2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

Post #521 » by **bondom34** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:51 am

I don't see Cam having no value. He's in his 2nd season. I know he's been a little rough but most young guys are not very good.

DoubleJ13 · Post #522 » by **DoubleJ13** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:22 am

Read on Twitter

Presti got everybody trying to figure out if he's zigging or zagging :lol:

spearsy23 · Post #523 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:24 am

DoubleJ13 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Presti got everybody trying to figure out if he's zigging or zagging

I kinda doubt he knows.

spearsy23 · Post #524 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:36 am

We're going to end up with Allen Crabbe, it makes way too much sense to not happen if Portland wants to cut salary. Crabbe + Leonard for Kanter or something of the sort.

Post #525 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:44 am

DoubleJ13 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Presti got everybody trying to figure out if he's zigging or zagging

What does that even mean?

Post #526 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:46 am

spearsy23 wrote:We're going to end up with Allen Crabbe, it makes way too much sense to not happen if Portland wants to cut salary. Crabbe + Leonard for Kanter or something of the sort.

I would rather stay put.

Post #527 » by **bondom34** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:50 am

Knrstz wrote:
DoubleJ13 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Presti got everybody trying to figure out if he's zigging or zagging

What does that even mean?

They don't know anything :lol:

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If you read the snippet it says they don't know if OKC will buy or sell because of playoff positioning. Which doesn't make sense because they'd have to win like 5 remaining games to drop out or go on a tear to make a difference.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #528 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:02 am

bondom34 wrote:If you read the snippet it says they don't know if OKC will buy or sell because of playoff positioning. Which doesn't make sense because they'd have to win like 5 remaining games to drop out or go on a tear to make a difference.

If you trade Russ and Dipo tomorrow they could end up in the lottery. I don't see that happening, but it is possible for them to "blow" their playoff position. It would just take a drastic change of direction that you think would have happened much earlier in the season if they were going to go into a rebuild at this point.

I think the reason there are reports of OKC as both buyers and sellers is because they are talking about such a wide range of players. Trading Dipo can be considered selling while offering Sabonis and Abrines could be called buying. It doesn't mean anything they are trying to work on is as clear cut as that.

Post #529 » by **bondom34** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:06 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
bondom34 wrote:If you read the snippet it says they don't know if OKC will buy or sell because of playoff positioning. Which doesn't make sense because they'd have to win like 5 remaining games to drop out or go on a tear to make a difference.

If you trade Russ and Dipo tomorrow they could end up in the lottery. I don't see that happening, but it is possible for them to "blow" their playoff position. It would just take a drastic change of direction that you think would have happened much earlier in the season if they were going to go into a rebuild at this point.

I think the reason there are reports of OKC as both buyers and sellers is because they are talking about such a wide range of players. Trading Dipo can be considered selling while offering Sabonis and Abrines could be called buying. It doesn't mean anything they are trying to work on is as clear cut as that.

True, I guess it would matter what you were trading them for. If you trade Dipo for another player of similar caliber, some may call it selling, but I still wouldn't.

Pillendreher · Post #530 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:19 am

spearsy23 wrote:We're going to end up with Allen Crabbe, it makes way too much sense to not happen if Portland wants to cut salary. Crabbe + Leonard for Kanter or something of the sort.

I sure as hell hope not. We can't trade a bad contract for the arguably most terrible contract in the league. We need shooting, but not at that price.

spearsy23 · Post #531 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:58 am

Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:We're going to end up with Allen Crabbe, it makes way too much sense to not happen if Portland wants to cut salary. Crabbe + Leonard for Kanter or something of the sort.

I sure as hell hope not. We can't trade a bad contract for the arguably most terrible contract in the league. We need shooting, but not at that price.

There's no argument to be made for either of those to be the worst contract in the league.

And I really don't know what people are expecting, we all agree our players mostly suck but then we turn up our noses at guys that would help us.

spearsy23 · Post #532 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:15 am

bondom34 wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
bondom34 wrote:If you read the snippet it says they don't know if OKC will buy or sell because of playoff positioning. Which doesn't make sense because they'd have to win like 5 remaining games to drop out or go on a tear to make a difference.

If you trade Russ and Dipo tomorrow they could end up in the lottery. I don't see that happening, but it is possible for them to "blow" their playoff position. It would just take a drastic change of direction that you think would have happened much earlier in the season if they were going to go into a rebuild at this point.

I think the reason there are reports of OKC as both buyers and sellers is because they are talking about such a wide range of players. Trading Dipo can be considered selling while offering Sabonis and Abrines could be called buying. It doesn't mean anything they are trying to work on is as clear cut as that.

True, I guess it would matter what you were trading them for. If you trade Dipo for another player of similar caliber, some may call it selling, but I still wouldn't.

who do we consider a player of similar caliber? One thing to remember is that we're one of the few teams that could still trade the poison pill since we have cap space. Vic + cap + singler is equivalent to Vic's outgoing.

Post #533 » by **bondom34** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:25 am

spearsy23 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Kizz Fastfists wrote:
If you trade Russ and Dipo tomorrow they could end up in the lottery. I don't see that happening, but it is possible for them to "blow" their playoff position. It would just take a drastic change of direction that you think would have happened much earlier in the season if they were going to go into a rebuild at this point.

I think the reason there are reports of OKC as both buyers and sellers is because they are talking about such a wide range of players. Trading Dipo can be considered selling while offering Sabonis and Abrines could be called buying. It doesn't mean anything they are trying to work on is as clear cut as that.

True, I guess it would matter what you were trading them for. If you trade Dipo for another player of similar caliber, some may call it selling, but I still wouldn't.
who do we consider a player of similar caliber? One thing to remember is that we're one of the few teams that could still trade the poison pill since we have cap space. Vic + cap + singler is equivalent to Vic's outgoing.

Not sure, I'd have to think more about it. But 2 guys I'm thinking of now:
Mirotic
Carroll (especially since Toronto's gonna want to pay Serge)

Crabbe I wouldn't like, and I think some guys on this team have value, but he's just not that good. Not worst contract (not even on his own team), but worse than Kanter's for sure

Pillendreher · Post #534 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:44 am

spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:We're going to end up with Allen Crabbe, it makes way too much sense to not happen if Portland wants to cut salary. Crabbe + Leonard for Kanter or something of the sort.

I sure as hell hope not. We can't trade a bad contract for the arguably most terrible contract in the league. We need shooting, but not at that price.

There's no argument to be made for either of those to be the worst contract in the league.

And I really don't know what people are expecting, we all agree our players mostly suck but then we turn up our noses at guys that would help us.

Both contracts have trade kickers, both players are heavily one sided. And Crabbe's contract is beyond terrible. That dude should get less than 10 million a year, not make close to 20.

I would like for us to get better, no tie up 20 million in a guy that does one thing (very) well and sucks at everything else. There's a reason his RPM is worse than Evan Turner's. He has the 2nd worst DRPM out 180 wings (SGs and SFs) this season.

If Portland were to shed that contract, there would have to be at least one 1st rounder included. No team is gonna take that without a big incentive.

Pillendreher · Post #535 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:47 am

Something of note since he was talked about on this board: TJ Warren's stats since coming back from injury do not look impressive. 45 FG% is decent, but those 21.3 % from are Robes level bad. His advanced stats for the season are worse than his first two seasons.

Post #536 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:04 pm

Pillendreher wrote:Something of note since he was talked about on this board: TJ Warren's stats since coming back from injury do not look impressive. 45 FG% is decent, but those 21.3 % from are Robes level bad. His advanced stats for the season are worse than his first two seasons.

Meaning we should pass or buy low?

Pillendreher · Post #537 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:21 pm

Knrstz wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Something of note since he was talked about on this board: TJ Warren's stats since coming back from injury do not look impressive. 45 FG% is decent, but those 21.3 % from are Robes level bad. His advanced stats for the season are worse than his first two seasons.

Meaning we should pass or buy low?

I don't know. What incentive has Phoenix to trade him? I don't see any. He's on a cheap deals, has shown flashes here or there. They're giving him regular minutes. I don't think they are willing to give up on him just yet.

If I were a GM, I would defintely try to buy low tho. He has career lows in PER, TS%, TRB%, WS/48, BPM, ORtG, eFG% and he's 65ft out of 80 SFs in RPM.

Phoenix won't just dump him tho. They have nothing to lose by keeping him and essentially nothing to gain by trading him either.

spearsy23 · Post #538 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:51 pm

I'm getting more and more certain every day that rpm is completely meaningless to people in the league. Just looking at trades that have happened you can tell gm's don't even take it into consideration.

spearsy23 · Post #539 » by **spearsy23** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:18 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
I sure as hell hope not. We can't trade a bad contract for the arguably most terrible contract in the league. We need shooting, but not at that price.

There's no argument to be made for either of those to be the worst contract in the league.

And I really don't know what people are expecting, we all agree our players mostly suck but then we turn up our noses at guys that would help us.

Both contracts have trade kickers, both players are heavily one sided. And Crabbe's contract is beyond terrible. That dude should get less than 10 million a year, not make close to 20.

I would like for us to get better, no tie up 20 million in a guy that does one thing (very) well and sucks at everything else. There's a reason his RPM is worse than Evan Turner's. He has the 2nd worst DRPM out 180 wings (SGs and SFs) this season.

If Portland were to shed that contract, there would have to be at least one 1st rounder included. No team is gonna take that without a big incentive.

That drpm is being killed by playing with lillard and cj. With Crabbe on and those two guys off Portland's drating is about 105, with at least one of those guys + Crabbe on it's above 115.

Pillendreher · Post #540 » by **Pillendreher** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:32 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:There's no argument to be made for either of those to be the worst contract in the league.

And I really don't know what people are expecting, we all agree our players mostly suck but then we turn up our noses at guys that would help us.

Both contracts have trade kickers, both players are heavily one sided. And Crabbe's contract is beyond terrible. That dude should get less than 10 million a year, not make close to 20.

I would like for us to get better, no tie up 20 million in a guy that does one thing (very) well and sucks at everything else. There's a reason his RPM is worse than Evan Turner's. He has the 2nd worst DRPM out 180 wings (SGs and SFs) this season.

If Portland were to shed that contract, there would have to be at least one 1st rounder included. No team is gonna take that without a big incentive.

That drpm is being killed by playing with lillard and cj. With Crabbe on and those two guys off Portland's drating is about 105, with at least one of those guys + Crabbe on it's above 115.

DRPM should take that onto consideration. It's not simple On/Off.