The (Quadruple) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 4.0)

[Green89]

Detroit might ask for Rozier to which Danny has to hang up the phone

Drummond >>>> Ibaka, though. I think Danny would do it

Depends on price.

Big problem with Drummond is that he can't be in game last 2 minutes. It's a problem.


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Brad always goes small to end games, anyway. When have you ever seen Zeller, Johnson, or KO out there for the final few possessions?

[chrisab123]

My criticism stands with Danny Ainge constantly overlooking the rebounding issue this team has. The lack of emphasis he puts on having a quality big man on the team to protect the paint

Must be why he's never had interest in Kevin Love then. Oh wait, he's a shooter which you take some sort of issue with even though it's a really helpful skill and a necessity in this era.

We're not a finished product and Ainge isn't going to spend real assets to add one-dimensional players. Ainge knew that rebounding would be an issue so it's not like he's got blind spots. We're good anyways and specialists would make us worse overall or cost too much. If we were trying to definitively win the title this year, that'd be a point to criticize, but Danny has the bigger picture in mind. Just sits wrong with me to criticize something and not offer actual players/scenarios that should have been pursued. Dedmon's maybe the only one I've got. We actually brought a rebounder in. Anyone want David Lee back?

David Lee is an awful example. Dude was out of shape the entire time here. I would take the David Lee version that played in Dallas last year though. Wouldn't you? I mean whats real assets to you? I'm talking about trading guys like Mickey and Young or maybe even yes Rozier for a big who isn't a FA this year. I was flamed earlier in the season to dare talk about trading Terry flipping Rozier for Nerlens Noel. Noel would have been the perfect complement to this team. A big that can protect the rim and is young and also has been known to get a rebound or two. I guess my issue is watching this team night in and night out and knowing that if they don't make 20 of their 30 3 point attempts they are screwed since we can't rebound worth a damn.

[BakersDozen]

Would anyond be opposed to getting Okafor if he came super cheap? Im talking like Jackson and a couple
Second rounders.


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[SmartWentCrazy]

Would anyond be opposed to getting Okafor if he came super cheap? Im talking like Jackson and a couple
Second rounders.


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If that's the cost, I think we'd definitely take the chance.

[chrisab123]

Would anyond be opposed to getting Okafor if he came super cheap? Im talking like Jackson and a couple
Second rounders.


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I'd deal Rozier for him. I personally don't think Rozier is trash but he honestly is what he is. He's a back of the rotation guard that we overrate because he plays for the C's. But I mean if you could get him for Jackson + Young + Mickey and a few 2nds then sure. But would Danny? I gather that he values James Young alone higher than Okafor.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Just listening to Simmons' podcast and he had Sean Grande on, some pretty interesting reveals in the conversation. I think many Celtics' fans are more concerned about defensive rebounding than Ainge and the Celtics are. It seems like everyone on here, for logical reasons, is looking for a big, but it sounds like as Danny has said a while ago he is looking for an off the bench scorer.

I don't think Ainge will go all in for a Whiteside, or any other premier big because Stevens doesn't value that position. The Celtics understand that defensive rebounding is an area of weakness, but they believe that they can work around it. It will be interesting to see what Ainge actually does.

So Ainge will trade for Doug McDermott.

[cl2117]

The thing for me about Okafor is that as a prospect does he hold a ton of value right now? No, most of that has dried up a long time ago.

But as a big off of the bench for just under $5m a year for the next two years who can score inside? I'd say that's definitely fairly valuable. I'd trade Rozier and 2nds for him no problem.

Yes part of it is just the shine that he's a former top pick, but a lot of people trash him saying he's going to be Big Al or Monroe, yet I think we'd happily take either of those guys at $5m to come off the bench for us. Both of those guys are making over double that.

[jfs1000d]

Drummond >>>> Ibaka, though. I think Danny would do it

Depends on price.

Big problem with Drummond is that he can't be in game last 2 minutes. It's a problem.


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Brad always goes small to end games, anyway. When have you ever seen Zeller, Johnson, or KO out there for the final few possessions?

Why would you trade a haul for Drummond and then have to sit him during crunch time? That is a problem.


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[klemen4]

I would trade Rozier and first for Okafor BUT...the problem is Okafor 2017 slaary is 5 mill and Rozier only 2 mill and whit this move we would lose max cap space for Hayward of Griffin.

Okafor in right situation can be great scoring 6th man big. Give fim the ball to go one on one when we need a basket. He would excell in this role in Boston imo.

[Writebloc]

Just listening to Simmons' podcast and he had Sean Grande on, some pretty interesting reveals in the conversation. I think many Celtics' fans are more concerned about defensive rebounding than Ainge and the Celtics are. It seems like everyone on here, for logical reasons, is looking for a big, but it sounds like as Danny has said a while ago he is looking for an off the bench scorer.

I don't think Ainge will go all in for a Whiteside, or any other premier big because Stevens doesn't value that position. The Celtics understand that defensive rebounding is an area of weakness, but they believe that they can work around it. It will be interesting to see what Ainge actually does.

So Ainge will trade for Doug McDermott.

A pair that I'd like would be a Tarik Black/Lou Willaims package...

[Green89]

Depends on price.

Big problem with Drummond is that he can't be in game last 2 minutes. It's a problem.


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Brad always goes small to end games, anyway. When have you ever seen Zeller, Johnson, or KO out there for the final few possessions?

Why would you trade a haul for Drummond and then have to sit him during crunch time? That is a problem.


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Unless it's an elite scoring big like Davis or Cousins, any other big we obtain probably won't be used by Brad in the final possessions either. He just loves going with 3 guards, especially on the offensive end.

[Celts17Pride]

Just listening to Simmons' podcast and he had Sean Grande on, some pretty interesting reveals in the conversation. I think many Celtics' fans are more concerned about defensive rebounding than Ainge and the Celtics are. It seems like everyone on here, for logical reasons, is looking for a big, but it sounds like as Danny has said a while ago he is looking for an off the bench scorer.

I don't think Ainge will go all in for a Whiteside, or any other premier big because Stevens doesn't value that position. The Celtics understand that defensive rebounding is an area of weakness, but they believe that they can work around it. It will be interesting to see what Ainge actually does.

So Ainge will trade for Doug McDermott.

I thought about that the other day but Jerebko actually shoots better

[darrendaye]

If they strike out on Hayward, Mo Speights would be a guy I'd look at to fill the role they need as bench scoring PF. Rebounds modestly well. Wouldn't trade for him, nor would Clippers likely make him available. But could be a worthwhile FA target if the contract length isn't cray cray.

[chrisab123]

If they strike out on Hayward, Mo Speights would be a guy I'd look at to fill the role they need as bench scoring PF. Rebounds modestly well. Wouldn't trade for him, nor would Clippers likely make him available. But could be a worthwhile FA target if the contract length isn't cray cray.

I agree with you. But he isn't fitting the model of what Ainge wants. Mo is not even a decent 3 point shooter.

[jeremym480]

If they strike out on Hayward, Mo Speights would be a guy I'd look at to fill the role they need as bench scoring PF. Rebounds modestly well. Wouldn't trade for him, nor would Clippers likely make him available. But could be a worthwhile FA target if the contract length isn't cray cray.

I agree with you. But he isn't fitting the model of what Ainge wants. Mo is not even a decent 3 point shooter.

Mo's a bad 3 point shooter? He's shooting over 40% from 3 this year. If there's any reason not to want him it's because he's horrible defensively.

[chrisab123]

If they strike out on Hayward, Mo Speights would be a guy I'd look at to fill the role they need as bench scoring PF. Rebounds modestly well. Wouldn't trade for him, nor would Clippers likely make him available. But could be a worthwhile FA target if the contract length isn't cray cray.

I agree with you. But he isn't fitting the model of what Ainge wants. Mo is not even a decent 3 point shooter.

Mo's a bad 3 point shooter? He's shooting over 40% from 3 this year. If there's any reason not to want him it's because he's horrible defensively.

In very limited time. But yeah he was a turnstile in GSW

[Gomes3PC]

Speights is a nice option if we can prove to him we're close enough to competing for a title. Clear at this point he's a bit of a David West ring-chaser type. Nothing bad with that at all, but just need to recognize he will likely prioritize having a real shot at title contention.

EDIT - also, can't believe he's only 29. Feels like he's 37

[CelticFaninLBC]

Just listening to Simmons' podcast and he had Sean Grande on, some pretty interesting reveals in the conversation. I think many Celtics' fans are more concerned about defensive rebounding than Ainge and the Celtics are. It seems like everyone on here, for logical reasons, is looking for a big, but it sounds like as Danny has said a while ago he is looking for an off the bench scorer.

I don't think Ainge will go all in for a Whiteside, or any other premier big because Stevens doesn't value that position. The Celtics understand that defensive rebounding is an area of weakness, but they believe that they can work around it. It will be interesting to see what Ainge actually does.

So Ainge will trade for Doug McDermott.

I thought about that the other day but Jerebko actually shoots better

Jerebko is shooting 35.1% from 3, while McDermott is shooting 38.5%, and can create his own offense. McDermott would be a defensive downgrade though.

Gibson and McDermott to Boston for Zeller, Rozier and a pick could be the big trade, with Okafor going to Chicago ... McDermott will make $1.3 million more than Rozier next year, so isn't a max cap space killer, and is a Jerebko replacement too.

[Curmudgeon]

If you are going to trade with Chicago, the player you want is Mirotic, not McDermott. Mirotic's numbers from beyond he arc are way down this year (as are his minutes) but he shot 39% from three point range last year. And Mirotic gets twice as many rebounds per 36 as McDermott.

[leper-con]

I like our foundation of guards and wing players. This is the league now and we are at the forefront of it.
I think if we add Fultz or Jackson, we can create a monster team.

I salivate at the thought of running a line-up of Brown, Crowder, and Jackson along with Smart and It on the floor at the same time.
A defensive monster with 3 point potential. 3 wins all around 6’7 “and above.
A run and gun athletic team .