Game 68: Pistons (33-34) vs. Jazz (42-25) - 7:30 PM EST

[Canadafan]

Can't wait for the blowout loss to the raptors next game

They'll be playing the night before so maybe that'll help us haha

[bjones521]

I think you guys under value what good/great 3 point shooting can do in todays NBA, I do agree that Stan has done a poor job. His "we'll just sign players of value" and see what happens bc we'll have them locked in approach just hasn't worked. He have one of the largest contracts in the NBA/w KCP's max coming and a mediocre team. Hindsight now but, if SVG wanted to "win" now, he should have built a better team around Reggie/Drummond. Since we have no spacing/shooting we will struggle most games.

I know a fan doesn't wish bad on their team but I hope we miss the playoffs. Missing the playoffs will i think make SVG make some big changes. Hopefully the new arena won't influence the off season

[El Chivo]

We suck, SVG too.

[aad]

Bucks just won its over for this team time too focus on the lottery aint no way be beating out the heat and bucks for a playoff spot

[The Moose]

Not sure why everyone is so upset, I never thought we had a chance to win either of these last 2.

We will still make the playoffs I think, we have a stretch of about 6-7 games in a row coming up that are all easily winnable

[ComboGuardCity]

Is KCP hurt? Looked like a hitch in his jumper and free throws

[El Chivo]

Bucks just won its over for this team time too focus on the lottery aint no way be beating out the heat and bucks for a playoff spot

I'm rooting for us to avoid playoff. Don't need another sweep, need a failure certifying that we're going nowhere with this core and this coaching/management.

[Pharaoh]

Toddo was partly right as far as the lack of shooting around RJ & Dre was concerned BUT

Those 2 are not out best players so you don't cater to them

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[El Chivo]

Toddo was partly right as far as the lack of shooting around RJ & Dre was concerned BUT

Those 2 are not out best players so you don't cater to them

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there's nothing to build around, this is the problem.

we have some good players on nice contracts, some young players with reasonable talent, period.

we would have looked better if we blew out everything at the deadline and tanked.

[ImHeisenberg]

Not sure why everyone is so upset, I never thought we had a chance to win either of these last 2.

We will still make the playoffs I think, we have a stretch of about 6-7 games in a row coming up that are all easily winnable

I don't think anyone thought we were going to win either of these games. But, we were completely noncompetitive in both of them.

[Pharaoh]

Toddo was partly right as far as the lack of shooting around RJ & Dre was concerned BUT

Those 2 are not out best players so you don't cater to them

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there's nothing to build around, this is the problem.

we have some good players on nice contracts, some young players with reasonable talent, period.

we would have looked better if we blew out everything at the deadline and tanked.

Let's assume we dealt RJ for DJ & Green then dealt Dre for JV & their first...

You think we'd tank and land a top 5 pick?

IMO that would have pushed us to the 6th seed or better!

Said it for most of the season - we have 2 halves of a very good team but those halves are not compatible

One half thrives on ball & player movement, the other on standing around watching 2 guys PnR teams...

NBA defenses are far too advanced to play PnR without snipers on the perimeter...and that's why we get bogged down.

More motion is the answer we're looking for with 4 willing passers around Dre.

RJ needs to go, not because he is injured or because he doesn't have talent - he needs to go because his style of play doesn't suit our top guys (Tobias & KCP) anymore

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[El Chivo]

Toddo was partly right as far as the lack of shooting around RJ & Dre was concerned BUT

Those 2 are not out best players so you don't cater to them

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there's nothing to build around, this is the problem.

we have some good players on nice contracts, some young players with reasonable talent, period.

we would have looked better if we blew out everything at the deadline and tanked.

Let's assume we dealt RJ for DJ & Green then dealt Dre for JV & their first...

You think we'd tank and land a top 5 pick?

IMO that would have pushed us to the 6th seed or better!

Said it for most of the season - we have 2 halves of a very good team but those halves are not compatible

One half thrives on ball & player movement, the other on standing around watching 2 guys PnR teams...

NBA defenses are far too advanced to play PnR without snipers on the perimeter...and that's why we get bogged down.

More motion is the answer we're looking for with 4 willing passers around Dre.

RJ needs to go, not because he is injured or because he doesn't have talent - he needs to go because his style of play doesn't suit our top guys (Tobias & KCP) anymore

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SVG's project was to build around heavy p'n'r' between RJ and Drummond. Todd's wet dream too

after two years we can easily say that SVG was wrong and must change the whole project. his contract expires after his fifth season. is there room for him to change the rout and be successful?

[Pharaoh]

there's nothing to build around, this is the problem.

we have some good players on nice contracts, some young players with reasonable talent, period.

we would have looked better if we blew out everything at the deadline and tanked.

Let's assume we dealt RJ for DJ & Green then dealt Dre for JV & their first...

You think we'd tank and land a top 5 pick?

IMO that would have pushed us to the 6th seed or better!

Said it for most of the season - we have 2 halves of a very good team but those halves are not compatible

One half thrives on ball & player movement, the other on standing around watching 2 guys PnR teams...

NBA defenses are far too advanced to play PnR without snipers on the perimeter...and that's why we get bogged down.

More motion is the answer we're looking for with 4 willing passers around Dre.

RJ needs to go, not because he is injured or because he doesn't have talent - he needs to go because his style of play doesn't suit our top guys (Tobias & KCP) anymore

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SVG's project was to build around heavy p'n'r' between RJ and Drummond. Todd's wet dream too

after two years we can easily say that SVG was wrong and must change the whole project. his contract expires after his fifth season. is there room for him to change the rout and be successful?

Yes because by moving 1 guy the whole system changes and actually would accentuate KCP & Tobias' skills offensively

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[El Chivo]

Let's assume we dealt RJ for DJ & Green then dealt Dre for JV & their first...

You think we'd tank and land a top 5 pick?

IMO that would have pushed us to the 6th seed or better!

Said it for most of the season - we have 2 halves of a very good team but those halves are not compatible

One half thrives on ball & player movement, the other on standing around watching 2 guys PnR teams...

NBA defenses are far too advanced to play PnR without snipers on the perimeter...and that's why we get bogged down.

More motion is the answer we're looking for with 4 willing passers around Dre.

RJ needs to go, not because he is injured or because he doesn't have talent - he needs to go because his style of play doesn't suit our top guys (Tobias & KCP) anymore

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SVG's project was to build around heavy p'n'r' between RJ and Drummond. Todd's wet dream too

after two years we can easily say that SVG was wrong and must change the whole project. his contract expires after his fifth season. is there room for him to change the rout and be successful?

Yes because by moving 1 guy the whole system changes and actually would accentuate KCP & Tobias' skills offensively

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to become what? a 45/46w per year game?

[vic]

Look at Greg Monroe's face... he's beating more than the Clippers

http://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=400900408

[Redeemed]

What an embarrassing two games. Just when you think guys get it and have a sense of urgency, you get a game like this. Ugh! Horrible coaching decision to put our most efficient offensive player on the bench in favor of Jon "been struggling" Leuer. Tobias has been playing really well even with his defensive struggles. He has more than earned his starting position back.

I appreciate the extended playing time Baynes. I'm fed up with Drummond.

SVG needs to work on getting Baynes in the game quicker and for longer minutes. And perhaps for the duration of this dying season go with Baynes, Boban, and Leuer as our 3 man rotation at the 5. I really hope Ellenson packs on some serious muscle in the off season. Maybe he's the answer in the middle.

Keep Reggie's minutes at 15-20 minutes. If he's struggling physically, he needs to recover in the off season...to be dealt. Ish plays at the pace SVG wants, he gets the ball moving, and gives great effort on defense. He's gone from playing wild and out of control to giving us some excellent minutes.

Miami is surging. Milwaukee is competing. We are disappointing.

[BadMofoPimp]

What an embarrassing two games. Just when you think guys get it and have a sense of urgency, you get a game like this. Ugh! Horrible coaching decision to put our most efficient offensive player on the bench in favor of Jon "been struggling" Leuer. Tobias has been playing really well even with his defensive struggles. He has more than earned his starting position back.

Tobias has been playing injured and we were not even sure he was going to suit up against the Jazz thus coach had probably limited his minutes.

[whitehops]

I don't think anyone thought we were going to win either of these games. But, we were completely noncompetitive in both of them.

yeah, that's definitely the most disappointing part. i was hopeful they'd play well against the jazz since they were at home but... nope.

[Redeemed]

What an embarrassing two games. Just when you think guys get it and have a sense of urgency, you get a game like this. Ugh! Horrible coaching decision to put our most efficient offensive player on the bench in favor of Jon "been struggling" Leuer. Tobias has been playing really well even with his defensive struggles. He has more than earned his starting position back.

Tobias has been playing injured and we were not even sure he was going to suit up against the Jazz thus coach had probably limited his minutes.

I appreciate your response BMP. If Tobias is injured, he should not only not start...he should probably sit out. I think he was still being bothered by that knee from a few games ago. In other words, I think he was hurt...but not injured. Still if he was hindered to the point of needing to play less minutes, the decision makes sense. However, SVG said he went with Leuer because he saw it as a more favorable match up starting Leuer over Tobias.

I'm just frustrated man. This team was set for a far better season than this. Regaining the 7th spot looks really unlikely now. Also with the way we're playing the lottery might be the best place for us. Just frustrated & disappointed

[Billl]

Talking about what forward starts is really missing the forest through the trees. RJ and Dre both came out with absolutely pathetic efforts. That's the the headline and really the only story that matters. If they both don't play a whole lot better, this team isn't going anywhere. If your pg doesn't defend the perimeter and your center doesn't defend the paint, no amount of roster moves are going to make much difference.