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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#301 » by Roy Tarpley » Wed Mar 1, 2017 3:38 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:The real question is who the Dems need to nominate to take out Trump in 2020?

Those who think that Dems need to go left would say someone like Bernie or Warren.

Those who think that Dems need to pick a mainstream candidate might argue for Booker or Gillibrand.

I think Trump can botch up EVERYTHING (like he has been) but if he just follows through on getting jobs for folks in the Rust Belt, he's in good shape unfortunately.



If the DNC backs a mainstream corporatist like Corey Booker they will LOSE. they need to put up a candidate that appeals to all working class voters, not just the ones in coastal populations who are going to vote D regardless. Booker is all about appeasing corporate donors, not actually what is best for his constituents. People are tired of that garbage which is why two populist candidates like trump and sanders made serious noise.

Clinton's loss should have been a wake up call to the corporate Democratic establishment. They need to appeal to everyone, because mixed in there with the far right nut jobs that voted for Trump are people that could have been swung towards voting Democratic had Clinton actually attempted to talk to these people and address their concerns, not every fly over state white voter voted for Trump based off of dog whistling, and those are the people that Sanders had in his pocket.

Trump isn't going to bring back any jobs. His behavior out of the gate has reeked of crony capitalism and self enrichment, he's going to hammer the poor and bleed the middle class while the top dogs get off even easier. It will take about a year and a half for the independents/republicans to turn on him, and the only people that will still be clinging to him are the cultist nut jobs that scream "fake news! fake news!" while running to refresh Breitbart and Infowars' home page every other hour.


I hear you, I think the Dems need to go left. The problems I see are:

- Bernie will be like 80.
- Warren can pick up the mantle, but the more I hear her speak, the more goofy she seems, almost so focused on her message that she comes off a little stiff.
- Same thing with Booker. Not only is he corporatist, but he also seems a little contrived the more I see him. Obama was authentically cool, Booker almost seems like he's trying too hard.
- Trump will have a low bar. He doesn't need to be a historically great president to be re-elected. He just needs to convince the WI, MI, OH, PA voters that he followed through on his promises. So far, he's doing that. It's clear that many voters don't care about this lying and kitty grabbing as long as he does the things he said he'd do (e.g., do something about Obamacare, do the infrastructure spending, support protectionist trade deals, support a tax holiday that gets some corporate money back into the U.S., and spout his anti-immigration/anti-terrorism stuff). He can easily do this. The problem is that people will continue to vote against their interests. For example, Sam Brownback is KILLING Kansas with his tax cut agenda but he got re-elected again!
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Re: Official Current Affairs & Politics thread 

Post#302 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 1, 2017 3:49 pm

shakendfries wrote:I can't tell if you're trolling or just a moron. You've gone from denying the existence of leaks, to denying the existence of conspiracy against Sanders, to denying DNC party leaders and candidates explicitly & successfully pressuring media outlets to soften their criticism of Clinton, to denying the reports of corruption that have followed Hilary Clinton and her foundation for 20 years, to denying that Americans, by and large, did not favor her presidency, to deflecting the blame for democratic political ruin across every elected government branch in this past election, to blaming Obama for Hilary's loss.


You're calling me a moron when you're the one peddling every conspiracy theory you hear on the internet.

I never denied the existence of leaks.

There is no proof of any rigging against Sanders. You keep saying there is, but there isn't.

There is no evidence of serious corruption in the Clinton Foundation.

Americans did favor Clinton, by voting for her more than both Obama and Trump.

I never blamed Obama for Hillary's loss. You just made that up.

Everything I've said is true. I don't see how you're disputing any of it besides framing me as crazy.


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Hillary Clinton received money from and supported nations that she KNEW funded ISIS and terrorists
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5469
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1828
“...the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.”
“Clintons should know better than to raise money from folks whose primary concern has been supporting the NIAC, a notorious supporter of the Radical Islamic Mullahs. "The Clinton’s have thrown principle out the window in exchange for cold hard cash...putting money ahead of principle.”

Hillary's Chief of Staff admits in the 2nd link that foreign interests sway Hillary to do what they want her to do (money for mandatory appearances). She also admits that the "Friend of Hillary" list is available and rentable to people who want to influence, but that it’s too sensitive to talk in email.
This leak shows Hillary knows Saudis and Qatar are funding ISIS, which is an enemy of the state. After knowing this, Hillary accepted tens of millions in donations from these terrorist-funding governments (of course they are getting something back in return). She also supported arms deals to them.
Saudi Arabia and Qatar commit horrible acts under Sharia law, including throwing gay people off of buildings, persecuting Christians, Jews, and atheists, and making it legal to rape and beat women. They are the leading funders of Hillary and her campaign through the Clinton Foundation.

Paying people to incite violence and unrest at Trump rallies
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3833
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/31335
“Engage immigrant rights organizations. DREAMers have been bird dogging Republican presidential candidates on DACA/DAPA, but they’ve learned to respond. There’s an opportunity to bird dog and record questions about Trump’s comments and connect it to the policy.”
“It doesn’t matter what the friggin’ legal and ethics people say, we need to win this ****” (from video below)
"I mean honestly, it is not hard to get some of these ass holes to pop off, it’s a matter of showing up, to want to get into the rally, in a Planned Parenthood t-shirt. Or, Trump is a Nazi, you know? You can message to draw them out, and draw them to punch you."

This video is the proof, please watch it!
"Bird-dogging" is a term coined by high level Clinton staffers who openly talk about it in the video. They boast about inciting violence at Trump rallies, paying for every “protest”, manipulating Americans through the media to think that Trump is dangerous, and tricking people into thinking Trump supporters are violent and bad.
They laugh about paying off mentally ill and homeless people for years to incite violence against conservatives. Truly despicable. And they pretended to be Bernie supporters while they were "protesting".
They admit to starting the Chicago riot where police were seriously hurt, and admit to shutting down the freeway in Arizona, partnering with Black Lives Matter. We even have proof that Hillary paid people to shut down the Chicago rally.
Inciting a riot is illegal under 18 US Code § 2102.
They also think 50% of people in Iowa and Wisconsin are racists, as they state in the video.
Robby Mook, Clinton Campaign Manager, mentions the Priorities SuperPAC in a leak, which is implicated in the video.
Bob Creamer (who was fired) claims in the video that the campaign knew about everything. Bob Creamer visited the White House 340 times and personally met with Obama 45 times.


Hillary deleted her incriminating emails. State covered it up. Asked about using White House executive privilege to hide from Congress.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9272#efmBI2BOJ
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9545
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34370
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32007
"They do not plan to release anything publicly, so no posting online or anything public-facing, just to the committee."
"That of course includes the emails Sid turned over that HRC didn't, which will make clear to them that she didn't have them in the first place, deleted them, or didn't turn them over. It also includes emails that HRC had that Sid didn't.”
“Think we should hold emails to and from potus? That's the heart of his exec privilege. We could get them to ask for that. They may not care, but I seems like they will.”
"We brought up the existence of emails in reserach this summer but were told that everything was taken care of."
"That of course includes the emails Sid turned over that HRC didn't, which will make clear to them that she didn't have them in the first place, deleted them, or didn't turn them over."

The State Department was:
(1) Coordinating with the Clinton political campaign.
(2) Colluding with the press to spin it positively.
(3) Doing so BEFORE they released it to AN EQUAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. The Clinton campaign was always a step ahead of the committee investigating them. Shameful.
Nick states "Just spoke to State" He goes on to reveal that State colluded with him about which emails are being revealed to committee and that the State plans to plant a story with AP.
Shows intent to withhold emails from the subpoena.

Hillary caught on tape about rigging the Palestine election

(audio) https://soundcloud.com/user-30899546/hrc-determine-who-win-1

“I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake. And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”

According to an article by The Observer, "On September 5, 2006, Eli Chomsky was an editor and staff writer for the Jewish Press, and Hillary Clinton was running for a shoo-in re-election as a U.S. senator. Her trip making the rounds of editorial boards brought her to Brooklyn to meet the editorial board of the Jewish Press. The tape was never released and has only been heard by the small handful of Jewish Press staffers in the room. According to Chomsky, his old-school audiocassette is the only existent copy and no one has heard it since 2006, until today when he played it for the Observer. The tape is 45 minutes and contains much that is no longer relevant."
Chomsky recalls being taken aback that “anyone could support the idea - offered by a national political leader, no less - that the U.S. should be in the business of fixing foreign elections.”
This is 100% proof that she is willing to debauch an electoral process. This also shows that she knows what it takes to rig an election.

Hillary cheated in debates: DNC head Donna Brazile caught giving MULTIPLE debate questions to Hillary
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5205
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/39807
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/38478
“From time to time I get the questions in advance… Here’s one that worries me about HRC [death penalty].”
"I rarely hear it. I'll send a few more. Though some questions Roland submitted"
"One of the questions directed to HRC tomorrow is from a woman with a rash"
"Her family has lead poison and she will ask what, if anything, will Hillary do as president to help the ppl of Flint."
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Here is video proof of the question Donna Brazile sent. In the video, you can SEE Hillary looking down at her script to answer the question. Notice how Hillary has an extremely detailed response citing a dozen different things. Yet another scripted Hillary moment as you will see throughout these leaks.
The question about the death penalty was asked almost verbatim by CNN the next night. Here is video evidence showing it.
These are two clear instances and proof of Donna Brazile giving debate questions to Hillary's team. She tried hard to defend herself the first time in a cringe-worthy interview with FOX's Megyn Kelly. Donna dodged, pivoted, avoided the accusations and claimed she was "being persecuted" for being asked about leaking the question to Hillary so she could cheat.
A day before the 2nd leak implicating Donna Brazile, she wrote on Twitter, "Please God, let this end soon"
Shortly after this revelation came out, Donna Brazile (awaiting her resignation) wrote this on Twitter: "Thank you @CNN. Honored to be a Democratic Strategist and commentator on the network. Godspeed to all my former colleagues."
CNN wrote, "We are completely uncomfortable with what we have learned about her interactions with the Clinton campaign while she was a CNN contributor."
Remember, Donna Brazile worked for CNN and the first debate question was released through CNN. The network that has been caught colluding with the Hillary campaign and in their own words, "doing everything [they] can to give [Hillary] a free ride" is implicated just as much as Donna Brazile and has no room to take the high road here.
Assuming she is fired from the DNC (based on news, it seems likely as she was already fired from CNN), this would be the second head of the DNC to be fired in less than a year due to extremely unethical collusion with Hillary's campaign. The first (Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) was hired by Hillary herself after she was fired by the DNC. Maybe Donna Brazile will follow suit.

Rigging the primaries against Bernie Sanders (DNC favored Hillary)

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11056
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5477
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/9999%20
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7643
“Wondering if there’s a good Bernie narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess. Specifically, DWS [DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz] had to call Bernie directly in order to get the campaign to do things because they’d either ignored or forgotten to something critical.”
“[Bernie is] someone who has never been a member of the Democratic Party and has no understanding of what we do.”
“He isn't going to be president.”
“[F]or KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.”
“If she outperforms this polling, the Bernie camp will go nuts and allege misconduct. They’ll probably complain regardless, actually."

These emails were written by several leaders in the DNC. They are not supposed to take sides yet they clearly did months before any votes were cast. After the DNC leaks, their leader Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was fired, but immediately joined the Hillary Clinton campaign… think about that for a second. Remember… Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was placed at the top of the DNC once someone else stepped down, none other than Tim Kaine. In a later leak, we learn that Tim Kaine was promised VP a year in advance, so the pieces were put in place to get Hillary nominated.
They even tried to attack his belief system. Hillary’s campaign has been helped and manufactured since the very beginning.
There were statistical anomalies in the primaries. In states with only electronic voting machines, Hillary grossly out-performed exit polls, but when their were paper ballots/paper trail, exit polls matched the results.
Bernie Sanders activist and process server Shawn Lucas served the DNC Services Corp. and Chairperson Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at DNC’s headquarters in a fraud class action suit against the Democrat Party on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters. He was found dead a few weeks later on his bathroom floor.

Rigging the primaries against Bernie Sanders (Hillary’s team)

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5423
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10669#efmAO0APKAPMATG
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5688
"Bernie and his people have been bitching about super delegates and the huge percentage that have come out for Hillary… We want [Bernie supporters] to go home happy and enthusiastic in working their asses off for Hillary. Why not throw Bernie a bone . . . his people will think they've "won" something from the Party Establishment. And it functionally doesn't make any difference anyway. They win. We don't lose. Everyone is happy."
“I am doing the opposite, repeatedly writing friendly and positive pieces about Bernie as an HRC supporter, and when the time is right I will have money in the bank with him and his people as a liberal to urge them to come out in force to vote for HRC.”
"Frankly I thought it was dumb for McCaskill and Gutierrez to be attacking Bernie. We are going to need his voters to turn out in November for HRC, he won’t be nominated.”
"Through internal discussions, we concluded that it was in our interest to: 1) limit the number of debates (and the number in each state); 2) start the debates as late as possible; 3) keep debates out of the busy window between February 1 and February 27, 2016 (Iowa to South Carolina); 4) create a schedule that would allow the later debates to be cancelled if the race is for practical purposes over.”

The person who wrote the superdelegate rules advises the Clinton Campaign how to create an illusion that Bernie people won something so they would work hard for Hillary after she is nominated. More shocking is the fact that they admit that the superdelegates are undemocratic. This guy flat out admitted that he rigged the system, and is proud of it.
There was also a man who was acting as a mole for Bernie and writing positive/negative things about him then using that reputation to sway Bernie supporters to Hillary.
Lastly, we see how to rig the debate schedule to be more favorable to her. One on one debates would have been better for Bernie Sanders, so they wanted to avoid that at all costs. They also wanted to limit the number of debates, and start them late to minimize the impact of the debates.
Hillary is also on audio insulting Bernie supporters by calling them "basement dwellers".

Clinton Foundation schemed with Big Pharma: keep the price of AIDS drugs high in America and NO to cheaper generic versions

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/24440
“Since President Clinton’s comments were made, we have been contacted by a number of advocacy groups who are now intending to wage a public campaign to bring in generics and lower drug prices. We do not feel we can participate in this without jeopardizing our work around the world. We cannot oppose what they might do, but we also cannot be publicly supporting it either.”
“we think that publicly pressuring the US and European AIDS drug companies to lower prices and bringing pressure to allow generic AIDS drugs into the United States will have limited if any success and could seriously jeopardize our negotiations to continually lower prices in poor countries… We have always told the drug companies that we would not pressure them”
"We have always told the drug companies that we would not pressure them and create a slippery slope where prices they negotiate with us for poor countries would inevitably lead to similar prices in rich countries."
"we suggest that we approach the innovator companies that can currently sell products in the US with the idea of making donations to help clear the ADAP lists."
"the companies will likely favor a donation approach rather than one that erodes prices across the board. I would guess that they would also likely favor a solution that involved their drugs rather than an approach that allowed generic drugs from India to flood the US market at low prices or one that set a precedent of waiving patent laws on drugs."

When the Clintons are questioned about the obvious sketchiness of their foundation, they routinely cite AIDS work. But the AIDS work is carried out by CHAI ("Clinton Health Access Initiative"), a separate organization.
CHAI freely admits there is an implicit agreement with the drug companies not to pressure them to lower domestic prices. Bill Clinton made comments that added pressure. CHAI receives a great amount of positive publicity for their AIDS work abroad, and the comments jeopardize that program. Here, CHAI admits it is in their interests for U.S. AIDS drug prices to remain high, so that they can continue getting credit for keeping them low abroad.
But CHAI is not content with simply fleecing American AIDS sufferers. Since CHAI doesn't want pressure on Pharma companies to linger, they propose to torpedo other AIDS advocacy groups by creating a smaller, watered-down domestic program with the Pharma companies before those other advocacy groups begin their assault in January.
The Clintons are only out for themselves. In comments on World AIDS day in the subsequent years of 2012 and 2013, Bill says nothing whatsoever about domestic drug prices. If AIDS advocacy groups cannot trust the Clintons not to stab them in the back, how can the American people?
Also remember, the Clinton foundation only donates 5.6% of their earnings to charity, despite Hillary knowingly and blatantly lying to the American people by claiming they donated 90% at the last debate, but she is counting on you to not do research, and her mainstream media to not report it.

Democrats created fake Trump "grope under the meeting table"
Craigslist employment ad in May 2016

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803
“Like it or not, he may greet you with a kiss on the lips or grope you under the meeting table.”
“As long as all the offensive **** is verbatim I’m fine with it.”

Childish behavior from the people Hillary wants to help her run the country. Also references groping, which they are trying so hard (with the media’s help) to push forward.
The reason this is damning is because it shows they were planning this way back in May, these "accusations" are not spontaneous.

Rigging media polls through oversampling
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/26551/7326
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15442
“I also want to get your Atlas folks to recommend oversamples for our polling before we start in February.”
“so we can maximize what we get out of our media polling.”
[For Arizona] “Research, microtargeting & polling projects - Over-sample Hispanics… - Over-sample the Native American population”
[For Florida] “On Independents: Tampa and Orlando are better persuasion targets than north or south Florida (check your polls before concluding this). If there are budget questions or oversamples, make sure that Tampa and Orlando are included first.
[For National] “General election benchmark, 800 sample, with potential over samples in key districts/regions - Benchmark polling in targeted races, with ethnic over samples as needed - Targeting tracking polls in key races, with ethnic over samples as needed”
“The plan includes a possible focus on women, might be something we want to do is over sample if we are worried about a certain group later in the summer."

This is why you see the skewed polls show Clinton +12 when other more accurate ones show Trump +2. The high Clinton ones oversample democrats by a HUGE margin to get desired results (sometimes 20-40% more Democrats sampled). Many are created by organizations that donate to Hillary, and some are even conducted by her own SuperPACs!
They do this to make Republican voters feel discouraged and not come out to vote if they think their candidate will lose.
Just look at this example in Arizona: Clinton +5, but Democrats were oversampled by 34% (58 out of 100 Democrats, 24 out of 100 Republicans)! Good lord. Unfortunately the colluding media only reports on the final number, without reporting on the over-sampling.


"Bill Clinton Inc." How millions of dollars were raised for the Clintons. Blurred lines between personal and Foundation money
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32240 (in attachments)
“Throughout the past 11 years since President Clinton left office, I have sought to leverage my activities, including my partner role at Teneo, to support and raise funds … to support the Clinton Foundation and President Clinton personally."
"We also have solicited and obtained, as appropriate, in-kind services for the president and his family – for personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like.”
"...more than $50 million in for-profit activity...”
"We appreciate the unorthodox nature of our roles"
“Need get this asap to them although I'm sure cvc won't believe it to be true bc she doesn't want to Even though the facts speak for themselves. John, I would appreciate your feedback and any suggestions"
"I'm also starting to worry that if this story gets out, we are screwed."

The 12 page document goes in detail over how Bill Clinton monetized the foundation. The basic context is that, at some point in 2011 there was a civil war inside the foundation, with Teneo/Doug Band on one side, and Chelsea Clinton on the other. In this attachment, Band tries to justify himself by going over how much money he has made for the Clintons. It also dispels and puts to rest the notion that the Clintons don't make money from the Foundation. In fact, it demonstrates that the Clinton fortune and the Foundation are indistinguishable and essentially the same, and that donations to the Foundation come with kickbacks for all involved.
The Clinton Foundation even hired a law firm to find out if their pay-to-play scheme would jeopardize their charitable status with the IRS.
Doug Band (who was to Bill what Huma Abedin is to Hillary) described his work as running "Bill Clinton Inc." Essentially, the memo describes Teneo as the revenue-generating arm of Clinton, Inc. - for Clinton speeches, foundation money, etc. It also details quite a bit of offshore money that came in.
Band was selling his clients on idea that giving to the Foundation was a way to bolster their influence.
The second link is more discussion on the infamous Doug Band memo about Teneo, which revealed corruption and inurement by the Clintons. They were using "charity" to personally enrich themselves to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. Doug is worried that if the "story gets out" Teneo, the company involved in the scheme will have to be shut down completely and that they "would be screwed."

Acknowledging radical Islam is a real threat and a “serious problem for our future”

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5832
“But even if there weren’t violence, the fact that too many who are for subjugation of women, against gays, against Jews and Christians, etc – is a serious problem for our future. Unfortunately, if you sounded progressive in the Middle East/Pakistan, you’d be putting yourself at security risk.”
“I wouldn’t have picked the fight over “radical islam” to begin with. I’m always happy to just concede that it’s a real thing and define it as a marginalized strain, which she did do today. I told Reid this, and I suggest it to you as well: you just don't want to be on the slippery slope of sounding like an imam who is defining what true islam is… By the way, every time Reid has spoken out in defense of Muslims, it has our most popular messaging of anything we do.”

Her lead donors, Saudi Arabia, wouldn’t want her telling the truth about radical Islam or Sharia law (a.k.a. murdering gay people, oppressing women, genocide against Christians, etc.) So she doesn't even say the word publicly.
She has her public position and then her private one here. Lip service to pander for votes.

Admitting terrorists will infiltrate the Syrian refugee program

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/905
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927
“On Syrian refugees, is it enough to call just for vigilant screening? Shouldn’t we call for a thorough review of how we screen to make sure the procedures are actually up to snuff? I think both the CIA/FBI heads have testified and acknowledged that our screening may not deter terrorists. And I don’t think the american people feel like the screening process is adequate.”
“Hillary Clinton Said Jordan Was Threatened Because ‘They Can’t Possibly Vet All Those Refugees So They Don’t Know If, You Know, Jihadists Are Coming In Along With Legitimate Refugees’.”
“We can throw some more shade at the Arabs…”

Both the CIA and FBI have released statements saying it is impossible to vet all of the Syrian refugees and that ISIS members will most likely infiltrate the refugee program as we have seen many times in Europe.
In public, Hillary's team condemns any notion of preventing the Syrian refugee program from happening. Hillary herself has stated that she wants a 550% increase in Syrian refugees, but behind closed doors, her campaign admits that terrorists will infiltrate the program.
Hillary has publicly stated that she admires Germany's Angela Merkel, in particular her stance on the refugee crisis (which Hillary is partly responsible for). Since the refugee crisis in Germany, rapes have skyrocketed, there are countless no-go zones, and Merkel has become so unpopular because of all this, that her party's numbers and chances of re-election have dwindled immensely.

Hillary took money from foreigners for campaign (illegal)

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/2783
"Hi all – we do need to make a decision on this ASAP as our friends who happen to be registered with FARA are already donating and raising.”
“I'm ok just taking the money and dealing with any attacks. Are you guys ok with that?...Take the money!!”
“If we do it case by case, then it will be subjective. We would look at who the donor is and what foreign entity they are registered for. In judging whether to take the money, we would consider the relationship between that country and the United States, its relationship to the State Department during Hillary's time as Secretary, and its relationship, if any, to the Foundation.”

They basically say it will be handled on a case by case basis based partly on their relations with Hillary when she was Secretary of State and their interaction with the Foundation.
My God. They were all trying their best to actually follow proper procedures, and Mook/Palmieri just sell "hell with it take the money". Watching the rule of law disintegrate in front of our eyes. They know it doesn't matter anymore.
In the 2nd link, Robbie Mook and Huma Abedin reveal Hillary Clinton was soliciting and receiving donations from actors registered under FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act) as part of her campaign funding.

Democrats using American lobbyists to money launder foreign donations illegally

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915
“Take the money!! We're consistently flagging more FARA registrants daily. In terms of # - we're at 27 out of 370 prospective bundlers - but to Jesse's question - that does not represent the costs of how much these folks would likely raise. If we were looking at these folks below on a case by case basis, I'd want to specifically raise: Tony Podesta (Iraq, Azerbaijan, Egypt), Ben Barnes (Libya), John Merrigan (UAE), Wyeth Weidman (Libya), and Mike Driver (UAE connections)...Wyeth Wiedeman Ben Barnes Group National Board for the Following Up and Recovering of the Libyan Looted and Disguised Funds of the Transitional Government of Libya, through Washington African Consulting Group, Inc (12/3/14 - Current)."

Very clear intent to break campaign finance laws. We also once again see Clinton's team say, "Take the money!!" They thought they wouldn't get caught.
This picture describes it.

The New York Times colluding with Hillary, allowed quote edits

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1181
“Margaret, far be it from me what the public editor of the NY Times should focus on, but…”
"These exchanges were pretty interesting ... would love the option to use… I wanted the option to use all — and you could veto what you didn't want."

The Clinton campaign vetoed essentially the entire interview, but even in the portions they did allow for publication, they had Mark Leibovich edit out a mention of Sarah Palin, at Hillary’s personal request.
There are multiple times the NYT has been colluding with Hillary in these leaks, including the fake smears.
This was the article.


Billionaire George Soros has influence over Hillary, ties to election fraud in systems used for U.S. voting

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15201
https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/Clinton_Email_September_Release/C05778285.pdf
“I would only do this for political reasons (ie to make Soros happy)”
“Dear Hillary, A serious situation has arisen in Albania"
"two things need to be done urgently: 1. Bring the full weight of the international community to bear on Prime Minister Berisha and opposition leader Edi Rama to forestall further public demonstrations and to tone down public pronouncements. 2. Appoint a senior European official as a mediator.”

George Soros is a Hungarian billionaire who is Hillary’s largest personal donor, and the main funder of BlackLivesMatter.
Wikileaks also revealed that Soros told Hillary Clinton (as Sec of State) to intervene in Albanian domestic politics and she did it like he requested (in the 3rd quote listed).
A long-time associate of George Soros. Malloch-Brown is also chairman of the board of Smartmatic (the electronic voting machines in 16 states where there are NO paper trails), as well as on the board of Soros' Open Society organization and has written a book called The Unfinished Global Revolution. Malloch-Brown is on record as saying he has become disillusioned with democracy and is active in promoting "a post nation state world" where global citizens "delegate power up to the global level...with an international governance" and architecture.
Smartmatic has been exposed by Wikileaks to be inundated with fraudulent claims, including in Venezuela’s elections.
According to this government report, the Secretary reported that independent experts found that the software in Sequoia voting machines could be made to “shift votes from one candidate to another" and [the shift] was not detectable. The study also state that "Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc. uses vote-counting software developed, owned, and licensed by foreign-Owned Smartmatic" and that "U.S. national security is potentially at risk because software used to count votes in 20% of the country during U.S. elections is owned and controlled by a Venezuelan-run company with ties to the Venezuelan government of Hugo Chávez."
It also appears as if Loretta Lynch had dinner with George Soros in the email, as she is referenced by name.
Here is an interesting article about his history and linking Soros to the Syrian refugee crisis.

Using female senator to conjure fake sexist claims against Bernie

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22224
“...recognizing that conversation would likely get out and could become a part of the narrative against him - that the women senators went to him to ask him to tone it down and to keep the pledge he made to them at the start of the race…”

It's a clear pattern: every opponent of Hillary has ties to Russia, is sexist/sexual offender and an anti-semite
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I'm not interested in spending time going through all of your Russian propaganda.

Wikileaks is nothing but a scheme by Putin/Russia to help Trump win.

All of our intelligence agencies have admitted that Russia interfered with our election. And Trump openly encouraged them to interfere with our election.

We don't know what from these documents are or are not true.

But we do know all they are is an effort from Russia to elect Trump. And they succeeded.
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Post#303 » by Zachbretton » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:27 pm

on the note of good democratic candidates for 2020, I think Gillibrand is actually stepping up in an important time. She has voted very progressive on the major issues and is standing up as a stern opposition to Trump.

Even though I am a far left liberal, I'm aware that progressives will not take over the democratic party and win. Sander and Warren are helping move the party back to the left, which I think will help us win elections. At the end of the day the democrats are for helping to lowest among us, creating a system that allows everyone to prosper, and utilizes the government as a check and balance on the power that be. This is not a message that was properly framed, yet on the core issues are things the majority of americans want. Americans want access and ability to receive health care, they want wages that allow them to live, they want the drug issues in this country fixed, they want advanced infrastructure, they want access to educational opportunities.

The path forward is not the far left or the center, the winning path for democrats will be the area we've left void, the left. We can see this now with the new leadership of the DNC, Perez and Ellison are a mix that allow a clear vision of the democratic left be expanded upon. But the only way to see this work is to start local, and small, something democratics have simply forgotten how to do.

I was a fan of Obama, but he sapped money from the state democrats to a MASSIVE peril. This will not happen again. Sometimes it takes the finally straw to break the camel's back before you recognize you needed a new, younger and stronger camel to get the work done.

2018 and 2020 are also going to be major markers where large swaths of the Millennial generation will become of voting age, and the key to the success of democrats is encouraging their engagement.
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Post#304 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:42 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:The real question is who the Dems need to nominate to take out Trump in 2020?

Those who think that Dems need to go left would say someone like Bernie or Warren.

Those who think that Dems need to pick a mainstream candidate might argue for Booker or Gillibrand.

I think Trump can botch up EVERYTHING (like he has been) but if he just follows through on getting jobs for folks in the Rust Belt, he's in good shape unfortunately.



If the DNC backs a mainstream corporatist like Corey Booker they will LOSE. they need to put up a candidate that appeals to all working class voters, not just the ones in coastal populations who are going to vote D regardless. Booker is all about appeasing corporate donors, not actually what is best for his constituents. People are tired of that garbage which is why two populist candidates like trump and sanders made serious noise.

Clinton's loss should have been a wake up call to the corporate Democratic establishment. They need to appeal to everyone, because mixed in there with the far right nut jobs that voted for Trump are people that could have been swung towards voting Democratic had Clinton actually attempted to talk to these people and address their concerns, not every fly over state white voter voted for Trump based off of dog whistling, and those are the people that Sanders had in his pocket.

Trump isn't going to bring back any jobs. His behavior out of the gate has reeked of crony capitalism and self enrichment, he's going to hammer the poor and bleed the middle class while the top dogs get off even easier. It will take about a year and a half for the independents/republicans to turn on him, and the only people that will still be clinging to him are the cultist nut jobs that scream "fake news! fake news!" while running to refresh Breitbart and Infowars' home page every other hour.


I hear you, I think the Dems need to go left. The problems I see are:

- Bernie will be like 80.
- Warren can pick up the mantle, but the more I hear her speak, the more goofy she seems, almost so focused on her message that she comes off a little stiff.
- Same thing with Booker. Not only is he corporatist, but he also seems a little contrived the more I see him. Obama was authentically cool, Booker almost seems like he's trying too hard.
- Trump will have a low bar. He doesn't need to be a historically great president to be re-elected. He just needs to convince the WI, MI, OH, PA voters that he followed through on his promises. So far, he's doing that. It's clear that many voters don't care about this lying and kitty grabbing as long as he does the things he said he'd do (e.g., do something about Obamacare, do the infrastructure spending, support protectionist trade deals, support a tax holiday that gets some corporate money back into the U.S., and spout his anti-immigration/anti-terrorism stuff). He can easily do this. The problem is that people will continue to vote against their interests. For example, Sam Brownback is KILLING Kansas with his tax cut agenda but he got re-elected again!


The people who are only concerned with primarily Trump's xenophobic promises aren't the voters that democrats need to get over to their side. You can't even remotely concerned with appealing to people like that, they're the ones more concerned about scorched earthing the country just to screw over "them libtards". Appealing to them is a waste of time, similar to Trump realizing quickly that he didn't really need to appeal to minorities or coastal liberals, but the working class whites since he already had the far right nutters in his back pocket.

It's the ones who are concerned about jobs, family support, and healthcare, because those are the ones who Trump is going to screw over. Those are the people Sanders had eating out of his hands in the primaries and those are the people the democrats need to be inclusive towards. Because despite identity politics and labels, working class minorities/whites all have the same general concerns. Poor and uneducated urban and rural populations have similar concerns. Sanders had it right by crafting his message towards that. Only problem that the Democrats have however, is to find a viable candidate.

Trump's military spending and tax cuts for the rich are going to have to give way to some measures of austerity. people are going to suffer, many of them will be Trump supporters in states that he carried. I don't think his reelection is a slam dunk at all, especially with the left starting to mobilize.

I can't speak for what Brownback is doing in Kansas.
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Post#305 » by twosevenstreet » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:26 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Can we please stop spreading the myth that the DNC rigged the primary against Bernie?

He lost by 12% of the vote and had a complete inability to connect with African American or Hispanic voters.

And can anyone point to anything the DNC did to actually make him lose?

He was a one issue candidate that only connected with young people and rural white voters. That's why he lost. Not because of the DNC.



So Tom Perez telling HRC to Cast Sanders As Candidate Of Whites, didn't have an effect on how minorities viewed Bernie?
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Post#306 » by twosevenstreet » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:34 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:The real question is who the Dems need to nominate to take out Trump in 2020?

Those who think that Dems need to go left would say someone like Bernie or Warren.

Those who think that Dems need to pick a mainstream candidate might argue for Booker or Gillibrand.

I think Trump can botch up EVERYTHING (like he has been) but if he just follows through on getting jobs for folks in the Rust Belt, he's in good shape unfortunately.


If we were rating popular dems in Center-left (0) to far left (10)

Booker= 2
Gillibrand= 4
Cuomo= 5
Bernie= 9
Warren= 9
Tim Kaine= 1
Barack= 6
HRC= 1
Keith Ellison= 8
Martin O'Malley= 3

Gary Johnson (not a dem, but for reference)= -2
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Post#307 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:46 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:The real question is who the Dems need to nominate to take out Trump in 2020?

Those who think that Dems need to go left would say someone like Bernie or Warren.

Those who think that Dems need to pick a mainstream candidate might argue for Booker or Gillibrand.

I think Trump can botch up EVERYTHING (like he has been) but if he just follows through on getting jobs for folks in the Rust Belt, he's in good shape unfortunately.


If we were rating popular dems in Center-left (0) to far left (10)

Booker= 2
Gillibrand= 4
Cuomo= 5
Bernie= 9
Warren= 9
Tim Kaine= 1
Barack= 6
HRC= 1
Keith Ellison= 8
Martin O'Malley= 3

Gary Johnson (not a dem, but for reference)= -2


I'd give Barack a 4.
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Post#308 » by twosevenstreet » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:50 pm

Is it wrong that I rated Barack a 6 simply because he was the first black president?
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Post#309 » by shakendfries » Wed Mar 1, 2017 8:00 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
shakendfries wrote:I can't tell if you're trolling or just a moron. You've gone from denying the existence of leaks, to denying the existence of conspiracy against Sanders, to denying DNC party leaders and candidates explicitly & successfully pressuring media outlets to soften their criticism of Clinton, to denying the reports of corruption that have followed Hilary Clinton and her foundation for 20 years, to denying that Americans, by and large, did not favor her presidency, to deflecting the blame for democratic political ruin across every elected government branch in this past election, to blaming Obama for Hilary's loss.


You're calling me a moron when you're the one peddling every conspiracy theory you hear on the internet.

I never denied the existence of leaks.

There is no proof of any rigging against Sanders. You keep saying there is, but there isn't.

There is no evidence of serious corruption in the Clinton Foundation.

Americans did favor Clinton, by voting for her more than both Obama and Trump.

I never blamed Obama for Hillary's loss. You just made that up.

Everything I've said is true. I don't see how you're disputing any of it besides framing me as crazy.

I'm not interested in spending time going through all of your Russian propaganda.

Wikileaks is nothing but a scheme by Putin/Russia to help Trump win.

All of our intelligence agencies have admitted that Russia interfered with our election. And Trump openly encouraged them to interfere with our election.

We don't know what from these documents are or are not true.

But we do know all they are is an effort from Russia to elect Trump. And they succeeded.


Omg, you're right! wow, I never would've imagined they would do something like that! Could you provide some concrete evidence that proves all of this! Everyone should know this stuff!
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Post#310 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 1, 2017 8:03 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Can we please stop spreading the myth that the DNC rigged the primary against Bernie?

He lost by 12% of the vote and had a complete inability to connect with African American or Hispanic voters.

And can anyone point to anything the DNC did to actually make him lose?

He was a one issue candidate that only connected with young people and rural white voters. That's why he lost. Not because of the DNC.



So Tom Perez telling HRC to Cast Sanders As Candidate Of Whites, didn't have an effect on how minorities viewed Bernie?
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/10/11/labor-secretary-advised-clinton-cast-sanders-candidate-whites-turn-minorities


Tom Perez didn't work for the DNC.

Tom Perez is allowed to endorse and campaign for whoever he wants.

That proves nothing.
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Post#311 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 1, 2017 8:06 pm

shakendfries wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
shakendfries wrote:I can't tell if you're trolling or just a moron. You've gone from denying the existence of leaks, to denying the existence of conspiracy against Sanders, to denying DNC party leaders and candidates explicitly & successfully pressuring media outlets to soften their criticism of Clinton, to denying the reports of corruption that have followed Hilary Clinton and her foundation for 20 years, to denying that Americans, by and large, did not favor her presidency, to deflecting the blame for democratic political ruin across every elected government branch in this past election, to blaming Obama for Hilary's loss.


You're calling me a moron when you're the one peddling every conspiracy theory you hear on the internet.

I never denied the existence of leaks.

There is no proof of any rigging against Sanders. You keep saying there is, but there isn't.

There is no evidence of serious corruption in the Clinton Foundation.

Americans did favor Clinton, by voting for her more than both Obama and Trump.

I never blamed Obama for Hillary's loss. You just made that up.

Everything I've said is true. I don't see how you're disputing any of it besides framing me as crazy.

I'm not interested in spending time going through all of your Russian propaganda.

Wikileaks is nothing but a scheme by Putin/Russia to help Trump win.

All of our intelligence agencies have admitted that Russia interfered with our election. And Trump openly encouraged them to interfere with our election.

We don't know what from these documents are or are not true.

But we do know all they are is an effort from Russia to elect Trump. And they succeeded.


Omg, you're right! wow, I never would've imagined they would do something like that! Could you provide some concrete evidence that proves all of this! Everyone should know this stuff!


The FBI, CIA, intelligence committees, and Trump have all admitted Russia interfered in our election.

What more prove do you need?

You're just a fan boy of Wikileaks who can't look at things objectively.
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Post#312 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 1, 2017 8:10 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:The real question is who the Dems need to nominate to take out Trump in 2020?

Those who think that Dems need to go left would say someone like Bernie or Warren.

Those who think that Dems need to pick a mainstream candidate might argue for Booker or Gillibrand.

I think Trump can botch up EVERYTHING (like he has been) but if he just follows through on getting jobs for folks in the Rust Belt, he's in good shape unfortunately.


If we were rating popular dems in Center-left (0) to far left (10)

Booker= 2
Gillibrand= 4
Cuomo= 5
Bernie= 9
Warren= 9
Tim Kaine= 1
Barack= 6
HRC= 1
Keith Ellison= 8
Martin O'Malley= 3

Gary Johnson (not a dem, but for reference)= -2


Pretty ridiculous to put HRC at a 1.

She campaigned to the left of Obama on several issues.

I think the best candidates for 2020 would be someone like Jason Kander or Pete Buttigieg.

Young people from Red States, that don't have any baggage. Problem is they need to earn elected positions first.
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Post#313 » by shakendfries » Wed Mar 1, 2017 8:18 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:

You're calling me a moron when you're the one peddling every conspiracy theory you hear on the internet.

I never denied the existence of leaks.

There is no proof of any rigging against Sanders. You keep saying there is, but there isn't.

There is no evidence of serious corruption in the Clinton Foundation.

Americans did favor Clinton, by voting for her more than both Obama and Trump.

I never blamed Obama for Hillary's loss. You just made that up.

Everything I've said is true. I don't see how you're disputing any of it besides framing me as crazy.

I'm not interested in spending time going through all of your Russian propaganda.

Wikileaks is nothing but a scheme by Putin/Russia to help Trump win.

All of our intelligence agencies have admitted that Russia interfered with our election. And Trump openly encouraged them to interfere with our election.

We don't know what from these documents are or are not true.

But we do know all they are is an effort from Russia to elect Trump. And they succeeded.


Omg, you're right! wow, I never would've imagined they would do something like that! Could you provide some concrete evidence that proves all of this! Everyone should know this stuff!


The FBI, CIA, intelligence committees, and Trump have all admitted Russia interfered in our election.

What more prove do you need?

You're just a fan boy of Wikileaks who can't look at things objectively.


Wait, are these the very same agencies that had also threatened to bring charges against Hilary, and also re-open the investigation into her e-mails, regarding these leaks?
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Post#314 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:19 pm

shakendfries wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
Omg, you're right! wow, I never would've imagined they would do something like that! Could you provide some concrete evidence that proves all of this! Everyone should know this stuff!


The FBI, CIA, intelligence committees, and Trump have all admitted Russia interfered in our election.

What more prove do you need?

You're just a fan boy of Wikileaks who can't look at things objectively.


Wait, are these the very same agencies that had also threatened to bring charges against Hilary, and also re-open the investigation into her e-mails, regarding these leaks?


What does that have to do with anything?

The FBI investigated Hillary multiple times and found nothing.
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Post#315 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:21 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:Is it wrong that I rated Barack a 6 simply because he was the first black president?


well, skin color doesn't really measure how far someone goes on a political spectrum, you have black americans that are center right or even hard right (and frankly, I question the mental state of those that are because they're lying in bed with alt right lunatics and somehow think that they're special and aren't subject to racism from these neo nazis because they aren't liberals :crazy:). African Americans collectively actually have conservative stances on more than few things, it's just that the GOP has been dog whistling so hard since Nixon that they've alienated an entire group of americans.

back to Barack imo I'd say he's definitely corporate friendly, center-left but not as far left as the right wingers like to paint him as and didn't go full blown center right like Bill Clinton did either.
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Post#316 » by Papi_swav » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:22 pm

Does anybody have any opinions on that Pizzagate thing? I'm not sure if we can talk about stuff like that here but the things that I'm hearing about it is kind of blowing my mind.
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Post#317 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:24 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
twosevenstreet wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:The real question is who the Dems need to nominate to take out Trump in 2020?

Those who think that Dems need to go left would say someone like Bernie or Warren.

Those who think that Dems need to pick a mainstream candidate might argue for Booker or Gillibrand.

I think Trump can botch up EVERYTHING (like he has been) but if he just follows through on getting jobs for folks in the Rust Belt, he's in good shape unfortunately.


If we were rating popular dems in Center-left (0) to far left (10)

Booker= 2
Gillibrand= 4
Cuomo= 5
Bernie= 9
Warren= 9
Tim Kaine= 1
Barack= 6
HRC= 1
Keith Ellison= 8
Martin O'Malley= 3

Gary Johnson (not a dem, but for reference)= -2


Pretty ridiculous to put HRC at a 1.

She campaigned to the left of Obama on several issues.


are we talking about in the primaries versus Barack, or in last year's election?
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Post#318 » by shakendfries » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:25 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
The FBI, CIA, intelligence committees, and Trump have all admitted Russia interfered in our election.

What more prove do you need?

You're just a fan boy of Wikileaks who can't look at things objectively.


Wait, are these the very same agencies that had also threatened to bring charges against Hilary, and also re-open the investigation into her e-mails, regarding these leaks?


What does that have to do with anything?

The FBI investigated Hillary multiple times and found nothing.


Wait...so Debbie Wasserman Schultz was fired because of valid information contained in the leaks, Donna Brazile was fired because of valid information contained in the leaks, and the FBI conducted an investigation because of information contained in the leaks, but you're convinced that the evidence contained in the leaks is fabricated?

Do you have any concrete evidence that any single e-mail contained in the Wikileaks data dump is invalid?
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Post#319 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:28 pm

Papi_swav wrote:Does anybody have any opinions on that Pizzagate thing? I'm not sure if we can talk about stuff like that here but the things that I'm hearing about it is kind of blowing my mind.


Are we talking about that crap where that neo nazi nutjob er i mean alt righter went into that pizza place armed looking to rescue non existent child sex slaves based off of whatever he was reading on breitbart/infowars?
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Post#320 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:59 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
twosevenstreet wrote:
If we were rating popular dems in Center-left (0) to far left (10)

Booker= 2
Gillibrand= 4
Cuomo= 5
Bernie= 9
Warren= 9
Tim Kaine= 1
Barack= 6
HRC= 1
Keith Ellison= 8
Martin O'Malley= 3

Gary Johnson (not a dem, but for reference)= -2


Pretty ridiculous to put HRC at a 1.

She campaigned to the left of Obama on several issues.


are we talking about in the primaries versus Barack, or in last year's election?


No of course not in the primaries.

Last year's election.

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