Potential sleepers

[doordoor123]

That bum Ben Lammers who will "go undrafted" helped beat Syracuse with 23 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists 7 blocks 3 steals. He had a couple of 15-17 footers, fade away off a spin move, several dunks and one above the rim alley oop. Not bad for someone who apparently can't jump!! /s Oh and he's been missing practice because of a bum ankle. 7 blocks!!!!

Can't see him lasting until the 2nd round but most teams are that dumb so.... I hope the Celtics can grab him in the 2nd if that happens. He's going to have a long productive NBA career.

I'm actually watching that game right now! He's the tallest player on the floor all game so that's where his stats are coming from. Having said that, his age and frame are still an issue. I AM impressed with the way he has been able to defend the perimeter, and run the floor and he has a nice shot. I also like how he fights for the ball. More of a face up PF than anything, but he's never going to be a good rebounder and won't be the shot blocker he is in college. Still say he's a second round pick. A lot of guys in college put up big numbers, doesn't mean it will translate to the NBA.

[cksdayoff]

Donovan Mitchell is going to be one of the best guards to come out of the 2017 draft. He's gonna be a two way player

[Duke4life831]

My ultimate sleeper from this draft is going to be Bryce Alford. I haven't really seem him on any mock drafts. But I think this guy is going to make a roster and surprise some people. Not saying he's going to be a starter or anything but I can see him being a rotation player. His best skill is a very translatable skill, he's not just a really good shooter with deep range, he's an excellent shooter of the catch coming off screens or curls. This dude can just run and run and run off the ball and is a threat whenever he catches it. Now his lack of size is what really limits him, if he was a legit 6'4 I think he'd have a chance to be a starter one day. But because his lack of size I think he can become a solid guy off the bench.

[RipCity71252]

My ultimate sleeper from this draft is going to be Bryce Alford. I haven't really seem him on any mock drafts. But I think this guy is going to make a roster and surprise some people. Not saying he's going to be a starter or anything but I can see him being a rotation player. His best skill is a very translatable skill, he's not just a really good shooter with deep range, he's an excellent shooter of the catch coming off screens or curls. This dude can just run and run and run off the ball and is a threat whenever he catches it. Now his lack of size is what really limits him, if he was a legit 6'4 I think he'd have a chance to be a starter one day. But because his lack of size I think he can become a solid guy off the bench.

Bryce is an electric shooter no doubt, but I don't know if I can get past his defense. He gets destroyed in college and for a guy that only has the size to guard 1's...idk how you manage that.

Here's another deep sleeper for ya...Jacob Wiley--Senior out of Eastern Washington.

He's 22, dominating sub par competition and can't really shoot so he probably has no chance of getting drafted, but he has a long lean body with some real bounce to him. Kind reminds of Aaron Gordon in the way he moves.

Watch on YouTube

[jrob23]

That bum Ben Lammers who will "go undrafted" helped beat Syracuse with 23 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists 7 blocks 3 steals. He had a couple of 15-17 footers, fade away off a spin move, several dunks and one above the rim alley oop. Not bad for someone who apparently can't jump!! /s Oh and he's been missing practice because of a bum ankle. 7 blocks!!!!

Can't see him lasting until the 2nd round but most teams are that dumb so.... I hope the Celtics can grab him in the 2nd if that happens. He's going to have a long productive NBA career.

I'm actually watching that game right now! He's the tallest player on the floor all game so that's where his stats are coming from. Having said that, his age and frame are still an issue. I AM impressed with the way he has been able to defend the perimeter, and run the floor and he has a nice shot. I also like how he fights for the ball. More of a face up PF than anything, but he's never going to be a good rebounder and won't be the shot blocker he is in college. Still say he's a second round pick. A lot of guys in college put up big numbers, doesn't mean it will translate to the NBA.

his stats are coming from him being an excellent all around player. Why is his size a negative? As a PF he'll have ideal size and skill at 6'10" 240 lbs. How many guys his size in the NBA can run, pass, shoot, and defend like him? It's not a very long list. There certainly aren't many if any backups as good as him.

As far as rebounding, he seeks out guys to put a body on, is as big, long, and athletic as anyone he'll be going against in the NBA so there's no reason why he wouldn't be able to do it in the NBA. He's a sleeper because people have never heard of him and say he's not draftable. He's 21 y/o not 23 so age shouldn't matter. Skilled big men are in short supply. You'll hear his name on draft night.

if you watch his highlights he's doing a plethora of things you just don't see many NBA bigs do. He's going to get drafted and that was my point. He's not some plodding unathletic big. Check out the hops at .48 on the alley oop. That's not bad for someone who can't jump.

Watch on YouTube

[Ruzious]

My ultimate sleeper from this draft is going to be Bryce Alford. I haven't really seem him on any mock drafts. But I think this guy is going to make a roster and surprise some people. Not saying he's going to be a starter or anything but I can see him being a rotation player. His best skill is a very translatable skill, he's not just a really good shooter with deep range, he's an excellent shooter of the catch coming off screens or curls. This dude can just run and run and run off the ball and is a threat whenever he catches it. Now his lack of size is what really limits him, if he was a legit 6'4 I think he'd have a chance to be a starter one day. But because his lack of size I think he can become a solid guy off the bench.

He could be somewhat similar to Luke Ridnour - though Luke was probably more versatile due to his point guard skills.

[jrob23]

another sleeper I mentioned early in the thread Zach Smith continues to impress. He has impressive length and athleticism but is perhaps a tweener at 6'9" as a stretch 4. He doesn't quite have the handle for a SF but he can shoot threes, hit midrange, put the ball on the floor against bigger guys and play above the rim. I wonder if there is some additional upside and if he's maybe worth a 2nd rounder. He's similar to Cheick Diallo and Jordan Mickey imo.

[doordoor123]

Think this is a fairly new sleeper. De'Ron Davis from Indiana. He's a freshman who has been playing great recently. Needs to gain weight, but is 6'10 with a legitimate wingspan and he's really smart. If he doesn't get interest this year, he's going to be a draft pick next year.

[doordoor123]

Another sleeper: I know this is crazy to say, but Harry Giles. I think everyone is sleeping on him now. I keep thinking about Jabari Parker and Dante Exum. Both of them looked like they lost their athleticism after they returned from ACL injuries, but Jabari recovered and is as bouncy as ever. It took him some time at first, but he looks great physically now. Dante Exum seems to have returned to previous form as well. Sure, maybe Giles won't be what he once was, but I think he's going to get a lot of his ability back. He was so young when he got his injuries, with the treatments we have nowadays and the knowledge we have, I still think he's going to be good.

[LuessiT]

Another sleeper: I know this is crazy to say, but Harry Giles. I think everyone is sleeping on him now. I keep thinking about Jabari Parker and Dante Exum. Both of them looked like they lost their athleticism after they returned from ACL injuries, but Jabari recovered and is as bouncy as ever. It took him some time at first, but he looks great physically now. Dante Exum seems to have returned to previous form as well. Sure, maybe Giles won't be what he once was, but I think he's going to get a lot of his ability back. He was so young when he got his injuries, with the treatments we have nowadays and the knowledge we have, I still think he's going to be good.

That's not true. Jabari came into the league as an average athlete, then tore his ACL. When he came back, he immediately showed freak athleticism, he didn't have to recover ****. Giles has been back from injury for a while now and his athleticism hasn't come back. There might be the 'chance' that he needs another operation to possibly gain back his athleticism but doesn't want to do that before the draft so his stock doesn't take an even bigger hit, but more likely his athleticism is completely lost.

[doordoor123]

Another sleeper: I know this is crazy to say, but Harry Giles. I think everyone is sleeping on him now. I keep thinking about Jabari Parker and Dante Exum. Both of them looked like they lost their athleticism after they returned from ACL injuries, but Jabari recovered and is as bouncy as ever. It took him some time at first, but he looks great physically now. Dante Exum seems to have returned to previous form as well. Sure, maybe Giles won't be what he once was, but I think he's going to get a lot of his ability back. He was so young when he got his injuries, with the treatments we have nowadays and the knowledge we have, I still think he's going to be good.

That's not true. Jabari came into the league as an average athlete, then tore his ACL. When he came back, he immediately showed freak athleticism, he didn't have to recover ****. Giles has been back from injury for a while now and his athleticism hasn't come back. There might be the 'chance' that he needs another operation to possibly gain back his athleticism but doesn't want to do that before the draft so his stock doesn't take an even bigger hit, but more likely his athleticism is completely lost.

I'm not convinced just yet. We'll see.

[cksdayoff]

Another sleeper: I know this is crazy to say, but Harry Giles. I think everyone is sleeping on him now. I keep thinking about Jabari Parker and Dante Exum. Both of them looked like they lost their athleticism after they returned from ACL injuries, but Jabari recovered and is as bouncy as ever. It took him some time at first, but he looks great physically now. Dante Exum seems to have returned to previous form as well. Sure, maybe Giles won't be what he once was, but I think he's going to get a lot of his ability back. He was so young when he got his injuries, with the treatments we have nowadays and the knowledge we have, I still think he's going to be good.

That's not true. Jabari came into the league as an average athlete, then tore his ACL. When he came back, he immediately showed freak athleticism, he didn't have to recover ****. Giles has been back from injury for a while now and his athleticism hasn't come back. There might be the 'chance' that he needs another operation to possibly gain back his athleticism but doesn't want to do that before the draft so his stock doesn't take an even bigger hit, but more likely his athleticism is completely lost.

Jabari was not an average athlete at Duke. Not at his weight/height. Jabari showed off his exceptional athleticism from time to time in games.

[treefi]

Mike Daum - 6'9" - 245 pounds with a rumored 7'1" wingspan. 25ppg, 8rpg, 51.6% fg, 42.7% from 3, 87.6% ft

Great post scorer, elite shooter for his size. Terrible defensively. Below average athlete at next level. Dropped 51 points in a game recently. Probably won't sneak into the 2nd round, or even enter the draft... But he's got a little McDermott in him. Looks slightly bigger, but not the same shooter.

[Ruzious]

That bum Ben Lammers who will "go undrafted" helped beat Syracuse with 23 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists 7 blocks 3 steals. He had a couple of 15-17 footers, fade away off a spin move, several dunks and one above the rim alley oop. Not bad for someone who apparently can't jump!! /s Oh and he's been missing practice because of a bum ankle. 7 blocks!!!!

Can't see him lasting until the 2nd round but most teams are that dumb so.... I hope the Celtics can grab him in the 2nd if that happens. He's going to have a long productive NBA career.

Even though he had a bad shooting game in the loss to NC State, I was impressed. 4 blocks, 2 steals along with 9 bounds. He's had 6 straight games with at least 3 blocks. The improvement in the combo of steals and blocks makes me think that he does have good "functional athleticism" - which makes me skeptical about an otherwise very productive player like Swanigan. I think you might be on to something with Lammers afterall.

[DubCeeSwag]

Think this is a fairly new sleeper. De'Ron Davis from Indiana. He's a freshman who has been playing great recently. Needs to gain weight, but is 6'10 with a legitimate wingspan and he's really smart. If he doesn't get interest this year, he's going to be a draft pick next year.

Nope. He may have been smart in HS, but after Crean ball ...total DERP!

[doordoor123]

Think this is a fairly new sleeper. De'Ron Davis from Indiana. He's a freshman who has been playing great recently. Needs to gain weight, but is 6'10 with a legitimate wingspan and he's really smart. If he doesn't get interest this year, he's going to be a draft pick next year.

Nope. He may have been smart in HS, but after Crean ball ...total DERP!

In the games I've seen more recently he has made great defensive plays. Seems really smart on that end.

[jrob23]

Anyone been watching Moritz Wagner from Michigan? I saw him flash against UCLA earlier this season. I was impressed but now looking back and seeing how he's done I can see him getting drafted just based on upside. He can score on all three levels, is 6'10" 19 y/o. He's a stretch 4 exclusively right now. There's upside to add a lot more bulk and explosion though and that might be enough, with his size and 3 pt shooting (.422 %) to entice teams to grab him late 1st early 2nd.

[JohnWillow]

Just finished to watch a game where international prospect Anzejs Pasecniks played (he is ranked #29 in Draft Express), he had a huge game against one of the top teams in Europe Real Madrid. 16 points (7/9 from the field, 1/1 from 3 point line.) I have a feeling Spurs are gonna take him.

[RipCity71252]

Anyone been watching Moritz Wagner from Michigan? I saw him flash against UCLA earlier this season. I was impressed but now looking back and seeing how he's done I can see him getting drafted just based on upside. He can score on all three levels, is 6'10" 19 y/o. He's a stretch 4 exclusively right now. There's upside to add a lot more bulk and explosion though and that might be enough, with his size and 3 pt shooting (.422 %) to entice teams to grab him late 1st early 2nd.

Saw a bit of him against Purdue and was impressed. Probably not a guy I'll scout much until we know if he declares this year though, which I doubt considering how many bigs are already projected to go 10-40 in this draft.

[Johnlac1]

Anyone been watching Moritz Wagner from Michigan? I saw him flash against UCLA earlier this season. I was impressed but now looking back and seeing how he's done I can see him getting drafted just based on upside. He can score on all three levels, is 6'10" 19 y/o. He's a stretch 4 exclusively right now. There's upside to add a lot more bulk and explosion though and that might be enough, with his size and 3 pt shooting (.422 %) to entice teams to grab him late 1st early 2nd.

Nice summary. He and his Michigan team beat my Badgers recently. Wagner looked pretty good. Swanigan overpowered him several times in a Purdue-Michigan game I saw yesterday, but Wagner scored 22 pts in the first half, and Michigan won easily. Someone to keep an eye on.