Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards

queridiculo · Post #741 » by **queridiculo** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 10:59 am

Until there's an announcement that Bogdanovic has resigned I'll continue to hate on this trade, irrespective of how well he's playing for the Wizards.

tontoz · Post #742 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 11:45 am

payitforward · Post #743 » by **payitforward** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:04 pm

Mojo Amok wrote:Bojan "Lou Who?" Bogdanovic does it again, but with a twist of stripe this time.

The "context doesn't affect results" argument is of sallow complexion and shallow breath, faintly gripping life's shadow by the drip, drip, drop of a lonely IV. How many more Bo-Buckets games until it needs to be Kevorkian'd?

While I'm not sure of what this utterance means, & am content to wait for a definitive interpretation from Donk & AFM, I am all the same glad someone has finally made a point along these lines. Along the twist of this stripe I mean.

payitforward · Post #744 » by **payitforward** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:36 pm

Ok... I have no idea what they are feeding Bojan Bogdanovic, but in 7 games he's given us at least 3 wins we wouldn't otherwise have. He's shooting 57.5% on three pointers, & I don't think he has missed a single free throw yet as a Wizard! On top of which, last night he grabbed 9 boards, 2 of them on the offensive end, in 29 minutes.

If this is Bojan Bogdanovic, then -- obviously! -- we made a great trade. & lets do anything we can to make sure we keep him (not including letting Otto Porter go).

OTOH -- equally obviously -- if the real Bojan Bogdanovic is his career average numbers, then the trade was meh at best. Worse, in fact.

176 minutes is what he's played; still a very very small sample. But you can't help being excited all the same. Right now he's playing like a superstar. But he doesn't have to do all that to justify the trade. He has plenty of room to retreat on his shooting numbers & still have them be really really good.

As I wrote above, there is no question that his over the top shooting has won us 3 close games we'd have lost otherwise. Can't really be a nay-sayer when a guy does that.

tontoz · Post #745 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 1:57 pm

Small sample obviously but it is funny to look at the numbers through 7 games:

25 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 78.4% and an ORTG of 145. :lol:

stevemcqueen1 · Post #746 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 2:07 pm

My bottom line is that, if we keep Bojan this summer, the trade was great. If he walks, it was terrible. There isn't really a middle ground. Trading a first round pick for a three month rental is a terrible return, even if that guy is absolutely brilliant for those three months. You need to be getting three or four years of return for first rounders. If we get that from Bojan, then Hell yeah it was a great trade.

Dark Faze · Post #747 » by **Dark Faze** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 2:25 pm

I was saying earlier it'd take 13 to keep him, but that number is rising. That number will probably settle at around 15 a year when its all said and done I think, and if a team gets truly desperate I could see the ceiling being 18.

That's probably the going rate for a sixth man super sub too.

Personally I would do everything to keep this team as is even if it means paying into the tax. The team enjoyed many years of being under the tax and hasn't enjoyed much success. If you cheap out now I don't understand how you can expect for people to keep tuning in.

tontoz · Post #748 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 2:39 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I was saying earlier it'd take 13 to keep him, but that number is rising. That number will probably settle at around 15 a year when its all said and done I think, and if a team gets truly desperate I could see the ceiling being 18.

That's probably the going rate for a sixth man super sub too.

Personally I would do everything to keep this team as is even if it means paying into the tax. The team enjoyed many years of being under the tax and hasn't enjoyed much success. If you cheap out now I don't understand how you can expect for people to keep tuning in.

The good news is that he is restricted and a lot of teams over spent last summer.

Dark Faze · Post #749 » by **Dark Faze** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 2:47 pm

There are teams that are in much worse situations paying the tax. Look at the Blazers. We should be lucky to pay the tax for a team that has virtually no unwanted contracts. You've just gotta pay the tax in that scenario.

Gordon · Post #750 » by **Gordon** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:12 pm

After re-signing Porter, holding onto him should be a priority. Especially considering Beal`s injury history. I think teams will calm down on spending a little bit this summer, i don`t think Bogs will warrant more than 12mil/year.

CntOutSmrtCrazy · Post #751 » by **CntOutSmrtCrazy** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:30 pm

Franchise record with most free throws without a miss in his first seven games. Not too shabby.

tontoz · Post #752 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:34 pm

He doesn't jump much when he shoots a jumper. He doesn't have to gather himself before going up so his release is quicker than most.

DCZards · Post #753 » by **DCZards** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 4:03 pm

Mojo Amok wrote:
The "context doesn't affect results" argument is of sallow complexion and shallow breath, faintly gripping life's shadow by the drip, drip, drop of a lonely IV. How many more Bo-Buckets games until it needs to be Kevorkian'd?

Indeed. Being an NBA player is not a solo act. The quality of a player's performance is directly impacted by the players he's surrounded by and the role he's asked to play on any given team. I think we're clearly seeing that with Bojan. He hasn't all of a sudden become a better player and scorer. It's all about the "context."

pepe1991 · Post #754 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 4:37 pm

DCZards wrote:
Mojo Amok wrote:
The "context doesn't affect results" argument is of sallow complexion and shallow breath, faintly gripping life's shadow by the drip, drip, drop of a lonely IV. How many more Bo-Buckets games until it needs to be Kevorkian'd?

Indeed. Being an NBA player is not a solo act. The quality of a player's performance is directly impacted by the players he's surrounded by and the role he's asked to play on any given team. I think we're clearly seeing that with Bojan. He hasn't all of a sudden become a better player and scorer. It's all about the "context."

It helps when you are no longer defender by Lebrons, Leonards ,Butlers and other megastars of the world, and that now, guys like Booker defend you, so you can take adventage .

One thing Wizards fans still didn't see from him is his post up game. He is really,really good at it, but he still didn't get chance to show it, ofc he only spent 2 weeks with a team, not even that.

Wizardspride · Post #755 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 5:05 pm

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Dark Faze · Post #756 » by **Dark Faze** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 5:12 pm

Gordon wrote:After re-signing Porter, holding onto him should be a priority. Especially considering Beal`s injury history. I think teams will calm down on spending a little bit this summer, i don`t think Bogs will warrant more than 12mil/year.

Make no mistake, there's still plenty of money to go around, and there are plenty of contracts to point to as comparables for what Bogs should be aiming for. If I'm his agent I point directly at the Evan Turner contract as similar market value to what Bogs should be owed.

If I'm Bogs I'm aiming for Allen Crabbe money but willing realistically expecting Evan Turner money.

Donkey McDonkerton · Post #757 » by **Donkey McDonkerton** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 5:40 pm

queridiculo wrote:Until there's an announcement that Bogdanovic has resigned I'll continue to hate on this trade, irrespective of how well he's playing for the Wizards.

So, when we win the championship, you'll continue to hate? Hater

NatP4 · Post #758 » by **NatP4** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 5:46 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:My bottom line is that, if we keep Bojan this summer, the trade was great. If he walks, it was terrible. There isn't really a middle ground. Trading a first round pick for a three month rental is a terrible return, even if that guy is absolutely brilliant for those three months. You need to be getting three or four years of return for first rounders. If we get that from Bojan, then Hell yeah it was a great trade.

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? What if they win the championship on a 50 point Bojan performance in game 7 of the finals and Chris McCullough becomes a perennial MVP?

Terrible trade still lol, no middle ground

NatP4 · Post #759 » by **NatP4** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 5:50 pm

I still think a successful run to the finals would equal pay cuts for Otto and Bojan and Ted potentially paying the luxury tax either way. And Smith can easily be shed to create room, they have Satoransky and McClellan on dirt cheap contracts that will be ready to contribute next year(probably could this year). Oubre will play more next year, Mahinmi could be more healthy, Ochefu could step up into 3C, McCullough could become a good player on his rookie deal as well.

They have plenty of options, the FO isn't just going to let Otto or Bojan walk after a successful season.

sfam · Post #760 » by **sfam** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 5:53 pm

Lets judge the trade at the end of the season. I agree it matters whether we resign Bojan or not, but would love to make a reasonable run at a conference championship game. If we get there, anything is possible. Bojan gives us that hope in the present at least. I'm going to enjoy that now until the end of the season.