The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[NotALongIslandr]

Assuming Wyc fires DA for any basketball related reason? "Absolute stupidity."
Comparing trading for TC now to trading Pierce/Garnett to the Nets for multiple #1s? "literally" "absolute stupidity"
Comparing Bogut to TC because they happen to both be bigs? "literally" "just like" "absolute stupidity"

Repeatedly relying on hyperbole is a leading indicator of lack of contact with reality.

Yes. Yes you are taking crazy pills.

[Celts17Pride]

When's the deadline? Not that I expect any trade to go down for the Cs.

February 23rd at 3:00 pm EST

[NotALongIslandr]

“I don’t think our core group has been together for many games at all this year. I’m looking forward to that after the All-Star break. We’re going to get Avery Bradley and Jaylen Brown back; it’ll take a few games to get acclimated, I think, but after that, the rest of March and April if we can remain healthy, you’ll see what the potential of this team is.”

Danny Ainge. Yesterday.

http://nesn.com/2017/02/danny-ainge-hints-at-celtics-trade-deadline-plan-not-seeking-rent-a-player/

Yep they're doing nothing. Its like we are watching a different sport right now. Just watched the Celtics lose a game where they were out rebounded by almost 30 to a team they might face in the 1st round. Yes I know the call was suspect but you can't expect to win games where you're getting killed on the glass that bad just because its gone your way most of the year. That is called luck. It runs out eventually.

Getting AB and (rookie) Jaylen Brown back is not gonna suddenly solve the problems on the glass. And if Marcus Smart can't get a no-call while wiping a bead of sweat off the elbow of Jimmy Butler in Chicago at the end of a regular season game, don't expect Brown to be getting *any* meaningful calls while crashing the boards in the playoffs, on the road or at home. That's just life in the NBA and anyone who doesn't realize it hasn't been paying attention.

[TheOGJabroni]

I'm really so torn on ideas.

Option A:
If we go after Hayward, for one, we could just miss and not sign him. There's always that strong possibility. If we do get lucky enough to acquire him, we do get to keep our BK 17 pick but will have to let Olynyk walk, and really thin out the rest of our roster. It's at least something to consider.

Option B:
If we go after Butler, I personally feel he's a better player and looks like a Celtic. But of course, we may have to give up valuable assets; BK picks, core players, etc. But we could keep Olynyk and follow up with another trade to solidify our big men and not worry about free agency whatsoever.

I lean towards Option B IF we can acquire Butler (or whoever for that matter) on a fair deal. If we can't do that, then I'd go to Option A. If Option A doesn't pan out, we could still look to acquire Butler in the offseason and feel out the trade market then for a big once we've signed all our own free agents.

Either way, interesting times ahead and I'm certainly glad it's Danny pulling the strings.

[CelticFaninLBC]

My two cents which is 100% speculation.

Danny Ainge was on the radio yesterday and said the following:

A. Celtics looking for Improved Rim Protection (i.e. a Center)
B. Celtics looking for Improved Rebounding
C. Celtics greatest strength is big men that can shoot to leave space in the middle for IT.
D. No Band-Aids (i.e. No one entering free agency)
E. A player that can grow with the team (young player)
F. A player that will be around a while (i.e. good contract)

The Celtics greatest trade partner would be a rebuilding team because of all of the Celtics draft picks, young players and lack of stars on the Celtics roster.

Taking into account all of the above I still believe Nikola Vucevic is probably a main target for the Celtics. Orlando has already come out and said they are rebuilding. Vucevic has 2 years at $12 million per year left on his deal.

I'm guessing Orlando wants either Smart or Brown right now but closer to the deadline my settle for some combination of Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Young, Yabusele and draft picks.

Again just speculation but it just makes sense to me given what Ainge said yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Vucevic name again in rumors close to the deadline.

My two cents.

Vucevic does check the box on all of those. Ok rim protector, great rebounder, can shoot from 3, but not at an efficient rate yet, and decent contract.

I can see Ainge offering Zeller, Zizic and Rozier... They would lose max cap space, and would need to move 2 of AB, Crowder and Smart to get back max space though...

[Nick33]

Hi Everyone, longtime reader first time poster.
I was thinking about a trade more towards the end of the roster that may pay dividends this year without handicapping future flexibility. I will say i am a huge fan of Robert Covington so the trade is essentially:

Tyler Zeller/J Young/and Terry Rozier for R.Holmes/Gerald Henderson/Robert Covington.

Apologies if i am not posting the link correctly but it works in trade checker per below.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h8atrfd[/url]

Holmes gives us a good big man to develop who is a good rebounder.
Huge fan of covington who is an underrated wing player and good 3 point shooter.
Gerald Henderson has a team option for next year so we can use him this year with no commitments beyond.
Should we decide to trade Avery Bradley at some point, we can pick up Henderson's option for 1 more year at 9million.
Philly gets a young guard to develop, as well as getting an extended look at James young.

Wondering what people's thoughts are and if it works from Philly's perspective.

[sportscrazy]

If in the off-season, the only star player available in trades were Paul George and all of the top tier free agents re-signed with their current teams and the only options for Boston were...

1. If it came down to signing (and probably having to overpay for) middle tier free agents such as Danilo Gallinari or Greg Monroe, but keeping Jaylen Brown, an already drafted Markelle Fultz and the 2018 Nets pick

OR

2. Trading for Paul George, but trading Jaylen Brown, the draft rights to Markelle Fultz AND the 2018 Nets Pick in the process.

Without changing the scenario, if those were the two best options, which would the Celtics prefer?

[NotALongIslandr]

#1. Without a doubt.

[reload141]

If in the off-season, the only star player available in trades were Paul George and all of the top tier free agents re-signed with their current teams and the only options for Boston were...

1. If it came down to signing (and probably having to overpay for) middle tier free agents such as Danilo Gallinari or Greg Monroe, but keeping Jaylen Brown, an already drafted Markelle Fultz and the 2018 Nets pick

OR

2. Trading for Paul George, but trading Jaylen Brown, the draft rights to Markelle Fultz AND the 2018 Nets Pick in the process.

Without changing the scenario, if those were the two best options, which would the Celtics prefer?

Well option 2 is a clear overpay. So option 1.

[TheOGJabroni]

If we stay put at the deadline, I'm wondering if there's a way that we draft our (hopefully) #1 pick for another team, Kings for example, then sign Hayward. After that, then trade our draft selection, Bradley & potentially more picks for Cousins. Is that feasible in the CBA?

Leaves us with:

Thomas / Smart / Jackson
Hayward / Rozier
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Mickey
Cousins / Zizic

Then fill in with free agents that are looking for championships.

[BakersDozen]

Isnt Chandler making roughly the same as Amir? The guy averages over 11 rebounds. Offer them an expiring and the clippers pick. See if they bite.


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[sportscrazy]

Okay, I'm just trying to get feedback for my mock off-season and want to make sure which direction the Celtics would go.

[FlatearthZorro]

Isnt Chandler making roughly the same as Amir? The guy averages over 11 rebounds. Offer them an expiring and the clippers pick. See if they bite.


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They will. For sure. Tyson is 34. I don't think Danny is going that way tho. I really want a healthy Bogut. A 1st for him is just too damn much. Would love to have him around tho. He's averaging 8 boards a game for Dallas.

[Homerclease]

Over reaction city coming off a loss due to a questionable call on the second night of a back to back after playing 6 games in 9 nights including a 4 game west coast trip. This team is 17 games over .500 and currently the 2 seed while missing Bradley and Brown. They aren't a one and done team in the post season and they have a very real chance to land a quality free agent. Back off the ledge people

[reload141]

Over reaction city coming off a loss due to a questionable call on the second night of a back to back after playing 6 games in 9 nights including a 4 game west coast trip. This team is 17 games over .500 and currently the 2 seed while missing Bradley and Brown. They aren't a one and done team in the post season and they have a very real chance to land a quality free agent. Back off the ledge people

Stop making so much sense.

[Captain_Caveman]

This just proves that one, you're a fraud and two you don't know jack about two sports!

Curry is Tom Brady? Curry is equal to the GOAT? You've been in NorCal too long. Curry has a long time to go and a hell of a lot more to prove before he gets close to Brady status. Let me help you out on that one Brady is analogous to MJ there is no other comparison. To top it all off the greatest players in their respective sports never won the title every year neither did either of the big 3. This hypercompetitiveness that you mention is bogus and a cover up because you can't face the fact that you are wrong and been wrong for a long time. You're better than this Cave, I light a candle for you.

zzzzzz

This is the response you get when your so wrong you can't even find words. Curry is equal to Brady, dude get a hold on yourself. Brady just willed the Pats back when they were down 28-3, he didn't wilt in the moment like Curry did when the Warriors were up 3-1. Stick to the Warriors' board, front runners seem to be more your speed.

I thought you were an English teacher? The quote was IT is to Dalton as Curry is to Brady, and you understood it fine.

I do suppose that last year's Warriors were akin to Brady going 18-1, but I feel like both guys are proven enough not to worry about that.

Not a Ws fan, btw. Was a Celts fan before you and will be after you, Mr. Joined The Board Two Years Ago.

[Banks2Pierce]

I'd be very surprised if we acquired Vooch. Team is scared to add even tiny money to 2018 books and then are going to add $12m on a Center with Zizic coming over and a further $85m to pay Horford? I don't think as many teams will have cap space this summer and it could be hard to move him for nothing. Any injury and you have to include 1sts to move him and the front office doesn't mess with flexibility until they're all in on a championship. Not to mention one or two of those same picks would be needed to acquire him in the first place.

Can't even believe it's February and I'm still seeing Chandler's name kicked around.

Screw this All Star Weekend. Usually a desert for rumors from the real people.

[fallguy]

I'd be very surprised if we acquired Vooch. Team is scared to add even tiny money to 2018 books and then are going to add $12m on a Center with Zizic coming over and a further $85m to pay Horford? I don't think as many teams will have cap space this summer and it could be hard to move him for nothing. Any injury and you have to include 1sts to move him and the front office doesn't mess with flexibility until they're all in on a championship. Not to mention one or two of those same picks would be needed to acquire him in the first place.

Can't even believe it's February and I'm still seeing Chandler's name kicked around.

Screw this All Star Weekend. Usually a desert for rumors from the real people.

I agree with almost everything you wrote here.

People who think Chandler is legitimately being considered on Causeway Street are nuts.

[BakersDozen]

Over reaction city coming off a loss due to a questionable call on the second night of a back to back after playing 6 games in 9 nights including a 4 game west coast trip. This team is 17 games over .500 and currently the 2 seed while missing Bradley and Brown. They aren't a one and done team in the post season and they have a very real chance to land a quality free agent. Back off the ledge people

Over reacting over a loss? Probably... But the rebounding issue is not a over reaction. On a sidenote got my work schedule for next week and Wednesday/thursday off. Very good.


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[Homerclease]

Over reaction city coming off a loss due to a questionable call on the second night of a back to back after playing 6 games in 9 nights including a 4 game west coast trip. This team is 17 games over .500 and currently the 2 seed while missing Bradley and Brown. They aren't a one and done team in the post season and they have a very real chance to land a quality free agent. Back off the ledge people

Over reacting over a loss? Probably... But the rebounding issue is not a over reaction. On a sidenote got my work schedule for next week and Wednesday/thursday off. Very good.


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Yep rebounding is a problem. They still somehow are one of the 5 best teams in the association despite it. Every team you come across has a weakness. Those bulls you saw last night are our first round matchup, do you really think they can beat the Celtics in a 7 game series?