What will it take for Ballmer to admit that the GM/Coach Doc experiment has failed?

[Akklaim1]

Let's not give too much credit to the GSW front office. They got lucky that Curry's fragile ankle was a blessing in disguise. Otherwise, he'd be a $20 million a year guy and no way the Warriors would have a deep bench through signing free agents.

[og15]

Yea, if not for the ankle injuries his contract status would likely have mirrored James Harden's.

13-14: $13.7 million instead of $9.9 million
14-15: $14.7 million instead of $10.6 million
15-16: $15.8 million instead of $11.4 million
(possible contract re-negotiation / extension here)
(if he took the extension)
16-17: $26.5 million instead of $12.1 million
(if he waited on the extension to improve the team which is logical)
16-17: $16.9 million

I would certainly make things a little tighter for the Warriors in terms of fitting in all the additions they have made. I don't know the particulars of if they would have been able to sign Iguodala in free agency in summer 2013 if Curry's extension wasn't $3.7 million lower than what it would have been if not for the injury.

That said, they still deserve credit, they are certainly better than Doc and his crew. They have used 10 days via D-League and 2nd round picks and sifted through and found some useful players to fill out the end of their bench. They made logical signings. I wanted the Clippers to sign Shaun Livingston for about two seasons before he went to the Warriors including the summer he went there.

[Ranma]

I find it disheartening that Shaun Livingston and Eric Gordon, two players we all liked and most wanted back on the team, are now significant members in helping both their respective teams place higher than the Clippers in the conference rankings.

[GuyverX]

I find it disheartening that Shaun Livingston and Eric Gordon, two players we all liked and most wanted back on the team, are now significant members in helping both their respective teams place higher than the Clippers in the conference rankings.

To be fair, we received the best PG in franchise history for EJ, so don't feel too bad. It's a shame Livingston had that freak accident that screwed up any chance he had at becoming our franchise superstar, though. He still has game but I think we all thought he was destined for greatness when he first stepped on the court with that fro.

[Clemenza]

It would be a dream to have a real GM in place again. Its been a nightmare with Doc running the team

[og15]

I don't know what you are talking about. What is this "real GM" you speak of? Don't know what that is, all I know is trading 1st, what else is there? You're crazy.

[MrHill]

Glen "Big Baby" Davis to Chris Broussard, on Glenn "Doc" Rivers:

What Doc had in '08 [with the Boston Celtics] was special and he was lucky as hell … Lucky as hell. The year before that they was wearing trash bags … But then the next year they win it, now he is one of the best coaches ever? I'm just not feeling that. You know what I mean? You give credit to KG [Kevin Garnett]. You give credit to Paul Pierce. You give credit to Ray Allen. Those are the guys who made sure whatever Doc needed to be done, got done.

[GuyverX]

Glen "Big Baby" Davis to Chris Broussard, on Glenn "Doc" Rivers:

What Doc had in '08 [with the Boston Celtics] was special and he was lucky as hell … Lucky as hell. The year before that they was wearing trash bags … But then the next year they win it, now he is one of the best coaches ever? I'm just not feeling that. You know what I mean? You give credit to KG [Kevin Garnett]. You give credit to Paul Pierce. You give credit to Ray Allen. Those are the guys who made sure whatever Doc needed to be done, got done.

I'm not a Doc Rivers fan but this is just sour grapes after the way he left the team. He also says Chris Paul dribbles too much and doesn't pass the ball.

[nickhx2]

eh, i liked him but honestly the dude is a straight punk

[Akklaim1]

Was this guy high? CP3 is the last guy you want to accuse of being a ball hog.

[nickhx2]

glen davis being randomly benched during the RS on occasion makes all kinds of sense now.

[Akklaim1]

I find it interesting that Big Baby found a way to have a SECOND stint with a coach he supposedly disliked.

[Wammy Giveaway]

When it's from 16 Wins A Ring, it's official.

Source: https://16winsaring.com/twitter-mailbag-trade-deadline-inside-the-nba-pizza-preferences-vegemite-fad620df208e#.rfeuyj27n

Doc Rivers is a bad GM. Every move he made has been criticized, including the trade for Austin (which has worked out). Could the trade for [Carmelo Anthony] erase all of his past GM mistakes, or put his NBA credibility as coach and GM in jeopardy?

Austin Rivers has become a reasonable NBA player, I know people still deny it, but it’s becoming true. If he was shipped for Carmelo Anthony by the Clippers he shapes as the key piece in that deal if you jump on the Trade Machine (though any trade likely requires a third team, which changes the dynamic).

No, a trade for a soon to be 33 year old Anthony does not vindicate Doc Rivers shortcoming as an executive. He should stick to coaching, where’s he already on somewhat thin ice in Los Angeles.

The Clippers are approaching some serious questions if they can’t get it together before the season is out.

[Ranma]

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[donemilio21]

NBA has a salary cap. No matter how rich you are, you cannot pay your way to get all the top stars. But there is no salary cap for GMs and coaches. You can get the best GM and the best coach, if you wanted to. Your GM would create the most talented team he can within the salary cap rules, and your coach would get them to play the best basketball possible.

Hey Ballmer! Fire your coach, fire your GM, and hire the best in the business to run your organization and team.

[QRich3]

So who's this best coach in the business that the Clippers can hire if they fire Doc then? does he have a name or is he just some imaginary fairy tale?

[MartinToVaught]

This team has quit on Doc. At this point, it's beyond obvious to everyone except Ballmer that he needs to go.

[Clemenza]

So who's this best coach in the business that the Clippers can hire if they fire Doc then? does he have a name or is he just some imaginary fairy tale?

Need a real GM in place first then get a young up and coming coach. The assistant who's up next in league circles. A X & O's guy that develops youngsters and has no loyalty to players. It doesn't have to be a big name brand coach all the time. This **** right now is spiraling out of control. Doc seems to be in over his head

[Ranma]

I've previously proposed going after Golden State's assistant GM Travis Schlenk to be our GM while also presenting Mike Krzyzewski as our top target to pursue as head coach. Yeah, Coach K is a Duke lifer and all that, but it doesn't hurt to try to offer him a new challenge to change the culture of a historically troubled NBA franchise. People thought Brad Stevens--my previous dream coaching target--was unvailable until the Celtics got him.

By the way, I'm way past being sick of the Doc apologists' excuses for keeping him around. He's had way more time than reasonable and it's been abundantly clear that he can't win without providing him even more talent despite the amount of star-power and assets he was handed when he took the job. Dude doesn't like to rebuild because he can't. Just look at his reluctance to focus on developing or even investing in young talent outside of his blood relatives.

[MartinToVaught]

Ballmer should call up the best coaches in Europe. This team needs a coach who can make adjustments and schemes that work, but they also need a coach who will instill discipline and not blow smoke up their behinds.