The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[ajones9219]

Well what is he? An all star? Funny, I didn't see him last night. He's averaging 14/6/5. Those are objectively role player numbers.

Yes an all star. And do you actually watch the games or just read the box scores? The offense runs immeasurably better with Horford on the floor

I would hope our offense is better with one of our best offensive players on the floor. That does not make him an all star. He also hasn't been good defensively, and is mediocre on the glass. He was not even considered for the all star game this year, and there was no objection or pushback from anyone for leaving him off, even after Love went out. But I guess everyone else just doesn't watch the games like you do.

Lilliard, KP, Aldridge. Are they role players as well. There's a limited amount of slots. Doesn't mean such players are not all star caliber players

[SLCceltic]

If you consider Horford a role player then I don't know what to reasonably tell you

Well what is he? An all star? Funny, I didn't see him last night. He's averaging 14/6/5. Those are objectively role player numbers.

Yes an all star. And do you actually watch the games or just read the box scores? The offense runs immeasurably better with Horford on the floor

Horford is an All-Star, though his play has been very mediocre the past 6 weeks or so. He seems to be playing his way out of this slump currently. Any Hawks fans around ? Are January and February typically lull months for him ??

[chrisab123]

Ainge is doing nothing. Trust me Zeller is unfortunately going to be the herpes of the Celtics. You can suppress him but eventually he's going to resurface with a vengeance

[FlightSisters]

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Notice he said WHEN not IF

[fallguy]

C'mon guys, who knows what IT means with that. Don't read SO much into it

Don't be a fool. If Ainge doesn't trade for Anthony Davis after that tweet, he should be fired.

Also, he can't draft.

[Valid]

So last time he did this we signed a role player to 30 million a year for 4 years, and this time we're about to give away our future to lose in 7 to Lebron for the next 3 years? In that case I'm hoping for as little social media activity from IT as possible going forward.

If you consider Horford a role player then I don't know what to reasonably tell you

Well what is he? An all star? Funny, I didn't see him last night. He's averaging 14/6/5. Those are objectively role player numbers.

Here is Al Horford's player page:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01.html

Do you see those little stars next to the seasons in the stats? Look really closely; there are four of them.

That means he was an All-Star four times.

[Celtics_Champs]

honestly that Zarren tweet makes.me think Ainge is working the phones heavily right now.

[Homerclease]

Now wiretap says we've had talks regarding Blake griffin. We are all over the place it seems

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Plenty can happen before Thursday’s 2 p.m. trade deadline, but according to multiple sources, the Bulls and Celtics haven’t held substantive talks about Butler since June, and Butler’s camp is under the impression that the Bulls won’t move the three-time All-Star this week. – via Chicago Tribune

[Valid]

Plenty can happen before Thursday’s 2 p.m. trade deadline, but according to multiple sources, the Bulls and Celtics haven’t held substantive talks about Butler since June, and Butler’s camp is under the impression that the Bulls won’t move the three-time All-Star this week. – via Chicago Tribune

Not surprising. I really don't think anything substantial will happen until the offseason.

[Valid]

Now wiretap says we've had talks regarding Blake griffin. We are all over the place it seems

Yeah but it doesn't specify when. It could have been back in November for all we know.

Trading for Griffin doesn't really make much sense when we can just sign him as a FA over the summer, a la Horford last year.

[fallguy]

Plenty can happen before Thursday’s 2 p.m. trade deadline, but according to multiple sources, the Bulls and Celtics haven’t held substantive talks about Butler since June, and Butler’s camp is under the impression that the Bulls won’t move the three-time All-Star this week. – via Chicago Tribune

Good. No rush on this. The Bulls will still be flailing and failing come the summer.

[Bar Fight]

Yes an all star. And do you actually watch the games or just read the box scores? The offense runs immeasurably better with Horford on the floor

I would hope our offense is better with one of our best offensive players on the floor. That does not make him an all star. He also hasn't been good defensively, and is mediocre on the glass. He was not even considered for the all star game this year, and there was no objection or pushback from anyone for leaving him off, even after Love went out. But I guess everyone else just doesn't watch the games like you do.

Lilliard, KP, Aldridge. Are they role players as well. There's a limited amount of slots. Doesn't mean such players are not all star caliber players

Based on what he's done this year, he has not been an all star. Horford hasn't even consistently been the second best player on the Celtics this year. Melo was selected as a replacement over him. And he's having easily his worst season, playing on one of the worst teams in the league.

Two of those guys play in the West, where the talent is much deeper. And the other is a 21 year old who has been hobbled all year playing on a terrible team. Horford is on the 2nd best team in the East and still got almost no all star consideration.

[Valid]

Plenty can happen before Thursday’s 2 p.m. trade deadline, but according to multiple sources, the Bulls and Celtics haven’t held substantive talks about Butler since June, and Butler’s camp is under the impression that the Bulls won’t move the three-time All-Star this week. – via Chicago Tribune

Good. No rush on this. The Bulls will still be flailing and failing come the summer.

I also think Butler's price is likely to drop by then, too.

[KGboss]

Wasn't that Chicago Tribune quote from hours ago.

Also everyone else is saying the opposite.

Chicago steering the discussion through their press

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[StevensArmy]

That's an "all in" deal that I would be behind. IT/Smart/Butler/George/Horford.

I think to acquire both would signal a short sighted win now approach. Such a move would gut the quality depth of the current roster. How would such a roster compete at a high level in the case of injury. This would not be consistent with Danny's stated intentions to build a sustainable winner. Don't get me wrong, it would be tremendous 3-4 year run, but then what. Looking ahead to the 2019-2020 season, George would be 29, Butler, 30, IT 31 and Horford 33. We would soon be entering the aging all star post Allen, Garnett and Pierce era without the gift of Brooklyn to bail us out. I'm sure Chicago, Indiana and Philadelphia would love to see the Celtics trade away the picks from Brooklyn and the salary cap flexibility they've created for themselves for a short run. It would be perfectly timed just when Philadelphia will be beginning an 8 year run with an entire starting 5 of all stars just beginning their age 21-24 prime. I really hope Danny has learned how difficult it is to escape mediocrity in the NBA. The Celtics are very close to needing only a rebounder to immediately compete with Cleveland if they have not already positioned themselves to do so. The Celtics are very, very close, to delivering the knock out punch to Cleveland. They could conceivably add two impact free agents and two future all stars via the draft over the next 18 months to the future of Smart, Brown and Zicic.

I'm with you on most of this post but how do we add two impact free agents? I'm pretty sure just one max contract wipes out the cap space entirely, and that is with some manipulation and depleting of the roster.

The cap is expected to rise to $102M next season and with another spike the season after. The Celtics have roughly $72M committed next season. An impact FA signing does not mean it has to be a max contract signing. For example, I don't know that Noel will command a max contract when he is unrestricted after his 2017-2018 season. Outside of Horford's contract the Celtics have roster full of useful players with below market contracts that can easily be moved. The reason why you hold on to Brown and the Brooklyn picks is acquire that all star talent, albeit potential, on rookie deals. I do realize the long game has risk. Players aged 20-22 are having a significant impact in the league. I think Stevens is the type of coach that can bring out the maximum potential in young developing players. He is a great asset to this franchise. I would prefer to seem them utilize that asset that is the Celtics advantage. I have no problem with them acquiring one star, but two would be cashing in our entire future. Rarely if ever has a team drafted in the top 5, 3 years in a row while chasing a conference title. I certainly would not expect to see that often if ever again with this franchise.

[Bar Fight]

If you consider Horford a role player then I don't know what to reasonably tell you

Well what is he? An all star? Funny, I didn't see him last night. He's averaging 14/6/5. Those are objectively role player numbers.

Here is Al Horford's player page:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01.html

Do you see those little stars next to the seasons in the stats? Look really closely; there are four of them.

That means he was an All-Star four times.

Okay? We're talking about this season.

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Jesus ****. Scared me there for a second.

[Shamrock]

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