2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[ThunderBolt]

There's next to no value in Robes, Cam might have marginal value. Kanter might have some value to a small number of teams. Unless you're trading Dipo or Adams, you're not really gonna get much.

If that's the case, I wouldn't blame Russ for getting fed up. And I'm one here who's generally very positive about this roster.

If we get get a guy like Mccolum for Vic and Abrines I would like this roster a lot more.

I'll admit, I'm not as high on CJ as you. But he has some ability I like.

If we had a true second guy on this team, I think a lot of the other guys would look a lot better in their roles. Then we just hope someone develops and we get lucky. Otherwise we peak as a 3-5 seed in the west and hope something else happens.

[ThunderBolt]

If we got Chandler for Roberson and Payne, I would consider that a success. I really don't know if Robes/Cam is the best offer Denver will get for Chandler. Also, when was the last time Presti actually made a trade that people were expecting?

That is a worst case scenario for the organization. Put yourself over the tax line next season for Chandler? Is OKC willing to pay the tax as a fringe playoff team? Do they give away Dipo, Kanter or Adams for pennies on the dollar to get back out of the tax? Is Chandler an upgrade to Roberson, Payne and Dipo?

Not that it really matters. They are going to have to go over the tax to keep the current roster together for next season. With $110M committed and Roberson looking at $10-12M/yr as a RFA the team is going to have less talent next year than it has this year if they don't go into the tax. OKC is in the worst position possible for a NBA organization. Too much committed salary, not enough talent and not enough assets to acquire the needed talent. They might as well be Brooklyn as far as contending over the next 3 years is concerned.

Is there anyway possible to get Chandler this season and dump kanter too even if it's a separate deal? Chandler is cheaper than Kanter so that would save us some money. Then we have moved Andre and Payne for Chandler. If we dump Kanter will we avoid the luxury tax? If Vic is traded this offseason then we will have moved two of our 4 highest paid players and replaced them with Chandler who is on a reasonable deal. We might limp along the rest of this season but be setup to be more active this offseason.

[bondom34]

If we get get a guy like Mccolum for Vic and Abrines I would like this roster a lot more.

I'll admit, I'm not as high on CJ as you. But he has some ability I like.

If we had a true second guy on this team, I think a lot of the other guys would look a lot better in their roles. Then we just hope someone develops and we get lucky. Otherwise we peak as a 3-5 seed in the west and hope something else happens.

I don't think CJ is that much more a 2nd guy than Oladipo honestly.

[Pillendreher]

I'll admit, I'm not as high on CJ as you. But he has some ability I like.

If we had a true second guy on this team, I think a lot of the other guys would look a lot better in their roles. Then we just hope someone develops and we get lucky. Otherwise we peak as a 3-5 seed in the west and hope something else happens.

I don't think CJ is that much more a 2nd guy than Oladipo honestly.

McCollum with Lillard on the floor: 57.0 2P% / 44.1 3P% / 63.2 TS% / 1.31 PPP
McCollum with Lillard on the bench: 45.9 2P% / 34.5 3P% / 53.0 TS% / 1.04 PPP

Oladipo with Russ on the floor: 54.7 2P% / 34.5 3P% / 55.5 TS% / 1.17 PPP
Oladipo with Russ on the bench: 41.0 2P% / 38.6 3P% / 48. 7 TS% / 0.96 PPP

I think McCollum so far has shown he's more capable of holding his own while Dipo looks more like Waiters with Russ on the bench.

[Pillendreher]

If we got Chandler for Roberson and Payne, I would consider that a success. I really don't know if Robes/Cam is the best offer Denver will get for Chandler. Also, when was the last time Presti actually made a trade that people were expecting?

That is a worst case scenario for the organization. Put yourself over the tax line next season for Chandler? Is OKC willing to pay the tax as a fringe playoff team? Do they give away Dipo, Kanter or Adams for pennies on the dollar to get back out of the tax? Is Chandler an upgrade to Roberson, Payne and Dipo?

Not that it really matters. They are going to have to go over the tax to keep the current roster together for next season. With $110M committed and Roberson looking at $10-12M/yr as a RFA the team is going to have less talent next year than it has this year if they don't go into the tax. OKC is in the worst position possible for a NBA organization. Too much committed salary, not enough talent and not enough assets to acquire the needed talent. They might as well be Brooklyn as far as contending over the next 3 years is concerned.

I'm afraid I have to agree with this. Presti has to hit on every trade from here on out to really improve this team. No more jerking around.

[bondom34]

Might as well be Brooklyn is a bit of hyperbole.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Is there anyway possible to get Chandler this season and dump kanter too even if it's a separate deal? Chandler is cheaper than Kanter so that would save us some money. Then we have moved Andre and Payne for Chandler. If we dump Kanter will we avoid the luxury tax? If Vic is traded this offseason then we will have moved two of our 4 highest paid players and replaced them with Chandler who is on a reasonable deal. We might limp along the rest of this season but be setup to be more active this offseason.

Attractive to who? So you're giving up Dipo, Kanter, Payne and Roberson for Chandler and random player(s) that they can get to come to OKC for $15M? So you end up with a player Taj Gibson or Tyreke Evans. That is assuming you renounce the rights to Lauvergne and Morrow to be able have $15M. If you keep Morrow and Lauvergne you are only going to have the MLE. Dipo, Kanter, Payne and Roberson for Chandler and a MLE player or Dipo, Kanter, Payne, Roberson, Morrow and Lauvergne for Chandler and Gibson/Evans. That looks like a great way to run off Russ. Get rid of the talent that has OKC a fringe playoff team and replace them with less top end talent and no depth.

[spearsy23]

Talent isn't always as important as fit.

[Osirus89]

If we get get a guy like Mccolum for Vic and Abrines I would like this roster a lot more.

I'll admit, I'm not as high on CJ as you. But he has some ability I like.

If we had a true second guy on this team, I think a lot of the other guys would look a lot better in their roles. Then we just hope someone develops and we get lucky. Otherwise we peak as a 3-5 seed in the west and hope something else happens.

This I 100% agree with. However, I think that other option needs to be a wing. Swapping CJ and Victor is kinda shuffling chairs. Cj is a more consistent scorer, but there would still be the wing hole and Kanter would still be the third scoring option.

Is there anyway possible to get Chandler this season and dump kanter too even if it's a separate deal? Chandler is cheaper than Kanter so that would save us some money. Then we have moved Andre and Payne for Chandler. If we dump Kanter will we avoid the luxury tax? If Vic is traded this offseason then we will have moved two of our 4 highest paid players and replaced them with Chandler who is on a reasonable deal. We might limp along the rest of this season but be setup to be more active this offseason.

If you are losing Victor, Kanter, Andre to make future room for a free agent, you would have to have a binding agreement in place, which you are unable to reach because of tampering rules. Also as noted, Russ wouldn't appreciate losing so much of the teams core on a gamble. If it doesn't work out, you are most assuredly going to see Russ leave.

[ThunderBolt]

Tim Hardaway Jr will be a restricted free agent. I'm reading that Atlanta probably won't be able to keep him. Is this the kind of guy Presti would target if we got rid of enough cap space?

[Kizz Fastfists]

Tim Hardaway Jr will be a restricted free agent. I'm reading that Atlanta probably won't be able to keep him. Is this the kind of guy Presti would target if we got rid of enough cap space?

You're going to clear max cap space and then offer it to Hardaway Jr in hopes that Atlanta doesn't match? Even after Atlanta gives Millsap his max they can still give Hardaway the max without worrying about hitting the tax line. The only way they let Hardaway go is if they lose Millsap and trade Howard to go into a complete rebuild around Schroder.

[spearsy23]

Tim Hardaway Jr will be a restricted free agent. I'm reading that Atlanta probably won't be able to keep him. Is this the kind of guy Presti would target if we got rid of enough cap space?

You're going to clear max cap space and then offer it to Hardaway Jr in hopes that Atlanta doesn't match? Even after Atlanta gives Millsap his max they can still give Hardaway the max without worrying about hitting the tax line. The only way they let Hardaway go is if they lose Millsap and trade Howard to go into a complete rebuild around Schroder.

... is everyone getting the max in this universe?

[Kizz Fastfists]

... is everyone getting the max in this universe?

It is common for solid, but not great, RFAs to get a max offer to force their team to overpay to retain their services or lose them without the ability to replace them. Kanter and Crabbe come to mind off-hand. If we want to throw in overpaid FAs we can include Chandler Parsons, Harrison Barnes, Mozgov got near the max, etc. Brooklyn will once again have the money to make stupid offers like they did with Crabbe and teams will be forced to match and overpay or take a big step back. If the teams think they are close like Portland did last off-season they will pay. Atlanta thinks they are closer to a contender than they are so if they can keep Millsap they'll match a max on Hardaway. Hardaway should only get around $15M/yr, but his agent will leverage his RFA status to get him more.

[spearsy23]

... is everyone getting the max in this universe?

It is common for solid, but not great, RFAs to get a max offer to force their team to overpay to retain their services or lose them without the ability to replace them. Kanter and Crabbe come to mind off-hand. If we want to throw in overpaid FAs we can include Chandler Parsons, Harrison Barnes, Mozgov got near the max, etc. Brooklyn will once again have the money to make stupid offers like they did with Crabbe and teams will be forced to match and overpay or take a big step back. If the teams think they are close like Portland did last off-season they will pay. Atlanta thinks they are closer to a contender than they are so if they can keep Millsap they'll match a max on Hardaway. Hardaway should only get around $15M/yr, but his agent will leverage his RFA status to get him more.

Crabbe is well below max, as are mozgov and Parsons.

[hardenASG13]

Roberson should be first team defense. He has to have some value to someone.


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Can you name a comparable player (that goes unguarded, can't shoot and hits 30%from the line) who is in the rotation or even on the roster for another playoff team....or I guess any team for that matter? I'm not talking about bad shooters, who take nba looks, but really bad ones like robes, who gets robes looks (what other guys consistently get the looks he gets?!) And he still can't hit them, or often times even come close! When he is willing to shoot the ball, it's like he just flings it really high towards the basket and hopes for the best.

[spearsy23]

Roberson should be first team defense. He has to have some value to someone.


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Can you name a comparable player (that goes unguarded, can't shoot and hits 30%from the line) who is in the rotation or even on the roster for another playoff team....or I guess any team for that matter? I'm not talking about bad shooters, who take nba looks, but really bad ones like robes, who gets robes looks (what other guys consistently get the looks he gets?!) And he still can't hit them, or often times even come close! When he is willing to shoot the ball, it's like he just flings it really high towards the basket and hopes for the best.

Tony Allen and luc mbah a moute.

[Osirus89]

Tony Allen and luc mbah a moute.

MKG should qualify as well. He shoots free throws better than Andre but his 3pt percentage is ....WOW. 12.5% on the year. He makes Andre look like a decent shooter in comparison. I think Andre will get somewhere in the 12 mill per year range. He will take a discount just like everyone else.

I can't make heads or tails of what will happen this trade deadline because Presti is so cryptic. However, if Domantas or Alex are traded, I will be shocked. Forget shocked, I will eat a shoe. I'm almost certain the 3 main guys are morrow, cam, and Andre. The acquired player will probably be one player in the 10-12 million dollar range or a few cheap guys.

Like this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693030-free-trade-nba-deals-that-could-jolt-the-playoff-race

Kudos to the author of that article. They know Presti as well as he knows himself.

[spearsy23]

Honestly my three untouchables [ not counting nick] would be Russ/Steven/Alex trading Alex just doesn't make sense when he's the only guy on the team that fills our biggest need. Of course I'd also be actually playing him...

[spearsy23]

Tony Allen and luc mbah a moute.

MKG should qualify as well. He shoots free throws better than Andre but his 3pt percentage is ....WOW. 12.5% on the year. He makes Andre look like a decent shooter in comparison. I think Andre will get somewhere in the 12 mill per year range. He will take a discount just like everyone else.

I can't make heads or tails of what will happen this trade deadline because Presti is so cryptic. However, if Domantas or Alex are traded, I will be shocked. Forget shocked, I will eat a shoe. I'm almost certain the 3 main guys are morrow, cam, and Andre. The acquired player will probably be one player in the 10-12 million dollar range or a few cheap guys.

Like this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693030-free-trade-nba-deals-that-could-jolt-the-playoff-race

Kudos to the author of that article. They know Presti as well as he knows himself.

If we pulled that deal off I'd be ecstatic. I think he's way overvaluing cam but somebody get vlade on the phone. A bench of collison/mclemore/abrines/grant/Kanter goes from one of the worst in the league to top ten IMO.

[Pillendreher]

Tony Allen and luc mbah a moute.

MKG should qualify as well. He shoots free throws better than Andre but his 3pt percentage is ....WOW. 12.5% on the year. He makes Andre look like a decent shooter in comparison. I think Andre will get somewhere in the 12 mill per year range. He will take a discount just like everyone else.

I can't make heads or tails of what will happen this trade deadline because Presti is so cryptic. However, if Domantas or Alex are traded, I will be shocked. Forget shocked, I will eat a shoe. I'm almost certain the 3 main guys are morrow, cam, and Andre. The acquired player will probably be one player in the 10-12 million dollar range or a few cheap guys.

Like this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2693030-free-trade-nba-deals-that-could-jolt-the-playoff-race

Kudos to the author of that article. They know Presti as well as he knows himself.

If we pulled that deal off I'd be ecstatic. I think he's way overvaluing cam but somebody get vlade on the phone. A bench of collison/mclemore/abrines/grant/Kanter goes from one of the worst in the league to top ten IMO.

Mclemore has bust written all over him. But other than that, that should be considered an upgrade.