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1988 Playoffs
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RW2014 wrote:It looks like his finishing ability took a hard hit in the 1992 season. Despite the extra polish and savviness in 92, I would take 1990 or 1991 over that year because of his higher motor and explosion. .
RW2014 wrote:
Dipper, I wish you could've collected his 1992 clutch data. Good work nonetheless.
RW2014 wrote:It looks like his finishing ability took a hard hit in the 1992 season. Despite the extra polish and savviness in 92, I would take 1990 or 1991 over that year because of his higher motor and explosion.
Dipper, I wish you could've collected his 1992 clutch data. Good work nonetheless.
Dipper 13 wrote:RW2014 wrote:It looks like his finishing ability took a hard hit in the 1992 season. Despite the extra polish and savviness in 92, I would take 1990 or 1991 over that year because of his higher motor and explosion.
Dipper, I wish you could've collected his 1992 clutch data. Good work nonetheless.
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I figured what the point would be since the RS is incomplete, plus I already compiled "clutch" data for his entire playoff career. This didn't take nearly as long since I was only watching the end of games (last 5 minutes + OT).
Quotatious wrote:Agreed. His metrics are clearly down in '92 compared to '88-'91, both in RS and in the playoffs, and he was also a less efficient scorer. I think a good case can be made that '93 was slightly better than '92 ('93 is my favorite version of MJ to watch, his offensive game was so polished and versatile). Bulls had their best team of MJ's pre-retirement career, but that's because Pippen was arguably at his peak, and Grant was clearly at his peak, that year. Jordan was obviously in his prime and comfortably the best player in the league that year, but his metirics are right around or slightly below Bulls career average, so I think he definitely had a few better seasons than '92, individually.
juice4080 wrote:
52% on clutch shots? this can't be true? he basically got more efficient in clutch situations while most players get worse?
this is mindboggling to read
Dipper 13 wrote:IMO the Team Performance data is very telling. I realize this is not RAPM, but in this 55 game sample, Bulls were a -11.3 team with him on the bench vs. +13.5 on the court. Even with both Pippen and Grant off the court, Bulls were still +11.4 team with Jordan on court, albeit a small sample size. To have nearly a +25 Net impact on a +10.1 SRS team is very impressive.
Dipper 13 wrote:Updated shot charts for 1988-90 playoffs, plus the '91 playoffs from this thread. Interesting to note how much his percentage from the right wing skyrocketed from 1988 up through the 1992 sample. It literally went from his least efficient jump shooting zone inside the arc to (by far) his most efficient zone.
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Quotatious wrote:Sure, those are amazing impact numbers, but do we know what they looked like for 1988-91 or 1993? He could be even better in those other years (if you have such numbers for some of those other years, I would greatly appreciate that).
ItsThatEasy wrote:I know we're on the statistical side of things right now but how would you even describe 90-92 Jordan style wise?
Seems like the guy could just get to the basketball and finish and the mid-range was a backup plan.
juice4080 wrote:i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious
juice4080 wrote:this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj![]()
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Quotatious wrote:juice4080 wrote:i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious
LOL at me being a LeBron stan, if I in fact like Jordan more than LeBron (and I never said LeBron should be ranked over Michael either, so I have no idea what it's based on).
Just because I don't feel a need to prop MJ up in every comparison like JB does, doesn't mean I'm not a fan.
juice4080 wrote:Dipper 13 wrote:juice4080 wrote:
52% on clutch shots? this can't be true? he basically got more efficient in clutch situations while most players get worse?
this is mindboggling to read
Yes, also from 1990-92 in the playoffs (24 Games) he shot 62.2% on clutch shots, despite enormous volume.
this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced oh and don't forget juleswinnfield would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj![]()
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Colbinii wrote:juice4080 wrote:Dipper 13 wrote:
Yes, also from 1990-92 in the playoffs (24 Games) he shot 62.2% on clutch shots, despite enormous volume.
this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced oh and don't forget juleswinnfield would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj![]()
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Go to NBA.com, find clutch stats, and look at LeBron in 09 and 10.
Although, the person who calculated those stats in 2009 and 2010 was a biased LeBron Homer!!![]()
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juice4080 wrote:Dipper 13 wrote:juice4080 wrote:
52% on clutch shots? this can't be true? he basically got more efficient in clutch situations while most players get worse?
this is mindboggling to read
Yes, also from 1990-92 in the playoffs (24 Games) he shot 62.2% on clutch shots, despite enormous volume.
this is absurd but i don't like to cherry pick certain sample and then be accused of having an agenda like people do...52% is still so far above anything i've ever seen ...i wonder how known lebron stans like quotatious colbinii trex_8063 misterhibachi pauliewall and slowpaced oh and don't forget juleswinnfield would try to spin this ....i'Ve seen them at one time or another try to make the claim that lebron was as clutch as mj![]()
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