Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[Ericb5]

Lol i told people days ago this whole "he'll be traded in the next 2 days" thing was bullcrap

it literally never works out like that.

It actually ALWAYS works out like that once they talk publicly about it, tell the player, and keep him out when he is healthy.

The fact that it has gone on so long after all that is pretty unprecedented, and it is making Colangelo look incompetent.

He can redeem himself if he pulls off good value, but the chips are starting to get cashed in.


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[Dominator83]

3 way based on the rumors:

Pels-
Trade: Asik, 2017 top 3 protected (unprotected in 2018 if pick doesn't convey)
Receives: Okafor, Henderson

Bulls-
Trade: Butler, Rondo
Receive: Noel, 2017 Pels top 3 protected (unprotected in 2018), Worse of Lakers/Sixers 2017 1st round picks (if Lakers pick isn't conveyed, Bulls receive 2018 Lakers unprotected), & 2018 swap option with 76ers

76ers-
Trade: Okafor, Noel, worse of 2017 Lakers or 76ers (or 2018 Lakers unprotected if Lakers pick isn't conveyed), Henderson
Receive: Butler, Asik, Rondo (waived)

Pels: Get out of Asik's contract and replace with Okafor on rookie contract. Get Henderson to help with making a playoff push and have ability to not pick up his team option if they're looking to save $ in off season.

Bulls: Cash in on Jimmy and starts rebuilding. Potentially get two lottery picks in this years draft or two unprotected picks next year. Plus get Noel and his matching rights to resign this off season.

76ers: Get Jimmy for our 2 bigs. Asik deal sucks but they use the light protection of the NO pick to incentivize Bulls to give us Jimmy. We'd also be paying Asik half of what would we would be paying Nerlens this coming off season.

Is this an actual rumor or just your fantasy take on them?

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

[76ersfan]

Hope Brian gets fair return. Until then I can't say bad or good about the deal and situation


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[HankTheTank]

Hope Brian gets fair return. Until then I can't say bad or good about the deal and situation


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People need to think about what a fair return for Okafor is. No way we're getting a lightly protected first plus a productive player straight up for him. Any first received would be in return for taking a horrible contract. I think Okafor's value is similar to what Turner's was when we we had a trade master desperately trying to trade him-- a 2nd Rd pick, maybe 2.

[hookshot199]

Hope Brian gets fair return. Until then I can't say bad or good about the deal and situation


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People need to think about what a fair return for Okafor is. No way we're getting a lightly protected first plus a productive player straight up for him. Any first received would be in return for taking a horrible contract. I think Okafor's value is similar to what Turner's was when we we had a trade master desperately trying to trade him-- a 2nd Rd pick, maybe 2.

Right round pick. Probably a better center prospect than any one in the draft this year, all projected 10-20. And no I haven't seen them all play. But it doesn't look like a very great crop.
Get real.

[kingofthecourt67]

Hope Brian gets fair return. Until then I can't say bad or good about the deal and situation


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People need to think about what a fair return for Okafor is. No way we're getting a lightly protected first plus a productive player straight up for him. Any first received would be in return for taking a horrible contract. I think Okafor's value is similar to what Turner's was when we we had a trade master desperately trying to trade him-- a 2nd Rd pick, maybe 2.

Turner had shown he was a mediocre for 3.5 years and was months away from FA. Jah has a season's worth of games under his belt and is under team control for 2.5 more years. Definitely worth more than a 2nd round pick.

[rzzzzz]

I think Okafor's value is similar to what Turner's was when we we had a trade master desperately trying to trade him-- a 2nd Rd pick, maybe 2.

major difference, though, is Sam had to get rid of Turner before he won us a couple more games. as it was, we never caught up with the Bucks, but we held off the Magic. ended up with #3 which was good enough. (otherwise, Turner was a decent rotation player, but we'd never have paid him $70 million.)

[phiphan]

If Bryan doesn't get a deal done he will not take the blame. Just prepare yourselves. He's cool with taking responsibility for a ping pong ball going in our favor last summer though.

[Benfitnyc]

3 way based on the rumors:

Pels-
Trade: Asik, 2017 top 3 protected (unprotected in 2018 if pick doesn't convey)
Receives: Okafor, Henderson

Bulls-
Trade: Butler, Rondo
Receive: Noel, 2017 Pels top 3 protected (unprotected in 2018), Worse of Lakers/Sixers 2017 1st round picks (if Lakers pick isn't conveyed, Bulls receive 2018 Lakers unprotected), & 2018 swap option with 76ers

76ers-
Trade: Okafor, Noel, worse of 2017 Lakers or 76ers (or 2018 Lakers unprotected if Lakers pick isn't conveyed), Henderson
Receive: Butler, Asik, Rondo (waived)

Pels: Get out of Asik's contract and replace with Okafor on rookie contract. Get Henderson to help with making a playoff push and have ability to not pick up his team option if they're looking to save $ in off season.

Bulls: Cash in on Jimmy and starts rebuilding. Potentially get two lottery picks in this years draft or two unprotected picks next year. Plus get Noel and his matching rights to resign this off season.

76ers: Get Jimmy for our 2 bigs. Asik deal sucks but they use the light protection of the NO pick to incentivize Bulls to give us Jimmy. We'd also be paying Asik half of what would we would be paying Nerlens this coming off season.

Is this an actual rumor or just your fantasy take on them?

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

Thanks. Took me about 20 mins to come up with it. Prob take BC about 3 years to do the same...

[spikeslovechild]

3 way based on the rumors:

Pels-
Trade: Asik, 2017 top 3 protected (unprotected in 2018 if pick doesn't convey)
Receives: Okafor, Henderson

Bulls-
Trade: Butler, Rondo
Receive: Noel, 2017 Pels top 3 protected (unprotected in 2018), Worse of Lakers/Sixers 2017 1st round picks (if Lakers pick isn't conveyed, Bulls receive 2018 Lakers unprotected), & 2018 swap option with 76ers

76ers-
Trade: Okafor, Noel, worse of 2017 Lakers or 76ers (or 2018 Lakers unprotected if Lakers pick isn't conveyed), Henderson
Receive: Butler, Asik, Rondo (waived)

Pels: Get out of Asik's contract and replace with Okafor on rookie contract. Get Henderson to help with making a playoff push and have ability to not pick up his team option if they're looking to save $ in off season.

Bulls: Cash in on Jimmy and starts rebuilding. Potentially get two lottery picks in this years draft or two unprotected picks next year. Plus get Noel and his matching rights to resign this off season.

76ers: Get Jimmy for our 2 bigs. Asik deal sucks but they use the light protection of the NO pick to incentivize Bulls to give us Jimmy. We'd also be paying Asik half of what would we would be paying Nerlens this coming off season.

Is this an actual rumor or just your fantasy take on them?

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

It really is a ridiculous overpay for butler.

[Ericb5]

If Bryan doesn't get a deal done he will not take the blame. Just prepare yourselves. He's cool with taking responsibility for a ping pong ball going in our favor last summer though.

He will be blamed for it even if he doesn't accept it. I'm wary of criticizing him on this until we see what happens, but he has not at a good last few days, and I don't understand talking about it, and then not doing it.

I read somewhere that the Bulls may be trying to get a second first round pick for an Okafor trade. If he can get two protected firsts(in different years most likely) out of it, then I will congratulate him.

If he takes Asik and a single protected first then I'll be very disappointed.


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[sixers hoops]

Is this an actual rumor or just your fantasy take on them?

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

It really is a ridiculous overpay for butler.

I feel like it's bad for NO. Giving up a likely 4-8 pick for Okafor and shedding Asik. Maybe the rationale is that Demps is dumb and might do it, but I wouldn't for NO.

[HotelVitale]

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

No, lord no. This is absolutely atrocious for NOP and there's zero chance they'd consider it (unless their GM is dumber than all of us). It's also worse than the Bulls would get on the open market for Butler who, in case everyone's still not noticing, has been a clear cut top 15 player this year in his prime. Gotta step outside the homer bubble if you're gonna brag about how much better your trade is than actual GM's trades are.

[spikeslovechild]

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

It really is a ridiculous overpay for butler.

I feel like it's bad for NO. Giving up a likely 4-8 pick for Okafor and shedding Asik. Maybe the rationale is that Demps is dumb and might do it, but I wouldn't for NO.

I think people are wildly underestimating just how bad Asik deal is. It's basically the same amount of money we ate in the Sac deal (actually a little more eyeballing it). Thats before even taking into account the value of Okafor.

So personally at the bare minimum I would want two first round picks in that deal with light protection. Whats really killer about Asik deal isn't the amount it's the length. FOUR years. Even without Okafor and straight up I don't do the deal. We can get a protected first easily for 10 million worth of capspace.

I'd rather take the flexibility and deal for someone like Ezeli on a year to year basis like Hinkie did. He took on bad deals but you rarely saw him take on those type of deals longer then one year.

[Samson]

As the ranking member of this board, please allow me to get this straight.....


*** WE GIVE UP NOT ONLY OKAFOR, BUT ALSO NOEL, *AND* ONE OF OUR [unprotected , I see? But regardless...] TWO POSSIBLE LOTTERY PICKS NEXT YEAR ***.


And we get back Jimmy Butler (who hey, I am all about getting , woohoo, Jimmy Butler. ... ) but we ALSO take back Asik & AND* the biggest current team-killer and locker-room wrecker in the NBA, Rondo. And we're supposed to "waive" Rondo and just eat Asik's contract.






I have been on this forum a long, long time. Please take my word for it when I say, in the old-school terms we used to use so dearly, this is the: Worst. Trade. Ever.







P.S.

Jimmy Butler? Oh yeah, I say we get the mothasucka. Okafor, Illyasova, Covington, and a future-first-round pick (like Sac's 2019 1st-rd owed to us?) for Jimmy Butler? Absolutely. And I think Chicago would be much more amenable to this than people would be willing to admit at first. They're having some of the most serious team chemistry, locker-room, and game on-court problems in the NBA right now, and *THEIR* big names are having the same stock problems we're having. So please don't give me the "Jimmy Butler is worth LeBron and Kevin Love or everyone on the Lakers & Celtics combined!!" nonsense.


But this trade? Okafor, AND Noel, AND a (potentially very high) lottery pick... for Butler, a terrible contract we have to eat and a bad contract we have to waive? C'mon now. We used to say 10 years+ ago on this forum, come correct or don't come at all.

[spikeslovechild]

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

No, lord no. This is absolutely atrocious for NOP and there's zero chance they'd consider it (unless their GM is dumber than all of us). It's also worse than the Bulls would get on the open market for Butler who, in case everyone's still not noticing, has been a clear cut top 15 player this year in his prime. Gotta step outside the homer bubble if you're gonna brag about how much better your trade is than actual GM's trades are.

It's not atrocious at all for NOP. One pick to get under from around under 35 million? And Okafor?

I wouldn't do that trade in a million years. Not only is it value but the NOP still have a real shot at the playoffs. That top 3 protection or whatever you put on it may not be any better then the other trade you declined earlier which had top ten protection.

No thanks. For some reason there is a rumor involving the Sixers and for some reason instead of demanding they improve their offer fans want to negotiate a worse offer. Why?

[HotelVitale]

All i know is this guy would make a better GM than all 3 of the real ones involved here. This is a good trade that savvy for all 3 teams. I doubt any of Gar/Demps/BC even have the creativity to think of anything close to this

No, lord no. This is absolutely atrocious for NOP and there's zero chance they'd consider it (unless their GM is dumber than all of us). It's also worse than the Bulls would get on the open market for Butler who, in case everyone's still not noticing, has been a clear cut top 15 player this year in his prime. Gotta step outside the homer bubble if you're gonna brag about how much better your trade is than actual GM's trades are.

It's not atrocious at all for NOP. One pick to get under from around under 35 million? And Okafor?

I'm not gonna bother arguing this. The Pells won't consider trading top-8 pick in a draft with a killer top 10 for Okafor. And dumping Asik's 3/35--which is about 10% of the cap, or what a $6-7m per year contract used to be two years ago--isn't enough sweetener. Go ask the trade board if you're doubting it.

EDIT: for real, fellas, after reading these last couple pages you all should do yourself a favor and read the trade board for a couple minutes. Your understanding of what Okafor, Jimmy Butler, various bad contracts, etc are worth is really really far off from the league consensus. It's a little embarrassing thinking about other teams' fans coming in here.

[spikeslovechild]

No, lord no. This is absolutely atrocious for NOP and there's zero chance they'd consider it (unless their GM is dumber than all of us). It's also worse than the Bulls would get on the open market for Butler who, in case everyone's still not noticing, has been a clear cut top 15 player this year in his prime. Gotta step outside the homer bubble if you're gonna brag about how much better your trade is than actual GM's trades are.

It's not atrocious at all for NOP. One pick to get under from around under 35 million? And Okafor?

I'm not gonna bother arguing this. The Pells won't consider trading top-8 pick in a draft with a killer top 10 for Okafor. And dumping Asik's 3/35--which is about 10% of the cap, or what a $6-7m per year contract used to be two years ago--isn't enough sweetener. Go ask the trade board if you're doubting it.

They are already talking about trading a top ten protected pick prior to including Asik. It's pure lunacy to think Asik gets you to only lower the protection on the pick when you don't even know if protection needs to be lowered.

I'd rather just take the original offer and their original offer wasn't that great.

EDIT: It isn't about groupthink. I don't care what someone values Okafor as or what they value our cap space as. Personally I value Okafor more but the NOP offer establishes a sort of baseline of his value. Previous deals establish the value of capspace.

Also regardless of what the percentage is it's real dollars you are asking your owner to eat on a sunk contract.

[mithrandir17]

Ajinca is playing today. So I guess the trade with NOP really did not push through.

[HankTheTank]

Hope Brian gets fair return. Until then I can't say bad or good about the deal and situation


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People need to think about what a fair return for Okafor is. No way we're getting a lightly protected first plus a productive player straight up for him. Any first received would be in return for taking a horrible contract. I think Okafor's value is similar to what Turner's was when we we had a trade master desperately trying to trade him-- a 2nd Rd pick, maybe 2.

Turner had shown he was a mediocre for 3.5 years and was months away from FA. Jah has a season's worth of games under his belt and is under team control for 2.5 more years. Definitely worth more than a 2nd round pick.

Hope you're right, but I don't see getting a 1st Rd without taking on a bad contract