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Green89 wrote:
The question I have about this is if we do it, is it because we've done a bigger deal and lost some bigs, or because we couldn't get a bigger deal done and settle with just Bogut as our one front court upgrade?
Homerclease wrote:esad247 wrote:Homerclease wrote:The fact is the odds of the player becoming at the minimum a solid rotation player on the level of Bradley and Crowder are actually over 60%
Right but do you want to pass up a butler george or even a drummond for a 60% chance of a solid rotation player?
Well in this exercise, guys like Towns, Porzingis and Embiid are considered busts because they haven't made all star teams yet. There are 3 levels here. You could get a franchise cornerstone, a solid role player, or a bust. The odds are about equal each way
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Other point about Drummond is we'd probably give them Zizic. And if SVG has coach's disease (impatience, Joe Johnson for Tony Delk/Rodney Rogers trades), Zizic is a legitimately good center prospect who already knows how to do a lot of the little stuff we'd be spending another 2-3 years helping Dre to get down.
esad247 wrote:Homerclease wrote:esad247 wrote:
Right but do you want to pass up a butler george or even a drummond for a 60% chance of a solid rotation player?
Well in this exercise, guys like Towns, Porzingis and Embiid are considered busts because they haven't made all star teams yet. There are 3 levels here. You could get a franchise cornerstone, a solid role player, or a bust. The odds are about equal each way
I guess that's the thing that makes me not too worried about trading the bkn picks in general. Odds being equal like you said, we have about a 33% chance of landing a franchise cornerstone, but those aren't the only odds that matter. What are the odds that in 3-5 years we have a strong enough team surrounding that franchise cornerstone that we are finals contenders, and then what are the odds that there isn't 1 or 2 teams that have an even stronger team than us. Just seems like, once you factor in the odds of getting said player, putting together solid team, managing salaries/cap space, having good team chemistry, etc., that a lot of needing things to go right just so we can be in the conversation we are almost in now if we add a few more pieces. Not saying I'm convinced or even right, but just feel like now is a good time to go for it.
Green89 wrote:chrisab123 wrote:I will say that if Ainge does have interest in Drummond and I hope he does and gets him I'll be throwing a party on this board.
Just make sure there's strippers involved.
MotownMadness wrote:IDK I just think Drummond makes you guys dangerous. The IT/Drummond pick and roll surrounded by shooters would just be a lethal offense and hard to stop. Commit to either IT or Drummond rolling or commit to the 3 point line and let those two feast at the rim like Reggie and Drummond did last season before Reggies knee went to hell. Plus he would instantly make you guys a top rebounding team, especially on the offensive glass.
Plus you guys have something we don't to counter hack a Dre and that's playing Horford at the 5.
Homerclease wrote:esad247 wrote:Homerclease wrote:Well in this exercise, guys like Towns, Porzingis and Embiid are considered busts because they haven't made all star teams yet. There are 3 levels here. You could get a franchise cornerstone, a solid role player, or a bust. The odds are about equal each way
I guess that's the thing that makes me not too worried about trading the bkn picks in general. Odds being equal like you said, we have about a 33% chance of landing a franchise cornerstone, but those aren't the only odds that matter. What are the odds that in 3-5 years we have a strong enough team surrounding that franchise cornerstone that we are finals contenders, and then what are the odds that there isn't 1 or 2 teams that have an even stronger team than us. Just seems like, once you factor in the odds of getting said player, putting together solid team, managing salaries/cap space, having good team chemistry, etc., that a lot of needing things to go right just so we can be in the conversation we are almost in now if we add a few more pieces. Not saying I'm convinced or even right, but just feel like now is a good time to go for it.
Better than winning a title now by trading for Butler and nobody else.
Homerclease wrote:esad247 wrote:Homerclease wrote:Well in this exercise, guys like Towns, Porzingis and Embiid are considered busts because they haven't made all star teams yet. There are 3 levels here. You could get a franchise cornerstone, a solid role player, or a bust. The odds are about equal each way
I guess that's the thing that makes me not too worried about trading the bkn picks in general. Odds being equal like you said, we have about a 33% chance of landing a franchise cornerstone, but those aren't the only odds that matter. What are the odds that in 3-5 years we have a strong enough team surrounding that franchise cornerstone that we are finals contenders, and then what are the odds that there isn't 1 or 2 teams that have an even stronger team than us. Just seems like, once you factor in the odds of getting said player, putting together solid team, managing salaries/cap space, having good team chemistry, etc., that a lot of needing things to go right just so we can be in the conversation we are almost in now if we add a few more pieces. Not saying I'm convinced or even right, but just feel like now is a good time to go for it.
Better than winning a title now by trading for Butler and nobody else.
Banks2Pierce wrote:I'm scared of Drummond. While his counting stats look the exact same as last season, the team based stats and directly ignoring coaching the year after he got paid look red flag-ish to me. That's in relation to the 2018 BKN, but open for business in other scenarios.
Zaschrona wrote:Amir, Jae, AB and MEM pick to DET
Zeller, Jerebko, Young, 2018 BOS and a 2nd to NYK
Melo, Drummond and O'Quinn to BOS
IT/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Melo/GG
Horford/Olynyk
Drummond/O'Quinn
Bill Bradley wrote:My guess is that Ainge is going for Paul George and Drummond simultaneously, both relatively young guys who fit for now and the future.
rob4748 wrote:I don't understand why every year we think something substantial will happen. Constantly letting ourselves get worked up just to have a minor trade!
Listen, the Celtics probably end up with PJ Tucker and Andrew Bogut, those are the fireworks. Anything else is extra
Celtics_Champs wrote:Abby Chin always looks good. She blocked me on Twitter and to this day I have no idea and I never said anything to her. One day I will see her on sidelines and ask her why oh why.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Banks2Pierce wrote:I'm scared of Drummond. While his counting stats look the exact same as last season, the team based stats and directly ignoring coaching the year after he got paid look red flag-ish to me. That's in relation to the 2018 BKN, but open for business in other scenarios.
He also lost 20 pounds over the summer to play a different role in Van Gundy's defense. I don't think his work ethic is the issue. & a guy like SVG who barks a lot can wear on players, they start to tune him out. It's bad motivational technique.