gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:Zaza/McGee are not equal to Bogut/Ezeli.
(Bogut > Zaza) + (McGee > Ezeli) = wash.
Ezeli last year was definitely better then McGee has been this year.
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gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:Zaza/McGee are not equal to Bogut/Ezeli.
(Bogut > Zaza) + (McGee > Ezeli) = wash.
gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:Zaza/McGee are not equal to Bogut/Ezeli.
(Bogut > Zaza) + (McGee > Ezeli) = wash.
phanman wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:phanman wrote:
What a wild statement. Even though they lost some depth, they still did a pretty good job at replacing them. Obviously the addition of Durant would have depleted a bit, but it wasn't gutted or "trash"
Iggy =/= Iggy
Livingston =/= Livingston
McAdoo =/= McAdoo
Clark =/= Barbosa
Zaza/McGee =/= Bogut/Ezeli
Speights > West (side note: crazy how much he has fallen off since leaving Indiana)
Durant >> Barnes
Clark isn't equal to Barbosa, and Zaza/McGee are not equal to Bogut/Ezeli.
Also, what was their reasoning for letting Speights go again? It wasn't money (he signed to Clips for the minimum).
Clark is having himself a very good season and has filled in admirably for Barbosa's absence putting up identical #'s, but much more efficiently.
Clark - 6.6pts/1.5reb/1.1ast on 50/42/74 with a 59.4%TS and 112ORTG & 108DRTG
Barbosa - 6.4pts/1.4reb/1.2ast on 44/36/89 with a 54.5%TS and 103ORTG & 114DRTG
In regards to the Zaza/McGee vs Bogut/Ezeli debate, i'd say they made off much better considering Ezeli is out and hasn't played all season and likewise with Bogut now out for the season too. Zaza has done a great job filling in for the starting line-up and McGee is one of the feel good stories of the entire season with him bouncing back to become a servicable NBA player again.
With Speights, I believe it was because of the lack of potential playing time after they went out and got David West to fill his position. With the Clippers lacking quality bigs after BG and Jordan, there was just more opportunity in Clipper land
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:What depth exactly did they give up to get him? Ezeli is done, Bogut was already breaking down and missed games last year, including finals games, Speights is a defensive sieve, Barnes missed a huge chunk of the regular season, and Barbosa I admit was nice but cmon man he's so old. They picked up Zaza and David West and now Matt Barnes...The primary difference this year is that Steph just isn't as good and isn't putting as much pressure on opposing defenses and, overall, with KD, they have been better this year compared to last year based on net rtg but just lost a few coin toss games that they won last year. The decision was a good one and, until Steph gets back to himself, they won't be as good. KD is their best player and, frankly, I think the Warriors are lucky that they got him becasue STeph is clearly running on fumes and the same team last year would have serious difficulty this year after that Finals loss.
ALL HAIL wrote:gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:Zaza/McGee are not equal to Bogut/Ezeli.
(Bogut > Zaza) + (McGee > Ezeli) = wash.
Now do your formula again comparing Bogut and McGee. People trying hard to seem mathematical oftentimes miss the finer points.
gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:gst8 wrote:
(Bogut > Zaza) + (McGee > Ezeli) = wash.
Now do your formula again comparing Bogut and McGee. People trying hard to seem mathematical oftentimes miss the finer points.
Sure, when the actual scenario doesn't fit your agenda... make one up, right?
ALL HAIL wrote:gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:Now do your formula again comparing Bogut and McGee. People trying hard to seem mathematical oftentimes miss the finer points.
Sure, when the actual scenario doesn't fit your agenda... make one up, right?
Acknowledging Nuance = Agenda
gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:gst8 wrote:
Sure, when the actual scenario doesn't fit your agenda... make one up, right?
Acknowledging Nuance = Agenda
Two sets of players were being compared in a vacuum. Introducing a hypothetical third set makes no sense. Sure, GS could have kept Bogut and added McGee. KD could have signed for the minimum. Both scenarios are equally relevant.
anglewings wrote:Is that guy Steph Curry still on the team? Heard he's alright.
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:What depth exactly did they give up to get him? Ezeli is done, Bogut was already breaking down and missed games last year, including finals games, Speights is a defensive sieve, Barnes missed a huge chunk of the regular season, and Barbosa I admit was nice but cmon man he's so old. They picked up Zaza and David West and now Matt Barnes...The primary difference this year is that Steph just isn't as good and isn't putting as much pressure on opposing defenses and, overall, with KD, they have been better this year compared to last year based on net rtg but just lost a few coin toss games that they won last year. The decision was a good one and, until Steph gets back to himself, they won't be as good. KD is their best player and, frankly, I think the Warriors are lucky that they got him becasue STeph is clearly running on fumes and the same team last year would have serious difficulty this year after that Finals loss.
phanman wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:phanman wrote:
What a wild statement. Even though they lost some depth, they still did a pretty good job at replacing them. Obviously the addition of Durant would have depleted a bit, but it wasn't gutted or "trash"
Iggy =/= Iggy
Livingston =/= Livingston
McAdoo =/= McAdoo
Clark =/= Barbosa
Zaza/McGee =/= Bogut/Ezeli
Speights > West (side note: crazy how much he has fallen off since leaving Indiana)
Durant >> Barnes
Clark isn't equal to Barbosa, and Zaza/McGee are not equal to Bogut/Ezeli.
Also, what was their reasoning for letting Speights go again? It wasn't money (he signed to Clips for the minimum).
Clark is having himself a very good season and has filled in admirably for Barbosa's absence putting up identical #'s, but much more efficiently.
Clark - 6.6pts/1.5reb/1.1ast on 50/42/74 with a 59.4%TS and 112ORTG & 108DRTG
Barbosa - 6.4pts/1.4reb/1.2ast on 44/36/89 with a 54.5%TS and 103ORTG & 114DRTG
In regards to the Zaza/McGee vs Bogut/Ezeli debate, i'd say they made off much better considering Ezeli is out and hasn't played all season and likewise with Bogut now out for the season too. Zaza has done a great job filling in for the starting line-up and McGee is one of the feel good stories of the entire season with him bouncing back to become a servicable NBA player again.
With Speights, I believe it was because of the lack of potential playing time after they went out and got David West to fill his position. With the Clippers lacking quality bigs after BG and Jordan, there was just more opportunity in Clipper land
ALL HAIL wrote:gst8 wrote:ALL HAIL wrote:Acknowledging Nuance = Agenda
Two sets of players were being compared in a vacuum. Introducing a hypothetical third set makes no sense. Sure, GS could have kept Bogut and added McGee. KD could have signed for the minimum. Both scenarios are equally relevant.
So calling both sets a "wash" accomplishes what end? Lying?
Maybe you should embrace something other than a strict adherence to myopic linear thinking.
wonkrazyz28 wrote:Hogwash.
The reason why the Warriors stink right now is because their team is gutted. You have 3 guys who are good, and the rest are bottom bench trash. It was only inevitable that this would happen. They gutted their 2nd unit in order to get Durant. Now its being exposed.
That and Curry coming back to normal levels after the last 2 years isn't helping either.
Everybody was on Kerr's jock as the greatest new phenomenon coach in the league. I noticed now he slowly is turning into the scapegoat.
Who didn't see this happening?
dreadhead_htx wrote:wonkrazyz28 wrote:Hogwash.
The reason why the Warriors stink right now is because their team is gutted. You have 3 guys who are good, and the rest are bottom bench trash. It was only inevitable that this would happen. They gutted their 2nd unit in order to get Durant. Now its being exposed.
That and Curry coming back to normal levels after the last 2 years isn't helping either.
Everybody was on Kerr's jock as the greatest new phenomenon coach in the league. I noticed now he slowly is turning into the scapegoat.
Who didn't see this happening?
omg I was waiting for someone to say this.
This warriors team gave up too much of their depth. they were struggling early on because their defense just wasnt the same like last year with bogut in the middle but when kd stepped up defensively while still dropping his 25-30 the ppl forgot this team still has no depth. now that KD is hurt your missing a guy who was playing career best defense on a squad that lacked depth now your missing his 26 points on 55 percent shooting on top of his defense. crazy how ppl underate the things bogut, fetus ezeli, harrsan barnes,Leandro Barbosa, Brandon Rush and Marreese Speights did for the team. All those guys contributed in a big way weather it was providing toughness on the defensive end or providing a spark off the bench
J Shuttlesworth wrote:Jedi32 wrote:But but but I thought the Warriors were super stacked? Smh
They have 4 all NBA players, 2 MVPs, FMVP off the bench.
Yes, they are super stacked. Don't get it twisted