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Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1341 » by J-Ves » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:06 pm

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J-Ves wrote:I wouldn't want to take the risk as he is over 30 and has never been a good defender. I think I prefer Nicholson's smaller cap number even if he is useless to us.


If nothing else the idea provides a rare opportunity to say "nah, better to stick with Nicholson."

I'd be on the fence with it myself.

It is an interesting idea, a buy low move on a player who could help the team if he reverted back to his former production. I've always been a risk averse person so I generally weigh the downside of a move greater than the upside, which is almost certainly not the way a NBA GM should think.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1342 » by doclinkin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:34 pm

Dark Faze wrote:we could use a big trade to help us for the post break schedule, opening salvo is pretty brutal:

vs Jazz
vs Warriors
@ Raps
vs Raps

Chills out considerably after that, but if we can get through that stretch at .500 or better it would be awesome for momentum


The games against the Raptors are real measuring stick, meaning more than a close game or even a win against the W's. Jazz I could see as a loss out the gate, they've got size/mobility/rebounding in the paint that clogs off John's attack and neutralizes Gortat, reduces us to a jump shooting team. We shoot well from outside mostly when John collapses the defense and kicks to open shooters. We're not as strong when tightly guarded face up.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1343 » by europeanfan » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:44 pm

I really like the Deron Williams idea, think you have to trade for him tho, dont think they'll buy him out, he's still productive.

He's taller and more well rounded than Lou Williams, much easier to play him at the 2 to rest Beal, only question is ego. Would he accept a reduced role, would he accept to play off the ball next to JW.

Also tend to be injured a lot.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1344 » by Jay81 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:50 pm

why is Oubre untradable again? According to Kevin Broom...his PPA is 40...similar to Marcus thornton and Burke lol
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1345 » by NatP4 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:56 pm

Jay81 wrote:why is Oubre untradable again? According to Kevin Broom...his PPA is 40...similar to Marcus thornton and Burke lol



One of these players is 30, the other is a raw 21 year old.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1346 » by J-Ves » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:58 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h5qe8a7
The Wizards also give up their 2017 first.

Wizards get out of their bad contracts and get two players that fix the bench problem.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1347 » by NatP4 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:13 pm

no no no no no, we are not trading Kelly Oubre for reggie F'ing Jackson. this deadline needs to hurry up and end so people can stop. This is the same stuff that people were saying about Otto Brad and Keef not too long ago. Develop talent, do not trade it for stopgap role players.

Hopefully people remember all the things they are saying about Oubre and Satoransky for whenever they break out.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1348 » by Meliorus » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:25 pm

Jackson is one of those players whose team is better when he's not on the court. So, he's a bad player. With a bad attitude.

What I'm trying to say is we should definitely trade for him.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1349 » by Rafael122 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:27 pm

I wonder if its possible to make a move say tomorrow for Lou Williams, bring him in next week and just start working on the playbook. When you think about it, the timing on the Ibaka trade makes sense. He missed a game but by the time he officially debuts he would have had a week and a half to pick up the playbook or as much as he can.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1350 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:12 pm

NatP4 wrote:no no no no no, we are not trading Kelly Oubre for reggie F'ing Jackson. this deadline needs to hurry up and end so people can stop. This is the same stuff that people were saying about Otto Brad and Keef not too long ago. Develop talent, do not trade it for stopgap role players.

Hopefully people remember all the things they are saying about Oubre and Satoransky for whenever they break out.


I don't think Oubre should be untouchable and in a vacuum, I think the return on trade suggestion is pretty good. I just don't think Jackson is a fit skill or personality wise with our roster. If Jackson was routed to a third team and we got something decent in return I'd think hard about it.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1351 » by Illmatic12 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:17 pm

doclinkin wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:we could use a big trade to help us for the post break schedule, opening salvo is pretty brutal:

vs Jazz
vs Warriors
@ Raps
vs Raps

Chills out considerably after that, but if we can get through that stretch at .500 or better it would be awesome for momentum


The games against the Raptors are real measuring stick, meaning more than a close game or even a win against the W's. Jazz I could see as a loss out the gate, they've got size/mobility/rebounding in the paint that clogs off John's attack and neutralizes Gortat, reduces us to a jump shooting team. We shoot well from outside mostly when John collapses the defense and kicks to open shooters. We're not as strong when tightly guarded face up.

Wizards actually open up on Friday vs the Sixers. Not sure why that was omitted
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1352 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:17 pm

doclinkin wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:we could use a big trade to help us for the post break schedule, opening salvo is pretty brutal:

vs Jazz
vs Warriors
@ Raps
vs Raps

Chills out considerably after that, but if we can get through that stretch at .500 or better it would be awesome for momentum


The games against the Raptors are real measuring stick, meaning more than a close game or even a win against the W's. Jazz I could see as a loss out the gate, they've got size/mobility/rebounding in the paint that clogs off John's attack and neutralizes Gortat, reduces us to a jump shooting team. We shoot well from outside mostly when John collapses the defense and kicks to open shooters. We're not as strong when tightly guarded face up.


I think the Wizards are looking at the Raps like their chopped liver. We are effectively playing like the playoff Wizards of two seasons ago. The Raps want no parts of that. Wall made Lowry his biatch & Otto was basically in DeMar's back pocket. Gortat has owned Valanciunas as well. Ibaka at this stage is a very modest upgrade over Patterson. I think that move helps their bench more than anything which is why we need to address our bench here soon. But starters vs. starters I think we have a solid edge.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1353 » by NatP4 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:28 pm

Dat2U wrote:
NatP4 wrote:no no no no no, we are not trading Kelly Oubre for reggie F'ing Jackson. this deadline needs to hurry up and end so people can stop. This is the same stuff that people were saying about Otto Brad and Keef not too long ago. Develop talent, do not trade it for stopgap role players.

Hopefully people remember all the things they are saying about Oubre and Satoransky for whenever they break out.


I don't think Oubre should be untouchable and in a vacuum, I think the return on trade suggestion is pretty good. I just don't think Jackson is a fit skill or personality wise with our roster. If Jackson was routed to a third team and we got something decent in return I'd think hard about it.



oubre is a part of our best lineup, and one of the best lineups in the NBA, the lineup that will be our secret weapon in the playoffs. Oubre struggles for a couple games and people want to ship him out.

keep in mind, oubre was awful early in the season when he wasn't getting minutes with the starters, now he's lost his spot in the small ball lineup in favor or jason **** smith, now he's struggling trying to play with burke LOL, imagine that.

We all just need to chill, Oubre has massive potential, he's going to be a weapon going forward, think otto year 2. people just need to be reminded.

theres a legit argument about a coach deciding a player isn't worth developing, thinking "we got enough here" and we should move him because of that. brooks seems very disinterested in developing KO and Sato specifically.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1354 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:44 pm

Dat2U wrote:
NatP4 wrote:no no no no no, we are not trading Kelly Oubre for reggie F'ing Jackson. this deadline needs to hurry up and end so people can stop. This is the same stuff that people were saying about Otto Brad and Keef not too long ago. Develop talent, do not trade it for stopgap role players.

Hopefully people remember all the things they are saying about Oubre and Satoransky for whenever they break out.


I don't think Oubre should be untouchable and in a vacuum, I think the return on trade suggestion is pretty good. I just don't think Jackson is a fit skill or personality wise with our roster. If Jackson was routed to a third team and we got something decent in return I'd think hard about it.

What concerns me about trading Oubre is that his body type is in high demand in today's league because the best way to defend is to switch everything and basically play a matchup zone. Guys with the agility to guard PG's and wings but the length to bother PF's are like gold. And you can tell Oubre really enjoys to play defense, even if he still has a lot to learn. I think he's a sure bet to be a quality player in the Trevor Ariza mold. He just needs a bit more lower body strength and overall seasoning. He's in a slump right now, but we all loved him in December and January.

You can't find those guys anymore, not without paying a fortune.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1355 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:53 pm

NatP4 wrote:Brooks seems very disinterested in developing KO and Sato specifically.

I wouldn't say that, well, at least not with respect to Oubre.

Brooks plays Oubre plenty. I think the last few games have been tough for Oubre because Brooks is trying go figure out how to handle the rotation with Mahinmi back. Smith has been very good for us and I don't think Brooks feels it's right to unceremoniously park him on the end of the bench; so he's experimenting with a 10-man rotation. It's not going to work in the long run, but I'm not hating Brooks for trying. I think Smith has earned it.

In the long run, I think Smith is going to get benched and we're going to go back to a 9-man rotation with Oubre getting more minutes and Porter playing more PF. But these things take time.

Regarding Sato, I think the bottom line is that the 2nd unit is so poor offensively, that Brooks is having trouble finding room for Sato. Sato just isn't ready to run the offense at PG, and his unreliable jumper is allowing defense to sag off him and pack the paint. Brooks is trying to get him minutes, but it's difficult. He can't play Sato alongside Wall, and when he plays him alongside Brooks there is too much overall ineptitude in the backcourt. The only thing that seems to work at all is playing him alongside Beal.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1356 » by nuposse04 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:58 pm

I would hope both Sato and Oubre use some of the break to recenter themselves and try to finish the season strong. If we do a move, it should be sooner then later... our 2nd unit will need time to gel.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1357 » by NatP4 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:05 am

Randy says we need a veteran type off the bench at the 2/3 to ease the load on John and Brad. great interview btw, actually made me sad that Witt isn't a part of this now. :(

sounds like he likes Barton though
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1358 » by NatP4 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:16 am

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NatP4 wrote:Brooks seems very disinterested in developing KO and Sato specifically.

I wouldn't say that, well, at least not with respect to Oubre.

Brooks plays Oubre plenty. I think the last few games have been tough for Oubre because Brooks is trying go figure out how to handle the rotation with Mahinmi back. Smith has been very good for us and I don't think Brooks feels it's right to unceremoniously park him on the end of the bench; so he's experimenting with a 10-man rotation. It's not going to work in the long run, but I'm not hating Brooks for trying. I think Smith has earned it.

In the long run, I think Smith is going to get benched and we're going to go back to a 9-man rotation with Oubre getting more minutes and Porter playing more PF. But these things take time.

Regarding Sato, I think the bottom line is that the 2nd unit is so poor offensively, that Brooks is having trouble finding room for Sato. Sato just isn't ready to run the offense at PG, and his unreliable jumper is allowing defense to sag off him and pack the paint. Brooks is trying to get him minutes, but it's difficult. He can't play Sato alongside Wall, and when he plays him alongside Brooks there is too much overall ineptitude in the backcourt. The only thing that seems to work at all is playing him alongside Beal.


all good points, I understand trying to squeeze smith in there still because he's earned it, but its gotta stop now. I'm 100% sure that brooks would never do it in a playoff series. tbh, i don't even care if brooks uses smith at PF, of course I'm going to complain, but its all about the playoffs, he won't do it there.

Fingers crossed, we get rid of burke for more of a wing scorer type, solves the sato ball handling issue, and gives us wing depth to play small more, which i think you and i both agree, is our biggest strength. i think the cavs game fooled a lot of people, Otto is a good matchup on Love, Love had a great game and couldn't miss, it was ONE game. I 100% believe Sato is ready to play full time point guard and run the 2nd unit, people are acting like the guy can't shoot at all, he's just adjusting to the NBA line, he was a great shooter in Europe, its just a confidence thing. I feel like they don't switch much in europe maybe, so he's not used to attacking a big off the dribble, or atleast thats what it looks like to me.

try to imagine what reserve point guard, emphasis on point guard, would succeed next to burke, in a situation where burke handles the ball and runs the show 90% of the time. hell, imagine our team with burke and wall playing together and wall playing strictly off ball, nightmare. the sooner we skip to the sato mahinmi pick and roll 2nd unit, the better, with the option of posting keef, or running plays for a 2 guard scorer.

scrap the burke smith deep 2 offense completely. never again, ever.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1359 » by gambitx777 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:03 am

NatP4 wrote:Randy says we need a veteran type off the bench at the 2/3 to ease the load on John and Brad. great interview btw, actually made me sad that Witt isn't a part of this now. :(

sounds like he likes Barton though

I'd really love Barton hopefully with Burke going out. Let Tomas sink or swim at being the main bench ball handler with a legit scorer to run with him. Sign Norris Cole or jack Incase things go south. Neither of them would be worse than Burke ! Honestly I wish they had let Randy stay as a scout or something. Last year was not his fault 100%! Better yet once we get a drink league team hire wittman as the GM head couch ! I think he could handle that.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1360 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:20 am

Does anyone know the deal with Tyreke Evans? Did he have some kind of major injury? His drop in playing time and productivity the past couple years is pretty dramatic.

The pelicans aren't going anywhere and he's on the last year of his deal, if he's a guy in need of a change in scenery maybe he's someone who could provide us some backcourt depth at a reasonable price? Maybe Nicholson and a heavily protected pick?
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