2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[spearsy23]

Both contracts have trade kickers, both players are heavily one sided. And Crabbe's contract is beyond terrible. That dude should get less than 10 million a year, not make close to 20.

I would like for us to get better, no tie up 20 million in a guy that does one thing (very) well and sucks at everything else. There's a reason his RPM is worse than Evan Turner's. He has the 2nd worst DRPM out 180 wings (SGs and SFs) this season.

If Portland were to shed that contract, there would have to be at least one 1st rounder included. No team is gonna take that without a big incentive.

That drpm is being killed by playing with lillard and cj. With Crabbe on and those two guys off Portland's drating is about 105, with at least one of those guys + Crabbe on it's above 115.

DRPM should take that onto consideration. It's not simple On/Off.

It tries, but it just isn't possible when 95 percent of guys' minutes are being played together. Crabbe has played 1500 minutes this season and less than 100 of them are without those guys. He's spent 3 times that amount playing alongside both of them as the best perimeter defender on the court.

Also, as a reminder to everyone not specifically directed at you, RPM is entirely context dependent and has 0 predictive value. A guy being a bad defender on a horrible defensive team doesn't mean he can't be average when he has plus defenders to help him.
Edit: that's not to say I'm guaranteeing Crabbe could be a good defender in a different context. I haven't watched him near enough to have any feelings on the matter.

[Andre Roberstan]

Something of note since he was talked about on this board: TJ Warren's stats since coming back from injury do not look impressive. 45 FG% is decent, but those 21.3 % from are Robes level bad. His advanced stats for the season are worse than his first two seasons.

Meaning we should pass or buy low?

I don't know. What incentive has Phoenix to trade him? I don't see any. He's on a cheap deals, has shown flashes here or there. They're giving him regular minutes. I don't think they are willing to give up on him just yet.

If I were a GM, I would defintely try to buy low tho. He has career lows in PER, TS%, TRB%, WS/48, BPM, ORtG, eFG% and he's 65ft out of 80 SFs in RPM.

Phoenix won't just dump him tho. They have nothing to lose by keeping him and essentially nothing to gain by trading him either.

I would try to buy low, if it were me. But I'm a bit of a TJ stan.

[Pillendreher]

Both Chandler and Gallo didn't play last night.

Also I think Cam knows he's as good as gone. He's not this bad.

[ThunderBolt]

Both Chandler and Gallo didn't play last night.

Also I think Cam knows he's as good as gone. He's not this bad.

I don't know. I think Cam is pretty bad. If Presti can pull of getting one of those two Denver guys for Robes and Cam, I won't criticize him again this entire season.

[Osirus89]

Both Chandler and Gallo didn't play last night.

Also I think Cam knows he's as good as gone. He's not this bad.

Gallo had a groin injury. That might still be bothering him. Says Chandler has an illness. That sounds kinda flimsy but you never know. Payne has probably been uneasy since the Rudy gay rumors. He probably knows he's on borrowed time.

If I was a betting man, I would put a lot of money on Wilson Chandler being on the team post deadline. Gallo "might be", but I don't know if him potentially being a free agent would make presti balk. After the Knicks games, I actually wouldn't be opposed to Melo if all it took was kanter and filler. Don't think the Knicks would be interested since they already have hernangomez, Noah, and KP. Gallo would fill the same need and be a lot less asset intensive.

[ThunderBolt]

If we got Chandler for Roberson and Payne, I would consider that a success. I really don't know if Robes/Cam is the best offer Denver will get for Chandler. Also, when was the last time Presti actually made a trade that people were expecting?

[hardenASG13]

hope I'm wrong, but I can't see any other team that would value robes or cam at all. Cam is bad and has always been, he looks like a high schooler playing with college guys. Low IQ and weak as hell. Robes is perk 2.0 ( valued by okc, wouldn't play elsewhere since nobody plays wings who can't play offense or shoot). If they can get a rotational player for either or both of them they should in a heartbeat. Otherwise, dipo is fine, kanter obviously makes the team alot better and I don't see adams moving anywhere. They could improve internally by playing grant over roberson ( don't let any advanced stats or announcers fool you...his defense, while good, isn't that valuable as top tier guys splash shots in his, or any defenders face all day). Hopefully someone is willing to dump a backup pg or any shooter for those 2 or the other pieces. I'd be fine adding sabonis or abrines for an established vet since they only have 1 more year to develop or russ is gone anyway and then they don't matter at all.

[Balkman32]

I just don't see us dealing for Chandler who will be 30 in May. Dino stated he wanted to retire a Nugget. So as much as we would like to trade for him I don't think they are moving him since he is willing to resign with him.

But, a deal of Roberson, Morrow, and Payne for Gallo works. Gallo and Westbrook are the same age and they make sense together. But, Gallo is also an asses that is not controllable. If we dealt for him he would be an unrestricted FA at the end of the season.

I do think Denver has high interest in Roberson. He is a great defender that they can use.

[ThunderBolt]

hope I'm wrong, but I can't see any other team that would value robes or cam at all. Cam is bad and has always been, he looks like a high schooler playing with college guys. Low IQ and weak as hell. Robes is perk 2.0 ( valued by okc, wouldn't play elsewhere since nobody plays wings who can't play offense or shoot). If they can get a rotational player for either or both of them they should in a heartbeat. Otherwise, dipo is fine, kanter obviously makes the team alot better and I don't see adams moving anywhere. They could improve internally by playing grant over roberson ( don't let any advanced stats or announcers fool you...his defense, while good, isn't that valuable as top tier guys splash shots in his, or any defenders face all day). Hopefully someone is willing to dump a backup pg or any shooter for those 2 or the other pieces. I'd be fine adding sabonis or abrines for an established vet since they only have 1 more year to develop or russ is gone anyway and then they don't matter at all.

Presti says they have a plan for everything. I believe him when he says that. I don't think it necessarily means that all plans result in the same success. If I had the guess I think Presti prefers to hold on to Sabonis and Abrines in the event Russ leaves. Those two are only traded if he knows Russ plans to be here for the extended future.

[bondom34]

It's really not a time to worry about controllable or not. They need shooting. Desperately need shooting.

[hardenASG13]

hope I'm wrong, but I can't see any other team that would value robes or cam at all. Cam is bad and has always been, he looks like a high schooler playing with college guys. Low IQ and weak as hell. Robes is perk 2.0 ( valued by okc, wouldn't play elsewhere since nobody plays wings who can't play offense or shoot). If they can get a rotational player for either or both of them they should in a heartbeat. Otherwise, dipo is fine, kanter obviously makes the team alot better and I don't see adams moving anywhere. They could improve internally by playing grant over roberson ( don't let any advanced stats or announcers fool you...his defense, while good, isn't that valuable as top tier guys splash shots in his, or any defenders face all day). Hopefully someone is willing to dump a backup pg or any shooter for those 2 or the other pieces. I'd be fine adding sabonis or abrines for an established vet since they only have 1 more year to develop or russ is gone anyway and then they don't matter at all.

Presti says they have a plan for everything. I believe him when he says that. I don't think it necessarily means that all plans result in the same success. If I had the guess I think Presti prefers to hold on to Sabonis and Abrines in the event Russ leaves. Those two are only traded if he knows Russ plans to be here for the extended future.

I'm sure he has a plan, but I think the guys he values and now has a roster full of have him backed into a corner. If he holds on to those guys at the expense of bringing in help, I hope russ would bounce after next year....I don't see why he wouldn't he needs to win soon. Halving those 2 is not that bright of a future if russ is gone, although both should become solid to good rotation players. I don't think they need stars, but surrounding russ with solid vets who can shoot and are ok defensively, along with adams, dipo and Kanter would be awesome bc russ is really playing all time great bball and doesn't necessarily need all Stars. Competent nba players would make this team a threat to win some series.

[ThunderBolt]

hope I'm wrong, but I can't see any other team that would value robes or cam at all. Cam is bad and has always been, he looks like a high schooler playing with college guys. Low IQ and weak as hell. Robes is perk 2.0 ( valued by okc, wouldn't play elsewhere since nobody plays wings who can't play offense or shoot). If they can get a rotational player for either or both of them they should in a heartbeat. Otherwise, dipo is fine, kanter obviously makes the team alot better and I don't see adams moving anywhere. They could improve internally by playing grant over roberson ( don't let any advanced stats or announcers fool you...his defense, while good, isn't that valuable as top tier guys splash shots in his, or any defenders face all day). Hopefully someone is willing to dump a backup pg or any shooter for those 2 or the other pieces. I'd be fine adding sabonis or abrines for an established vet since they only have 1 more year to develop or russ is gone anyway and then they don't matter at all.

Presti says they have a plan for everything. I believe him when he says that. I don't think it necessarily means that all plans result in the same success. If I had the guess I think Presti prefers to hold on to Sabonis and Abrines in the event Russ leaves. Those two are only traded if he knows Russ plans to be here for the extended future.

I'm sure he has a plan, but I think the guys he values and now has a roster full of have him backed into a corner. If he holds on to those guys at the expense of bringing in help, I hope russ would bounce after next year....I don't see why he wouldn't he needs to win soon. Halving those 2 is not that bright of a future if russ is gone, although both should become solid to good rotation players. I don't think they need stars, but surrounding russ with solid vets who can shoot and are ok defensively, along with adams, dipo and Kanter would be awesome bc russ is really playing all time great bball and doesn't necessarily need all Stars. Competent nba players would make this team a threat to win some series.

I don't disagree. I'm just concerned that what needs to happen and what will happen, are not the same thing.

[Kizz Fastfists]

If we got Chandler for Roberson and Payne, I would consider that a success. I really don't know if Robes/Cam is the best offer Denver will get for Chandler. Also, when was the last time Presti actually made a trade that people were expecting?

That is a worst case scenario for the organization. Put yourself over the tax line next season for Chandler? Is OKC willing to pay the tax as a fringe playoff team? Do they give away Dipo, Kanter or Adams for pennies on the dollar to get back out of the tax? Is Chandler an upgrade to Roberson, Payne and Dipo?

Not that it really matters. They are going to have to go over the tax to keep the current roster together for next season. With $110M committed and Roberson looking at $10-12M/yr as a RFA the team is going to have less talent next year than it has this year if they don't go into the tax. OKC is in the worst position possible for a NBA organization. Too much committed salary, not enough talent and not enough assets to acquire the needed talent. They might as well be Brooklyn as far as contending over the next 3 years is concerned.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I don't disagree. I'm just concerned that what needs to happen and what will happen, are not the same thing.

I still have faith that Presti will do the right thing. He doesn't have to do anything now. He can wait until the draft to make the moves to pull the trigger on the needed moves.

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[Balkman32]

The plan is to build around Westbrook. W/ Adams, Oladipo and Sabonis as the Starters moving down the line we only have to fill the SF position. I believe Lauvergne and Grant are the backup front court and Abrines is the backup wing (either 3 or the 2). That leaves them needing a 1, 2, and/or 3.

I doubt anyone is taking Singler on. Morrow could be a nice piece for a playoff team. But, I kind of like him off our bench and if he is shooting 30% from 3 now he could end up shooting 50% moving forward. Both Huestis and Christon could be had for an asset.

Then we have the 3 bigger pieces that we can move Kanter (injured), Roberson, and Payne. I have no idea on these guys value. I think some teams could love these guys and others could hate them.

[bondom34]

The plan is to build around Westbrook. W/ Adams, Oladipo and Sabonis as the Starters moving down the line we only have to fill the SF position. I believe Lauvergne and Grant are the backup front court and Abrines is the backup wing (either 3 or the 2). That leaves them needing a 1, 2, and/or 3.

I doubt anyone is taking Singler on. Morrow could be a nice piece for a playoff team. But, I kind of like him off our bench and if he is shooting 30% from 3 now he could end up shooting 50% moving forward. Both Huestis and Christon could be had for an asset.

Then we have the 3 bigger pieces that we can move Kanter (injured), Roberson, and Payne. I have no idea on these guys value. I think some teams could love these guys and others could hate them.

There's next to no value in Robes, Cam might have marginal value. Kanter might have some value to a small number of teams. Unless you're trading Dipo or Adams, you're not really gonna get much.

If that's the case, I wouldn't blame Russ for getting fed up. And I'm one here who's generally very positive about this roster.

[ThunderBolt]

The plan is to build around Westbrook. W/ Adams, Oladipo and Sabonis as the Starters moving down the line we only have to fill the SF position. I believe Lauvergne and Grant are the backup front court and Abrines is the backup wing (either 3 or the 2). That leaves them needing a 1, 2, and/or 3.

I doubt anyone is taking Singler on. Morrow could be a nice piece for a playoff team. But, I kind of like him off our bench and if he is shooting 30% from 3 now he could end up shooting 50% moving forward. Both Huestis and Christon could be had for an asset.

Then we have the 3 bigger pieces that we can move Kanter (injured), Roberson, and Payne. I have no idea on these guys value. I think some teams could love these guys and others could hate them.

There's next to no value in Robes, Cam might have marginal value. Kanter might have some value to a small number of teams. Unless you're trading Dipo or Adams, you're not really gonna get much.

If that's the case, I wouldn't blame Russ for getting fed up. And I'm one here who's generally very positive about this roster.

If we get get a guy like Mccolum for Vic and Abrines I would like this roster a lot more.

[bondom34]

The plan is to build around Westbrook. W/ Adams, Oladipo and Sabonis as the Starters moving down the line we only have to fill the SF position. I believe Lauvergne and Grant are the backup front court and Abrines is the backup wing (either 3 or the 2). That leaves them needing a 1, 2, and/or 3.

I doubt anyone is taking Singler on. Morrow could be a nice piece for a playoff team. But, I kind of like him off our bench and if he is shooting 30% from 3 now he could end up shooting 50% moving forward. Both Huestis and Christon could be had for an asset.

Then we have the 3 bigger pieces that we can move Kanter (injured), Roberson, and Payne. I have no idea on these guys value. I think some teams could love these guys and others could hate them.

There's next to no value in Robes, Cam might have marginal value. Kanter might have some value to a small number of teams. Unless you're trading Dipo or Adams, you're not really gonna get much.

If that's the case, I wouldn't blame Russ for getting fed up. And I'm one here who's generally very positive about this roster.

If we get get a guy like Mccolum for Vic and Abrines I would like this roster a lot more.

I'll admit, I'm not as high on CJ as you. But he has some ability I like.

[Balkman32]

Roberson should be first team defense. He has to have some value to someone.


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