Markelle Fultz

[bwgood77]

Here is what I wonder about Fultz. If he is THAT good, why does his team suck so bad? I mean they are 9-17 and 2-12 in the PAC12. Last year they were 18-14 and 9-9 in the PAC12 with extremely raw players in Chriss and Murray. I had this question about Simmons last year not getting LSU to the tourney, but with Fultz he is on the 2nd worst team in the PAC12, only above winless Oregon St. If Fultz is THAT good, shouldn't they be doing better?

Monster game from Markaanen tonight.

[916fan]

Here is what I wonder about Fultz. If he is THAT good, why does his team suck so bad? I mean they are 9-17 and 2-12 in the PAC12. Last year they were 18-14 and 9-9 in the PAC12 with extremely raw players in Chriss and Murray. I had this question about Simmons last year not getting LSU to the tourney, but with Fultz he is on the 2nd worst team in the PAC12, only above winless Oregon St. If Fultz is THAT good, shouldn't they be doing better?

Monster game from Markaanen tonight.

It doesn't matter how raw Chriss and Murray were, they're both two 4 star players who played extremely well in college last year. Murray averaged 16/4/6. Chriss 14/5
Makes me think you didn't watch too much of UW last year, because they also lost their leading scorer..... Andrew Andrews. He was averaging 20ppg/4.9asts/5.7rebs.

So you lose 3 good scorers, and replace them with 1 good scorer. Of course Washington is going to suck. Have you seen his teammates? Thybulle might be the only NBA "caliber" player on his team(he's probably a 4-year player). They often play 3-guard lineups that get exploited on defense too. Their bigmen are undersized and can't rebound.

I don't get how you can hold UW's record against Fultz. I don't even get how you could compare this year's UW team with last years, when it was A LOT better. On top of all of this, Romar is a terrible coach. Horrible. Only reason why he has that job is because he's a good recruiter.

[bwgood77]

Here is what I wonder about Fultz. If he is THAT good, why does his team suck so bad? I mean they are 9-17 and 2-12 in the PAC12. Last year they were 18-14 and 9-9 in the PAC12 with extremely raw players in Chriss and Murray. I had this question about Simmons last year not getting LSU to the tourney, but with Fultz he is on the 2nd worst team in the PAC12, only above winless Oregon St. If Fultz is THAT good, shouldn't they be doing better?

Monster game from Markaanen tonight.

It doesn't matter how raw Chriss and Murray were, they're both two 4 star players who played extremely well in college last year. Murray averaged 16/4/6. Chriss 14/5
Makes me think you didn't watch too much of UW last year, because they also lost their leading scorer..... Andrew Andrews. He was averaging 20ppg/4.9asts/5.7rebs.

So you lose 3 good scorers, and replace them with 1 good scorer. Of course Washington is going to suck. Have you seen his teammates? Thybulle might be the only NBA "caliber" player on his team(he's probably a 4-year player). They often play 3-guard lineups that get exploited on defense too. Their bigmen are undersized and can't rebound.

I don't get how you can hold UW's record against Fultz. I don't even get how you could compare this year's UW team with last years, when it was A LOT better. On top of all of this, Romar is a terrible coach. Horrible. Only reason why he has that job is because he's a good recruiter.

No, I don't watch a lot of UW, which is why I asked the question. You throw a clear cut superstar #1 pick who transforms a pro team, on a college team, you'd think they'd be better. And maybe he's not all that clear cut of a #1 pick, and isn't at the level people thought Wiggins, Simmons, etc, were.

Does he make the players around him better?

[reanimator]

When was the last time a top 5 pick led a roster this bad to a good record in a Power 5 league?

[jrob23]

well, turns out ARI was down two starters and their best defender so unfortunately I didn't get what I was hoping for. Fultz gave us another ho hum performance. He scored 26 but was only 7-16 in another chucking effort. If not for getting to the line 15 times mostly because they were in the penalty, he'd have really been pedestrian. Per usual, there were several poor shots attempted, sloppy play (4 turnovers), bad defense and he again shrank in the clutch. I swear I just don't see what everyone is talking about when they claim he's #1 by far. There was a huge fanboy announcing the game just praising him to no end in full apologist mode, hyping every drive against backups and mum on every poor shot attempt and turnover. Walton on the other hand wasn't as impressed. He certainly did like Markkanen though who had a huge game albeit against a very bad team with no inside defense.

There's been half a dozen losses Fultz should have been able to will them to victory in. His star is fading. You wouldn't know that because they'll show highlights of his high degree of difficulty layups (that he won't get in the NBA) against bad defenders and you'll see 26 points and hear "poor kid is on a bad team...waaaaahhh" but I promise you he's falling down draft boards as we finish this season.

He has one more chance to impress everyone and try to prove he's deserving of the hype against UCLA on 3/1. It'll be on Fox 1 so there will be quite the national audience. I think it'll be too little too late. He'll sneak into my top 10 but his days atop the draft board are numbered.

[bigpimpatl]

Fultz didn't shoot terribly from the stripe, but his misses were ugly. I definitely see your point about that. I think he just loses focus for a split second because his form isn't bad.

I kind of agree with you in that, before this season even started Fultz was the #1 choice for this draft. He's been hyped up since day one but when you see him play, you don't get the sense that "oh the hype is deserved." I'm not saying he'll be bad, but is he really that can't miss talent in this draft? I think he'll be pretty good, but I also think LM will be pretty good too.

[sikma42]

Is there really that much hype. Sounds like some of you are grasping at straws trying to tear the kid down based on expectations no one really had for him.

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[jrob23]

Is there really that much hype. Sounds like some of you are grasping at straws trying to tear the kid down based on expectations no one really had for him.

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are you serious? Go on every single draft site, read any mock draft or draft thread in existence and from Day 1 Fultz has been hyped as this sure fire easily #1 prospect for this draft class. Despite never winning or doing well against good healthy opposition he's barely criticized. I'm just pointing out his flaws and people get all emotional about it as if I don't also find him to be a top prospect. It's just that fanboys have blinders on and it's annoying. There are so many good prospects all as talented and people should accept that Fultz isn't the end all be all. He may not even be the best PG in the class let alone player and if BOS chooses first he's not as desirable because we're loaded with guards and have one of the lead's leading scorers and our own high usage bad defense PG in Isaiah Thomas. So it's not likely Ainge takes Fultz unless he's willing to part with IT now or after his contract is up.

[reanimator]

I don't know why people engage him in this thread. He has an excuse for everything. Arizona didn't have Allen but has ample 5 star long, athletic wings (Alkins, Simmons) and Rustic isn't some defensive titan. Knocking down FTs are a problem but never seen someone negate a person getting to the line frequently and keeping a bad roster competitive against a top 5 team. He played 39 minutes of highly efficient basketball sans the last minute of chucking trying to lessen the score disparity.

No one will answer this though...When was the last time a top 5 pick led a roster this bad to a good record in a Power 5 league?

[jrob23]

I don't know why people engage him in this thread. He has an excuse for everything. Arizona didn't have Allen but has ample 5 star long, athletic wings (Alkins, Simmons) and Rustic isn't some defensive titan. Knocking down FTs are a problem but never seen someone negate a person getting to the line frequently and keeping a bad roster competitive against a top 5 team. He played 39 minutes of highly efficient basketball sans the last minute of chucking trying to lessen the score disparity.

No one will answer this though...When was the last time a top 5 pick led a roster this bad to a good record in a Power 5 league?

because it's a message board and we come here to discuss teams, sports, players? So because I don't toe the line and agree that Fultz is the best prospect in this draft class you shouldn't debate about him with me? Talk about excuses...he wasn't just chucking at the end there were ugly shots and turnovers throughout the game as it was close the whole time those were huge. Wait...so the best defender on ARI...the very guy who would have defended Fultz...being out means nothing? Now THAT is funny. Nobody said Rustic was a defensive titan...nice try. You, like most fanboys conveniently gloss over his ugly turnovers, ugly bricks, and how in a tight game he didn't make any big shots to will his team to victory. Those aren't excuses not to like him..they're reasons not to praise him. Huge difference. The fanatics are just out of control and you can't point out the glaringly obvious negatives without being labeled a troll.

I see spin moves and high degree of difficulty layups against backups and see no way he's going to duplicate that with his athleticism and NBA defenders. You feel he'll be able to do exactly that. Which one sounds more plausible?

[jrob23]

I don't know why people engage him in this thread. He has an excuse for everything. Arizona didn't have Allen but has ample 5 star long, athletic wings (Alkins, Simmons) and Rustic isn't some defensive titan. Knocking down FTs are a problem but never seen someone negate a person getting to the line frequently and keeping a bad roster competitive against a top 5 team. He played 39 minutes of highly efficient basketball sans the last minute of chucking trying to lessen the score disparity.

No one will answer this though...When was the last time a top 5 pick led a roster this bad to a good record in a Power 5 league?

the reason why it's hard to do is because great players make players around them better so you end up thinking it's a great team when in fact it's mostly because of one player or a great coach/system. Plus, they used to keep kids in school so great players would inevitably be joined by some good players. Now in the one and done era all the top teams are loaded and everyone else sucks so great players choosing to go to bad programs doesn't happen much. But I'm sure you don't view DSJ and Fultz decisions to go to their schools as a negative do you? How apologist of you

[reanimator]

I don't know why people engage him in this thread. He has an excuse for everything. Arizona didn't have Allen but has ample 5 star long, athletic wings (Alkins, Simmons) and Rustic isn't some defensive titan. Knocking down FTs are a problem but never seen someone negate a person getting to the line frequently and keeping a bad roster competitive against a top 5 team. He played 39 minutes of highly efficient basketball sans the last minute of chucking trying to lessen the score disparity.

No one will answer this though...When was the last time a top 5 pick led a roster this bad to a good record in a Power 5 league?

the reason why it's hard to do is because great players make players around them better so you end up thinking it's a great team when in fact it's mostly because of one player or a great coach/system.

Can you cite some examples of this?

[EMG518]

I haven't been around lately, been real busy so I haven't kept up with the draft a ton. What's the current talk going on about Fultz. Has there been any concerns about the speed at which he plays the game. He seems like he is in 3rd gear all the time. I am a little concerned about him defensively as well as him getting separation on his shot at the next level. Has anyone else expressed similar concerns?

[WalterBenjamin]

Any fool who has concerns about Fultz making shots in the NBA has Ball out of the lottery. If not so don't eaven mention it.

[Upperclass]

Imo Fultz goes #1, Ball goess #3, or Ball is #1, Fultz goes #2. After workouts, theres zero chance Fultz isnt #1 or 2 and the overwhelming favorite for #1. With some of the "unathletic" guards and wings who've been successful in the league.. its hard to believe the disdain dude receives. Great talent

[Jojothewhale]

I don't know why people engage him in this thread. He has an excuse for everything. Arizona didn't have Allen but has ample 5 star long, athletic wings (Alkins, Simmons) and Rustic isn't some defensive titan. Knocking down FTs are a problem but never seen someone negate a person getting to the line frequently and keeping a bad roster competitive against a top 5 team. He played 39 minutes of highly efficient basketball sans the last minute of chucking trying to lessen the score disparity.

No one will answer this though...When was the last time a top 5 pick led a roster this bad to a good record in a Power 5 league?

I get what you're saying here and I don't disagree, but since so many of the top tier go to Kentucky/Duke/Kansas, you basically only have Simmons (and maybe Russell/Turner from Ohio St, but I wouldn't put them in that class) since Griffin. We don't have a solid pool of information.

[jrob23]

I don't know why people engage him in this thread. He has an excuse for everything. Arizona didn't have Allen but has ample 5 star long, athletic wings (Alkins, Simmons) and Rustic isn't some defensive titan. Knocking down FTs are a problem but never seen someone negate a person getting to the line frequently and keeping a bad roster competitive against a top 5 team. He played 39 minutes of highly efficient basketball sans the last minute of chucking trying to lessen the score disparity.

No one will answer this though...When was the last time a top 5 pick led a roster this bad to a good record in a Power 5 league?

the reason why it's hard to do is because great players make players around them better so you end up thinking it's a great team when in fact it's mostly because of one player or a great coach/system.

Can you cite some examples of this?

Melo, Alford, Bird, Hield, Griffin, AD, CP3, DWade, Shaq, Mayo, Gordon, Steph, Blake, Fredette, Kawhi, Klay, Porter

all excellent college players with scant top talent around them that led their teams to success. I don't think any of the above had a single NBA level talent playing with them and yet, their play was great enough that they either single handedly made their teams better or affected middling talent making it better.

Fultz has some good 3pt shooters and an athletic wing, plus a little size down low as far as teammates go. They shouldn't be this bad if he's that good imo. Ball would elevate the play of those around him and win more games. I'm convinced of it. He's just that type of player.

[reanimator]

none of those names seem to match up with what your saying

[sikma42]

the reason why it's hard to do is because great players make players around them better so you end up thinking it's a great team when in fact it's mostly because of one player or a great coach/system.

Can you cite some examples of this?

Melo, Alford, Bird, Hield, Griffin, AD, CP3, DWade, Shaq, Mayo, Gordon, Steph, Blake, Fredette, Kawhi, Klay, Porter

all excellent college players with scant top talent around them that led their teams to success. I don't think any of the above had a single NBA level talent playing with them and yet, their play was great enough that they either single handedly made their teams better or affected middling talent making it better.

Fultz has some good 3pt shooters and an athletic wing, plus a little size down low as far as teammates go. They shouldn't be this bad if he's that good imo. Ball would elevate the play of those around him and win more games. I'm convinced of it. He's just that type of player.

You obviously have an agenda or have no idea what you are talking about. Honestly I didn't read past Melo had scant talent around him. Just a silly thing to say.

Edit: did you list Anthony Davis too...you are unhinged





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[jonjames]

Markelle Fultz to the kings. Book it.