The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[Elrod is Back]

I think KOQ would be the perfect get for Danny. I'd trade Boston 2018 no. 1 and Jerebko. Maybe toss in a second rounder for 2019 or 2020 as well since the Knicks have traded away almost all their second rounders for the next 5 years.

or maybe Rozier, Mickey and the Minn 2017 no. 2, and a 2019 or 2020 no. 2.

[jeremym480]

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

I mentioned a 3-way deal between the deal between Boston, New York and the Clippers back when the Melo thing first came up.

I can't remember exactly, but it was something like:

BOS gets Redick, KOQ
LAC gets Melo
NY gets Austin Rivers. Wes Johnson, Zeller, and a non-Brooklyn 1st from Boston

I know most NY fans would probably hate it, but if Phil really wants to get rid of Melo (and Melo won't waive his NTC for more teams), then this is probably about the best they could hope for.

[NotALongIslandr]

Nah, you're not following me. I'm saying moving Melo is such a priority for Phil that he won't let KOQ go unless it's either as part of a Melo deal or subsequent to one.

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

For the right deal I could see it regardless because we have a bit of a glut at center. Obviously WHG is playing the most of our minutes, noah will be back eventually (and will play and his contract can't be traded right now). They even like Plumlee a little.

KOQ has had a very productive year and his value may never be as great because his contract is so enticing in terms of not just being a 1 year rental. He still only avg's 15 or so minutes a game for us. I think he would get a lot more productivity when he plays 20-25 and gets into a rhythm.

It just depends on what type of value he puts on KOQ.

[Celts17Pride]

Just for fun, how would people feel about a Celtics and Memphis trade of Rozier, Jerebko and a 2nd round pick for Tony Allen and Jarell Martin.

Would be fun watching Lebron and Kyrie trying to deal with IT, AB, Smart, TA, Crowder and Brown

[NotALongIslandr]

yeah, this i could see except i don't think anyone else is stupid enough to take AR on the contract Doc gave him

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

I mentioned a 3-way deal between the deal between Boston, New York and the Clippers back when the Melo thing first came up.

I can't remember exactly, but it was something like:

BOS gets Redick, KOQ
LAC gets Melo
NY gets Austin Rivers. Wes Johnson, Zeller, and a non-Brooklyn 1st from Boston

I know most NY fans would probably hate it, but if Phil really wants to get rid of Melo (and Melo won't waive his NTC for more teams), then this is probably about the best they could hope for.

[mpharris36]

Nah, you're not following me. I'm saying moving Melo is such a priority for Phil that he won't let KOQ go unless it's either as part of a Melo deal or subsequent to one.

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

For the right deal I could see it regardless because we have a bit of a glut at center. Obviously WHG is playing the most of our minutes, noah will be back eventually (and will play and his contract can't be traded right now). They even like Plumlee a little.

KOQ has had a very productive year and his value may never be as great because his contract is so enticing in terms of not just being a 1 year rental. He still only avg's 15 or so minutes a game for us. I think he would get a lot more productivity when he plays 20-25 and gets into a rhythm.

It just depends on what type of value he puts on KOQ.

I see, yeah I'm not sure what the plan is. It's probably why you haven't heard the likes of KOQ, Jennings, Rose, Lee...in any types of deals because a possible Melo deal could have so many moving parts your might need those players to finish a trade. So I think the first plan is to find a suitable melo trade then if we have anyone left over like KOQ we can always move them right at the deadline because he is a valuable piece.

[ddb]

Read on Twitter

Go get WCS, Danny!! Kings have come out and said they aren't trading Cousins. Cousins has come out and said he wants to stay in Sacto (blows my mind). Willie needs to go to a team that will value him more than Sacto. He isn't a long-term backup.

SOOOO

WCS to Boston for Terry Rozier/Jordan Mickey/Bos 2018 1st

Everyone is happy. Kings get a talented young PG & a 1st round pick along with taking a chance on Mickey.

Boston gets a young versatile defensive minded Center/RIM protector in WCS who I think would fit in nicely here.

Vlade probably wants Smart.

and Vlade probably also understands that he's not getting Marcus Smart. Pretty sure every general manager in the league would want a player like Marcus Smart on their team

[mpharris36]

yeah, this i could see except i don't think anyone else is stupid enough to take AR on the contract Doc gave him

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

I mentioned a 3-way deal between the deal between Boston, New York and the Clippers back when the Melo thing first came up.

I can't remember exactly, but it was something like:

BOS gets Redick, KOQ
LAC gets Melo
NY gets Austin Rivers. Wes Johnson, Zeller, and a non-Brooklyn 1st from Boston

I know most NY fans would probably hate it, but if Phil really wants to get rid of Melo (and Melo won't waive his NTC for more teams), then this is probably about the best they could hope for.

yeah see at that point I don't see anything happening because Phil isn't moving Melo for Rivers and a non lottery 1st. He may want to part with him but he has to save face value wise. Knicks are already losing with him. So its not like there are desperate. They may want to but I think teams have got to meet halfway in terms of what Phil really wants and what realistically he can get.

Also from BOS point of view you get a steal an a half. Redick and KOQ for Zeller (who has no value) and just 1 first.

It would be difficut to trade KOQ for Zeller and just one first (let alone getting Redick in a trade) and sending him over for free basically.

[ddb]

WillCS has been dunking well as of late. He's still raw, like a young Javale McGee, but not as stupid. He doesn't rebound and he has the athleticism to be a great defender but he doesn't have the focus yet.

I'd trade Rozier or a 1st for him in a heartbeat.

I know Danny loves Terry Rozier and thinks he can be a star, and he's probably right. Needs more seasoning but has the athleticism to be a disruptive offensive player.

That said I think when we've got so much guard depth and a high lotto pick, I don't think I'd have the self-control not to trade him for a center - Noel or Okafor or WCS.

exactly. I like Rozier too but how many good guards can 1 team have? At the end of the day you need to give up something to get something. Honestly, even though I like Rozier, I don't see him as a future star or fringe star. I just see him as a high energy backup PG that can be a good rotation players for many years. Nothing wrong with that....but I would rather have WCS.

[ddb]

WCS contract for 2017 is 3,7 mill, Roziers is 2 mill.

We can not take more salary in, than going out because we lose max cap space in 2017.

This trade only works in Brk pick is nb.3, because there is 1,6 million difference betwen 1st and 3rd pick, but we will not know that till loterry.
OR
Trade also works if we do not bring Zizic in 2017, because his slary will be 1,65 mill.

It would be a great move, actually for both teams, but...

Throw in a James Young for Ty Lawson swap (just cut Lawson) and it works I think.

Is it weird that I want to keep James Young around? I just have a vibe that he's going to end up being a good player. He's starting to show signs too. 21 years old guys.

[London2Boston]

Rozier needs to be traded soon. His value will be close to nothing once Fultz or Ball are drafted. It's our own Philly bigmen situation and Rozier will be Okafor.

[ddb]

Just for fun, how would people feel about a Celtics and Memphis trade of Rozier, Jerebko and a 2nd round pick for Tony Allen and Jarell Martin.

Would be fun watching Lebron and Kyrie trying to deal with IT, AB, Smart, TA, Crowder and Brown

I'm not sure why Memphis wants to do this deal?

[chrisab123]

Rozier needs to be traded soon. His value will be close to nothing once Fultz or Ball are drafted. It's our own Philly bigmen situation and Rozier will be Okafor.

I think Rozier for Okafor is the perfect deal. We get a big that can perhaps develop and Al can help out on the court. Maybe off court as well. Philly gets a PG.

[NotALongIslandr]

Truth. I just never got passed the part where AR goes to NYK in my previous post.

yeah, this i could see except i don't think anyone else is stupid enough to take AR on the contract Doc gave him

I mentioned a 3-way deal between the deal between Boston, New York and the Clippers back when the Melo thing first came up.

I can't remember exactly, but it was something like:

BOS gets Redick, KOQ
LAC gets Melo
NY gets Austin Rivers. Wes Johnson, Zeller, and a non-Brooklyn 1st from Boston

I know most NY fans would probably hate it, but if Phil really wants to get rid of Melo (and Melo won't waive his NTC for more teams), then this is probably about the best they could hope for.

yeah see at that point I don't see anything happening because Phil isn't moving Melo for Rivers and a non lottery 1st. He may want to part with him but he has to save face value wise. Knicks are already losing with him. So its not like there are desperate. They may want to but I think teams have got to meet halfway in terms of what Phil really wants and what realistically he can get.

Also from BOS point of view you get a steal an a half. Redick and KOQ for Zeller (who has no value) and just 1 first.

It would be difficut to trade KOQ for Zeller and just one first (let alone getting Redick in a trade) and sending him over for free basically.

[Celts17Pride]

Just for fun, how would people feel about a Celtics and Memphis trade of Rozier, Jerebko and a 2nd round pick for Tony Allen and Jarell Martin.

Would be fun watching Lebron and Kyrie trying to deal with IT, AB, Smart, TA, Crowder and Brown

I'm not sure why Memphis wants to do this deal?

Or the Celtics. Just dreaming of AB, TA, Smart, Crowder and Brown torturing Lebron and Kyrie.

[NotALongIslandr]

By the way. This board has really mellowed out since I was here last. No one's killing me for top-posting.

[Celts17Pride]

Rozier needs to be traded soon. His value will be close to nothing once Fultz or Ball are drafted. It's our own Philly bigmen situation and Rozier will be Okafor.

I think Rozier for Okafor is the perfect deal. We get a big that can perhaps develop and Al can help out on the court. Maybe off court as well. Philly gets a PG.

Okafor sucks! Okafor was like a puppy running hard for every KO pump fake last night. KO did it like 8 times and Okafor fell for it every time.

[jeremym480]

yeah see at that point I don't see anything happening because Phil isn't moving Melo for Rivers and a non lottery 1st. He may want to part with him but he has to save face value wise. Knicks are already losing with him. So its not like there are desperate. They may want to but I think teams have got to meet halfway in terms of what Phil really wants and what realistically he can get.

Also from BOS point of view you get a steal an a half. Redick and KOQ for Zeller (who has no value) and just 1 first.

It would be difficut to trade KOQ for Zeller and just one first (let alone getting Redick in a trade) and sending him over for free basically.

Yeah, I get that, but that's a classic Trader Danny trade.

Seriously, though if Phil really wants to get rid of Melo and Melo will only accept trades to either the Cavs, Clippers or Celtics, then Phil's hands are pretty much tied. It's not like you're going to get a good draft pick from Cleveland or the Clippers either. Well, assuming there isn't a third team involved anyway.

With that said, after the events of the last few weeks, I don't think that NY will trade Melo. Dolan and company have already pissed off a lot of fans and if they basically dump Melo for very little in return, then there would probably be riots in and around the Garden.

[chrisab123]

Rozier needs to be traded soon. His value will be close to nothing once Fultz or Ball are drafted. It's our own Philly bigmen situation and Rozier will be Okafor.

I think Rozier for Okafor is the perfect deal. We get a big that can perhaps develop and Al can help out on the court. Maybe off court as well. Philly gets a PG.

Okafor sucks! Okafor was like a puppy running hard for every KO pump fake last night. KO did it like 8 times and Okafor fell for it every time.

Rozier isn't much more than a rotation guard. The things Okafor struggles with can be fixed with playing time and good coaching. I'm no coach and could very well be wrong but when you combine the age with raw talent he's a workable project. Rozier I believe has a much lower ceiling. Another guy I would take for Rozier is WCS. Same deal but his issue is on the offensive end.

[sully00]

Nah. I live in NorCal and watch the Warriors regularly. They would dickslap us to Mars and back.

We are two top All-Stars away from being a true contender, and aren't even in the same universe as those guys.

If you are in this for other reasons other than contending, have at it.

See this is BS. The Warriors deconstructed are not what they are as a whole.

Steph Curry on the Sixers or the Magic looks like bad left overs. I love the Warriors because prior to this season they were a compilation of 2nd tier stars, Durant has changed that. But whether it is Curry, Thompson, of Green these guys would not be who they are now on a different roster or situation.

This isn't just the Warriors I think you can say the same thing about the Spurs.

Boston is doubling down on this idea and lets face it this is the way to do it.

The 2-team MVP looks like "bad left overs" on the Sixers or Magic?

The Warriors who won a title and then made the Finals with a 73-win team last year, but they were a compilation of "2nd tier stars"?

Just delete that one, man.

Absolutely. That is not insult it is just a fact. Steph Curry is considered an MVP because he puts up great numbers on a great team. He wasn't an MVP when he put up the same kind of numbers on a 45 win team and nobody would care if it was a 35 win team. I would say the same thing about Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli they would be considered great players on any team their post season success is what has separated them. Steve Nash is another great comparison to Steph Curry.

The Warriors were able to take this compilation of 2nd tier stars 7 or 8 players deep and added a smart coach who implemented a system that took it to another level. Guys who were the best players on their previous team were now going to be role players on the Warriors.

Trust me this isn't easy DAL who has a smart coach who has done it before can't put the right pieces together even though they keep trying.

I don't think IT is a significant better or more talented player than he was two years ago. His coach, role, the roster around him and how he is used is what has changed. Put him on the Sixers tomorrow he will still be a good player but he won't be somebody talked about as an MVP candidate.

Let me add put IT on the Warriors instead of Curry and the Warriors are still the hands down favorites to win the championship.