The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[pasfru]

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Is this true? Cousins is an unusual case and the Kings management is a "special" FO.

I think what she meant to say was opposing GMs in the market are depressed because they missed out on Buddy "the next Stephen Curry" Hield.

[Homerclease]

Mid day show on EEI terrible as usual. Muttnansky wants the Celtics to give up the farm for jimmy butler and when a caller made the point that the birds, magics, Jordan's, Duncan's, Shaqs and Lebrons of the world win titles and not guys like Jimmy he didn't know what to do and just started yelling.

Holley and Keefe are the only thing on that station worth a damn

[hickfromfrenchlick]

We are attached to him because he is really freaking good, not to mention that there is actually evidence that Drummond makes his team's defense worse.

I'm a UConn fan, so I love Drummond and I would love to have him, but I'm not about to trade Smart for him.

Bradley? Sure. Smart? No.

What evidence is there that Drummond makes his team's defense worse?

I mean, the Pistons' defense is 10 points better per 100 possessions when he is off the floor. That's not some minute and negligible difference where you can say "what's the context?" That's a huge disparity, and the problem with Drummond is he doesn't have the offensive game to nullify/counter that.

How many of those minutes is he on the court with Reggie Jackson?

There are a lot of explanations for that. Lowe wrote an article that you probably read. It's not so cut and dry as, he's not good defensively. Because he certainly (IMO) can be a high-level defender in the right system. SVG is clearly doing something wrong. Drummond is a 6'11" gazelle.

[TurboTitan]

Surely the only way we deal Drummond is the 2017 Brooklyn pick

[hickfromfrenchlick]

same. I want him on the floor to grab the 50/50 balls and do all the things

If you zoom in on the Celtics logo you realize it's actually Smart's face

Holy ****, you're right!



Trade season is the most productive time of the year, hands down.

I dunno...

Are we sure it's not this guy?

[ConstableGeneva]

Adam Himmelsbach (Boston Globe): What trade deadline options are the Celtics exploring?

All indications are that Boston’s potential seismic strike is more likely to come this summer. But that does not mean the trade deadline will pass with no movement.

The Celtics have identified a small group of role players they could have interest in acquiring, and Suns forward P.J. Tucker is among them. But Boston will not go overboard or hinder its flexibility chasing these deals, and it has no plans to relinquish a future first-round pick for a player like Tucker, who would simply offer some assistance off the bench, a source said.

When teams have contacted that Celtics about potential trades, the teams “always start” with that Nets pick, a source said. This is considered one of the most talented drafts in years, but the Celtics have made it clear that the Nets pick is not untouchable.

For now, the Celtics would just like to have a sustained stretch in which they are completely healthy. There is cautious optimism that guard Avery Bradley (Achilles’) and forward Jaylen Brown (hip flexor) will both return to face the Raptors on Friday night. Within the organization there is a belief that chasing the Cavaliers with this team, then moving forward with free-agent flexibility and a top draft pick this summer might be the wisest approach.

But if there is a sudden opportunity to make a big splash, the Celtics will not be afraid to test the waters.

[Jingles]

I would be shocked if Ainge were genuinely interested in Drummond. He doesn't fit anything they do on offense, and forces Horford permanently to the 4 on D. I'm not sure which of those is more troubling. He's not a Cousins-level headcase and is signed long-term already, but he lacks all of the versatility that made Boogie appealing as an on-court fit.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Surely the only way we deal Drummond is the 2017 Brooklyn pick

Cool. Talk to the Kings fans, who said something similar.

You're on the treadmill. We're not helping you get off. Sorry.

[Celtics_Champs]

Mid day show on EEI terrible as usual. Muttnansky wants the Celtics to give up the farm for jimmy butler and when a caller made the point that the birds, magics, Jordan's, Duncan's, Shaqs and Lebrons of the world win titles and not guys like Jimmy he didn't know what to do and just started yelling.

Holley and Keefe are the only thing on that station worth a damn

Neither station actually knows anything about basketball. Nothing angers me more than these overpaid clowns to skip watching every single regular season game and then playoff time comes around and they break down why the Celtics lost. Then have the balls to blame it on one player and or coach or ainge.

[ConstableGeneva]

Spoiler:

If you zoom in on the Celtics logo you realize it's actually Smart's face

Holy ****, you're right!



Trade season is the most productive time of the year, hands down.

I dunno...

Are we sure it's not this guy?

Or IT was just making a shoutout to his assistant coach...

[OFWGKTA]

Refresh Celtics board, read all 2 new posts, go to Chicago board read 2 new posts, go to New York board read 2 posts, go to Toronto board read 2 posts, go to Trade board read 2 posts, repeat

edit: Also "less than a minute ago" lasts A LOT longer than it feels sometimes

[Homerclease]

Spoiler:

Holy ****, you're right!



Trade season is the most productive time of the year, hands down.

I dunno...

Are we sure it's not this guy?

Or IT was just making a shoutout to his assistant coach...

Oh man, bobby and Jay in a staring contest. Has to happen.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Just got an alert on my phone from the score that says the bulls are not interested in moving Butler. Not sure that means a whole lot.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

The Bulls are now telling teams they're not interested in trading away Jimmy Butler. Lol. I guess GarPax really enjoy staying in shape by staying on that treadmill. Will be fun beating them in the 1st round.

[Homerclease]

Mid day show on EEI terrible as usual. Muttnansky wants the Celtics to give up the farm for jimmy butler and when a caller made the point that the birds, magics, Jordan's, Duncan's, Shaqs and Lebrons of the world win titles and not guys like Jimmy he didn't know what to do and just started yelling.

Holley and Keefe are the only thing on that station worth a damn

Neither station actually knows anything about basketball. Nothing angers me more than these overpaid clowns to skip watching every single regular season game and then playoff time comes around and they break down why the Celtics lost. Then have the balls to blame it on one player and or coach or ainge.

Holley and Keefe have been great without Dale who's obviously a hockey guy. I don't get 98.5 out this way to hear felger and Mazz though. I'm only able to catch them on comcast and when I do it usually isn't worth my time. I know felger is a bucks fan and Mazz hates basketball so there isn't really much there for me

[sully00]

We are attached to him because he is really freaking good, not to mention that there is actually evidence that Drummond makes his team's defense worse.

I'm a UConn fan, so I love Drummond and I would love to have him, but I'm not about to trade Smart for him.

Bradley? Sure. Smart? No.

What evidence is there that Drummond makes his team's defense worse?

I mean, the Pistons' defense is 10 points better per 100 possessions when he is off the floor. That's not some minute and negligible difference where you can say "what's the context?" That's a huge disparity, and the problem with Drummond is he doesn't have the offensive game to nullify/counter that.

I would say there is a massive problem with that statistic or the way you are using it. Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating are what you are talking about the estimate of points per 100 possessions. Drummond leads the NBA with a defensive rating of 98 and has for the last two seasons. The Pistons are 7th in the NBA in defensive rating as a team 106.9 essentially the exact opposite of what your citing.

If I am looking at this page
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drumman01/on-off/2017
I am pretty sure -11.4 in Defensive Rating is a good thing. They give up 11.4 points per 100 possessions less with Drummond on the floor.

[CelticsLV]

Detroit definitely could decide to go different route. They are close to their ceiling and about to go in lux tax with KCP deal. Flip Jackson's 4 year deal for shorter deal like Rubio's, trade Drummond for some assets to start rebuild and also trade KCP for something to dodge his upcomming longterm deal.

Amir + Bradley + Rozier + BK18 for Drummond + Caldwell-Pope

Bradley could finish out season with Detroit and then get traded for additional assets in the offseason instead of paying KCP his 20mil/year while stuck in mediocrity. With BK18 they can pick new big man prospect on a cheap deal or maybe they are high on Zizič and take him.

Not that i want Drummond, just going with a crowd and speculating.

[amory87]

Adam Himmelsbach (Boston Globe): What trade deadline options are the Celtics exploring?

All indications are that Boston’s potential seismic strike is more likely to come this summer.

*sigh*, of course it is. Just like every year, until it doesn't.

I really hope Fultz and/or Ball are the next big thing, because that's gonna be the addition to our team next year. Not an established NBA player.

Meanwhile Bradley, Smart, and IT will all be one year closer to free agency

[sully00]

Surely the only way we deal Drummond is the 2017 Brooklyn pick

That is fair but wouldn't the '18 be attractive option as well? The Nets aren't going anywhere and there are bigs available Boston is likely sending you a guard in this trade.

[aim2please]

Adam Himmelsbach (Boston Globe): What trade deadline options are the Celtics exploring?

Spoiler:

All indications are that Boston’s potential seismic strike is more likely to come this summer. But that does not mean the trade deadline will pass with no movement.

The Celtics have identified a small group of role players they could have interest in acquiring, and Suns forward P.J. Tucker is among them. But Boston will not go overboard or hinder its flexibility chasing these deals, and it has no plans to relinquish a future first-round pick for a player like Tucker, who would simply offer some assistance off the bench, a source said.

When teams have contacted that Celtics about potential trades, the teams “always start” with that Nets pick, a source said. This is considered one of the most talented drafts in years, but the Celtics have made it clear that the Nets pick is not untouchable.

For now, the Celtics would just like to have a sustained stretch in which they are completely healthy. There is cautious optimism that guard Avery Bradley (Achilles’) and forward Jaylen Brown (hip flexor) will both return to face the Raptors on Friday night. Within the organization there is a belief that chasing the Cavaliers with this team, then moving forward with free-agent flexibility and a top draft pick this summer might be the wisest approach.

But if there is a sudden opportunity to make a big splash, the Celtics will not be afraid to test the waters.

Like Bulpett, this guy is usually on point. Call him wet blanket 2.0 if you will, but he's objective and not trying to get clicks/make people post itshappening.gif after reading his stuff. Standing pat, maybe adding a guy like Tucker for Wolves 2nd rounder looks reasonable.