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Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET

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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#81 » by Joao Saraiva » Mon Mar 6, 2017 2:00 am

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Joao Saraiva wrote:Those 5 seconds on the out of bounds robbed you guys. Feel bad for winning this way

Don't


I understand the tanking and all but... still gg it was fun to watch.
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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#82 » by teerfour+40LG » Mon Mar 6, 2017 2:03 am

CAN'T STOP THE TANK

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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#83 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Mar 6, 2017 2:03 am

bibby1023 wrote:I would have taken that win if it was our young guys that put us in the position to win. The fact it was only our vets that played meaningful minutes (besides willie), I'm glad we lost :nod:



I'd be OK if the vets were going to actually be here next year or the year after and fit the scheme moving forward but what's the point if they are just going to use their skills elsewhere?

We had to sit through too many years of that pre-Cuz tank and it's just totally pointless.
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Post#84 » by City of Trees » Mon Mar 6, 2017 2:06 am

I wish that Willie jam had gone down. RIP Gobert would be trending among NBA nation

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City of Trees wrote:I wish that Willie jam had gone down. RIP Gobert would be trending among NBA nation

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City of Trees wrote:I wish that Willie jam had gone down. RIP Gobert would be trending among NBA nation

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Even Gobert knew he was about to get buried. If you look at his face there are x's on his eyes.
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Post#89 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Mar 6, 2017 12:26 pm

Literally a perfect result for us.

+1 youthy morale
+1 Tank

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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#90 » by JohnWillow » Mon Mar 6, 2017 12:55 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:Literally a perfect result for us.

+1 youthy morale
+1 Tank

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Skal after putting up almost 9 points and 7 boards in the last 4 games, now only played 1 minute...
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We also face the Kings twice in the near future. I think it's time Yabu pays back some of that free money he's been given his entire career and bounces Fox for a nice 2 week ankle sprain.
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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#91 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Mar 6, 2017 1:10 pm

JohnWillow wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:Literally a perfect result for us.

+1 youthy morale
+1 Tank

Were coming for you French Freak. Wooooooooooooo!


Skal after putting up almost 9 points and 7 boards in the last 4 games, now only played 1 minute...

Yeah that sucks

But we saw continued production from Buddy and WCS. Some things they need to fix up, but I'm liking it.

We are kind of in a sticky place where the youth movement has been enacted, but Joerger respects the vets/free agents that come over this year. He's spreading the minutes pretty down the line, if a little too much on the veteran side for my liking, but he's trying to manage personalities/egos.
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Post#92 » by City of Trees » Mon Mar 6, 2017 4:53 pm

Joerger was a D league coach and a part of the development in Memphis. At this point who am I to question his decisions? I'd like to see the young guys get more minutes but I also agree with Joerger that you can't just hand the keys over, and increasing their workload over a stretched out period of time can be beneficial in comparison to throwing a guy to the wolves.

Skal playing 1 minute? Was the matchup that lopsided for Skal? In the end Joerger will be proven right or wrong. Hope he's right.

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Post#93 » by blind prophet » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:06 pm

City of Trees wrote:Joerger was a D league coach and a part of the development in Memphis. At this point who am I to question his decisions? I'd like to see the young guys get more minutes but I also agree with Joerger that you can't just hand the keys over, and increasing their workload over a stretched out period of time can be beneficial in comparison to throwing a guy to the wolves.

Skal playing 1 minute? Was the matchup that lopsided for Skal? In the end Joerger will be proven right or wrong. Hope he's right.

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Maybe he intends to use Skal more tonight.

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Post#94 » by City of Trees » Mon Mar 6, 2017 5:29 pm

At the 02:51 mark Dave Joerger dives into his philosophy of developing Skal. This interview was 03/02/17, after the Brooklyn loss.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/03/02/the-grant-napear-show-with-doug-christie-dave-joerger-8/

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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#95 » by SacKingZZZ » Mon Mar 6, 2017 8:51 pm

City of Trees wrote:Joerger was a D league coach and a part of the development in Memphis. At this point who am I to question his decisions? I'd like to see the young guys get more minutes but I also agree with Joerger that you can't just hand the keys over, and increasing their workload over a stretched out period of time can be beneficial in comparison to throwing a guy to the wolves.

Skal playing 1 minute? Was the matchup that lopsided for Skal? In the end Joerger will be proven right or wrong. Hope he's right.

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When a player like Skal is going above and beyond in games despite his lack of polish you don't cut his minutes in favor of trying to gut out a win on the backs of Anthony Tolliver or Kosta Koufos. Or if you do, you do it once as a testament to their character and effort. Dave Joerger has proven to squeeze blood out of a turnip before but this is just crazy stuff. They are still trying to make the playoffs and it's understandable I guess. But the question is, at what point do they finally give it up and put in the work that will hopefully make this team better next year? There was a complete blowout the other night and he didn't even put Papagiannis in until like the final 2 minutes.

We've seen in the past the Kings just spin in the same spot with coaches that gave the younger players at the time all of about a week at the end of the year to get it going. The experience they can gain in these last 20 games could be invaluable. I eagerly await the turning over of the mantle because that's the only hope this team has moving forward.
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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#96 » by benchmobbin02 » Mon Mar 6, 2017 9:25 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Joerger was a D league coach and a part of the development in Memphis. At this point who am I to question his decisions? I'd like to see the young guys get more minutes but I also agree with Joerger that you can't just hand the keys over, and increasing their workload over a stretched out period of time can be beneficial in comparison to throwing a guy to the wolves.

Skal playing 1 minute? Was the matchup that lopsided for Skal? In the end Joerger will be proven right or wrong. Hope he's right.

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When a player like Skal is going above and beyond in games despite his lack of polish you don't cut his minutes in favor of trying to gut out a win on the backs of Anthony Tolliver or Kosta Koufos. Or if you do, you do it once as a testament to their character and effort. Dave Joerger has proven to squeeze blood out of a turnip before but this is just crazy stuff. They are still trying to make the playoffs and it's understandable I guess. But the question is, at what point do they finally give it up and put in the work that will hopefully make this team better next year? There was a complete blowout the other night and he didn't even put Papagiannis in until like the final 2 minutes.

We've seen in the past the Kings just spin in the same spot with coaches that gave the younger players at the time all of about a week at the end of the year to get it going. The experience they can gain in these last 20 games could be invaluable. I eagerly await the turning over of the mantle because that's the only hope this team has moving forward.


Obviously, Dave has a plan to bring these guys along and doesn't care what fans think. And he shouldn't he is he one that has developed guys before. He is the one that has direct contact with the players and watches practice and work ethic. He is the one that assigns workouts and drills and film study. And he is the one that know NBA matchup. Questioning his approach is like a grade schooler questioning a mathematician in calculus class.
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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#97 » by dozencousins » Mon Mar 6, 2017 9:40 pm

I am a bit angry that the Kings are playing all our vets instead of giving alot more time to Skal etc.
I understand why they are doing it . You cannot as long as your in contention for a playoff spot basically tell your vets , your overall fan base that your throwing the towel in already. If you do that you anger a lot of the fan base and your current vets , not to mention any future free agent you may want to sign for later .
That said if the Kings have any vets right now that you are not looking to keep next season and so forth then the Kings should be sitting those players or give them a ton less playing time while giving our young bloods a lot more playing time .
They really need to put current players on the floor now they have that they project to be on our roster next season .

Based on that I would start the following :

Collison
Hield or Ben
Temple
Skal
Stein


Bench being :

Ben or Hield
Richardson ( if he was not injured I would remove 1 of Hield , Ben or Skal to the Bench ) If I was playing small ball & wanting a fast pace playing style of game .
Tolliver
Papa
Lawson
Tyreke
Koufas
Galloway
Gay ( out )
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Our next 10 games are :

9:00 pm ET
Today at DEN
PREVIEW
8:30 pm ET
Wed Mar 8 at SA
10:30 pm ET
Fri Mar 10 WAS
10:30 pm ET
Sat Mar 11 DEN
10:30 pm ET
Mon Mar 13 ORL
10:00 pm ET
Wed Mar 15 at PHO
3:00 pm ET
Sat Mar 18 at OKC
7:00 pm ET
Sun Mar 19 at SA
10:30 pm ET
Wed Mar 22 MIL
10:30 pm ET
Fri Mar 24 at GS


20 games remaining . Tied for the 9th worst record .
3 games behind the 8th seed whom we are playing toady via conference.
1 1/2 games behind the 9th seed via conference .
1/2 game behind the 10th seed via our conference .
We are tied for the 11th seed via our conference whom is Minn however they are highly doubtful to get the 8th seed based on games behind plus having only 8 more home games versus 12 more away games . That will be really tough .

My point is I really hope Ownership & Management do not wait to much longer to play the younger players far , far more & put the line up on the floor that you are most projecting for next year . If you do that then the chemistry between those players will already be developing to play greater as a team next year .
All of this preparing for next season and in the same breath getting our 2 x #1 picks this season. Which have a ton of value .
I hope they listen ?
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Post#98 » by benchmobbin02 » Mon Mar 6, 2017 10:38 pm

dozencousins wrote:I am a bit angry that the Kings are playing all our vets instead of giving alot more time to Skal etc.
I understand why they are doing it . You cannot as long as your in contention for a playoff spot basically tell your vets , your overall fan base that your throwing the towel in already. If you do that you anger a lot of the fan base and your current vets , not to mention any future free agent you may want to sign for later .
That said if the Kings have any vets right now that you are not looking to keep next season and so forth then the Kings should be sitting those players or give them a ton less playing time while giving our young bloods a lot more playing time .
They really need to put current players on the floor now they have that they project to be on our roster next season .

Based on that I would start the following :

Collison
Hield or Ben
Temple
Skal
Stein


Bench being :

Ben or Hield
Richardson ( if he was not injured I would remove 1 of Hield , Ben or Skal to the Bench ) If I was playing small ball & wanting a fast pace playing style of game .
Tolliver
Papa
Lawson
Tyreke
Koufas
Galloway
Gay ( out )
Aflallo


Our next 10 games are :

9:00 pm ET
Today at DEN
PREVIEW
8:30 pm ET
Wed Mar 8 at SA
10:30 pm ET
Fri Mar 10 WAS
10:30 pm ET
Sat Mar 11 DEN
10:30 pm ET
Mon Mar 13 ORL
10:00 pm ET
Wed Mar 15 at PHO
3:00 pm ET
Sat Mar 18 at OKC
7:00 pm ET
Sun Mar 19 at SA
10:30 pm ET
Wed Mar 22 MIL
10:30 pm ET
Fri Mar 24 at GS


20 games remaining . Tied for the 9th worst record .
3 games behind the 8th seed whom we are playing toady via conference.
1 1/2 games behind the 9th seed via conference .
1/2 game behind the 10th seed via our conference .
We are tied for the 11th seed via our conference whom is Minn however they are highly doubtful to get the 8th seed based on games behind plus having only 8 more home games versus 12 more away games . That will be really tough .

My point is I really hope Ownership & Management do not wait to much longer to play the younger players far , far more & put the line up on the floor that you are most projecting for next year . If you do that then the chemistry between those players will already be developing to play greater as a team next year .
All of this preparing for next season and in the same breath getting our 2 x #1 picks this season. Which have a ton of value .
I hope they listen ?



The mistake you guys are making is thinking that playing them more minutes is how you develop them when in reality it's one part in 12-15 step process and we as fans only every get to see that one step, maybe a peak at a few others.
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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#99 » by dozencousins » Mon Mar 6, 2017 10:50 pm

benchmobbin02 wrote:
dozencousins wrote:I am a bit angry that the Kings are playing all our vets instead of giving alot more time to Skal etc.
I understand why they are doing it . You cannot as long as your in contention for a playoff spot basically tell your vets , your overall fan base that your throwing the towel in already. If you do that you anger a lot of the fan base and your current vets , not to mention any future free agent you may want to sign for later .
That said if the Kings have any vets right now that you are not looking to keep next season and so forth then the Kings should be sitting those players or give them a ton less playing time while giving our young bloods a lot more playing time .
They really need to put current players on the floor now they have that they project to be on our roster next season .

Based on that I would start the following :

Collison
Hield or Ben
Temple
Skal
Stein


Bench being :

Ben or Hield
Richardson ( if he was not injured I would remove 1 of Hield , Ben or Skal to the Bench ) If I was playing small ball & wanting a fast pace playing style of game .
Tolliver
Papa
Lawson
Tyreke
Koufas
Galloway
Gay ( out )
Aflallo


Our next 10 games are :

9:00 pm ET
Today at DEN
PREVIEW
8:30 pm ET
Wed Mar 8 at SA
10:30 pm ET
Fri Mar 10 WAS
10:30 pm ET
Sat Mar 11 DEN
10:30 pm ET
Mon Mar 13 ORL
10:00 pm ET
Wed Mar 15 at PHO
3:00 pm ET
Sat Mar 18 at OKC
7:00 pm ET
Sun Mar 19 at SA
10:30 pm ET
Wed Mar 22 MIL
10:30 pm ET
Fri Mar 24 at GS


20 games remaining . Tied for the 9th worst record .
3 games behind the 8th seed whom we are playing today via conference.
1 1/2 games behind the 9th seed via conference .
1/2 game behind the 10th seed via our conference .
We are tied for the 11th seed via our conference whom is Minn however they are highly doubtful to get the 8th seed based on games behind plus having only 8 more home games versus 12 more away games . That will be really tough .

My point is I really hope Ownership & Management do not wait to much longer to play the younger players far , far more & put the line up on the floor that you are most projecting for next year . If you do that then the chemistry between those players will already be developing to play greater as a team next year .
All of this preparing for next season and in the same breath getting our 2 x #1 picks this season. Which have a ton of value .
I hope they listen ?



The mistake you guys are making is thinking that playing them more minutes is how you develop them when in reality it's one part in 12-15 step process and we as fans only every get to see that one step, maybe a peak at a few others.


Your response made no sense at all as far as the second part of your statement .
You mention you guys think as if everyone is wrong and you are right . I honestly do not think you know nearly as much as you say you do . I do not think you have a grasp from the business side of things or the understanding to what better serves the KINGS .
You mention a 12-15 step process that is nonsense their is no 12-15 step process .
Their are many different ways a player can learn to better their craft as well as understanding of the game and maturity .Their is no 12-15 step process . Again I am not saying rush any player to play whom is not ready . These guys are ready and hungry for more minutes . Give them more minutes that only helps them in turn helps us .
Anyways Skal only played what a minute last night while fully healthy .
Sorry even if your giving vets more playing time you find a way at this point to get him at least 10-15 minutes a game unless injured.
I am not hard up to let all our youngs to have all the playing time however again Skal , Willy , Buddy , Malachi if healthy all should be getting 10-20 minutes in Stein's case I say even more 25-32 minutes a game .
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Re: Game 62: Utah Jazz (38-24) @ Sacramento Kings (25-36) - 6:00 PM ET 

Post#100 » by millslapper » Mon Mar 6, 2017 11:10 pm

What a game. i really enjoyed it. first, because the commentating duo Napier/Christie is by far the best in the NBA, love it.
second, because the Kings played hard, should have deserved the win. playing much harder without DMC.
and this missed dunk by WCS. what the hell - i almost had some tears in my eyes. that would have been the dunk of the century against the best rim protector of the last years.
tip my hat and want to share my sympathy with this team and franchise although i can imagine it is not easy with an owner & GM like this.

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