Marc Stein - Doc Rivers or Pat Garrity to Replace Hennigan?

OrlandoDream · Post #101 » by **OrlandoDream** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:08 pm

Danny Ferry is my target if he is available. I thought the way his career with the Hawks ended was odd and kinda unfair. He was the GM who orchestrated hiring Bud and turning that hawks franchise around to the #1 seed 60 win team in the 14-15 season. He was also the one that went after Paul Millsap who was the initial piece that made that team a contender. He has a winning track record; just needs to remember that mics are always on.

We need an experienced and established GM. The nepotism of the Devos family is killing us. I'm thankful for what they have done, but would not be opposed to them selling. We need more basketball minds and less business CEO minds.

arkknight1988 · Post #102 » by **arkknight1988** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:27 pm

Would feel much better with rob drafting than Garrity or Rivers. And drafting is the only way we get out of this mess

magicman112 · Post #103 » by **magicman112** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:31 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:Doc is one of the worst player personnel managers in the league. Its his fault we drafted guys like Reece Gaines, Jerryl Sasser, Steven Hunter while passing up some damm good players. He also ran Darrell out of town. He got to LA and has made that team worse, he has hallowed out that roster. They have zero young players, zero athleticism in the perimeter, huge fail on his part.

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Agreed, big NO to Doc he was basically co-GM when he was here and the above selections say it all plus he was the one who wanted Meech over Ben Wallace. Garrity not so sure about but I'd take him over Doc any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We need an experienced GM I think. We tried the young potential guy already.

Dennis Reynolds · Post #104 » by **Dennis Reynolds** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:48 pm

Lets not forget that Doc Rivers is a guy who traded Stephenson and a future 1st round pick albeit lottery protected for 20 smth games of Jeff Green. :crazy:

This report makes me wanna cry.

Skin · Post #105 » by **Skin** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:34 pm

Did we fire Alex Martins yet? Cause if not our next GM will probably suck too.

drsd · Post #106 » by **drsd** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:50 pm

Skin wrote:Did we fire Alex Martins yet?

Let's stop any discussions of Martins. His job is to make the Magic turn a profit, and the teams does. His job is not under any threat at all.

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trebone · Post #107 » by **trebone** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:02 pm

If Ainge doesn't bail out Doc with KG and Allen he's out of the league years ago, even with that he only won once.

j-ragg · Post #108 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:03 pm

drsd wrote:
Skin wrote:Did we fire Alex Martins yet?

Let's stop any discussions of Martins. His job is to make the Magic turn a profit, and the teams does. His job is not under any threat at all.

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We can and should discuss matters pertaining to the Magic. If you can't see that Martins meddling into the front office's business is bad for the team then you aren't looking hard enough.

Post #109 » by **Bensational** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:29 pm

Doc is a guy who seems to do well if he's surrounded by the right talent, both in terms of players and assistant coaches.

He's old enough and experienced enough now that he might actually be able to bring a solid team in around him if we could bring him in as President and GM.

Vogel thrived under Bird's guidance. I wonder if Doc would be open to coming here in a similar capacity? It would lend instant cred to the franchise. Plus, Vogel is (supposed to be) the defensive mind like Thibs was. So maybe there's room for Doc to help guide Vogel on the offensive side and get him some legit star help on the court.

Keep in mind, the drafting of Sasser and all that were moves a young Doc made 15-17 years ago. I'm sure he's learned a lot since then.

I'm starting to warm to this idea. But not to replace Vogel. Our players need consistency for a change.

That is, if we even have most of the same guys returning next season and it's not a full overhaul.

Driguez · Post #110 » by **Driguez** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:34 pm

What a time to be a Magic fan.

BadMofoPimp · Post #111 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:51 pm

j-ragg wrote:
drsd wrote:
Skin wrote:Did we fire Alex Martins yet?

Let's stop any discussions of Martins. His job is to make the Magic turn a profit, and the teams does. His job is not under any threat at all.

..

We can and should discuss matters pertaining to the Magic. If you can't see that Martins meddling into the front office's business is bad for the team then you aren't looking hard enough.

With zero proof, this is just an opinion and a conspiracy theory.

tillyoubleed · Post #112 » by **tillyoubleed** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:54 pm

I would like an outside hire. Although I do like the fact that the magic like to keep things in family.

I don't know who is available for the job, but someone better than Henny has a to be. And I wouldn't be opposed to him keeping a position in the franchise. He's always had a good eye for talent. Now developing said talent is a different animal all together.

I also feel Martens has his hands in the mix too much. He should just be in charge of marketing

tillyoubleed · Post #113 » by **tillyoubleed** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:58 pm

I would like an outside hire. Although I do like the fact that the magic like to keep things in family.

I don't know who is available for the job, but someone better than Henny has a to be. And I wouldn't be opposed to him keeping a position in the franchise. He's always had a good eye for talent. Now developing said talent is a different animal all together.

I also feel Martens has his hands in the mix too much. He should just be in charge of marketing

j-ragg · Post #114 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:14 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
j-ragg wrote:
drsd wrote:
Let's stop any discussions of Martins. His job is to make the Magic turn a profit, and the teams does. His job is not under any threat at all.

..

We can and should discuss matters pertaining to the Magic. If you can't see that Martins meddling into the front office's business is bad for the team then you aren't looking hard enough.

With zero proof, this is just an opinion and a conspiracy theory.

Sure thing. It didn't happen. Hennigan went from loving to collect young assets on good deals to hiring Skiles and loving vets.

He even re-signed Tobias with the pure intention of trading him for expirings from Detroit. That Rob guy is just really wishy washy!

BadMofoPimp · Post #115 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:15 pm

j-ragg wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
j-ragg wrote:We can and should discuss matters pertaining to the Magic. If you can't see that Martins meddling into the front office's business is bad for the team then you aren't looking hard enough.

With zero proof, this is just an opinion and a conspiracy theory.

Sure thing. It didn't happen. Hennigan went from loving to collect young assets on good deals to hiring Skiles and loving vets.

He even re-signed Tobias with the pure intention of trading him for expirings from Detroit. That Rob guy is just really wishy washy!

He quite possibly is!

JF5 · Post #116 » by **JF5** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:17 pm

tillyoubleed wrote:I would like an outside hire. Although I do like the fact that the magic like to keep things in family.

I don't know who is available for the job, but someone better than Henny has a to be. And I wouldn't be opposed to him keeping a position in the franchise. He's always had a good eye for talent. Now developing said talent is a different animal all together.

I also feel Martens has his hands in the mix too much. He should just be in charge of marketing

I'd make Hennigan head of Scouting... Martens just needs to just stay in his lane and stay out of basketball decisions... He clearly doesn't know what he's doing by giving more power to the coaches rather than the GM. A more experienced GM and a President of Basketball operations makes sense.

Furinkazan · Post #117 » by **Furinkazan** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:49 pm

head of scouting so he could scout next poopers? AG and Elf didnt work out either and giving up Saric....hows that make him a good scout?

Max Power · Post #118 » by **Max Power** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:58 pm

Someone mentioned Danny Ferry. I actually would be very happy with him as GM. He's a proven GM who could turn things around quickly here. I'm not against a Doc or Garrity. The Doc everyone complains about was here well over a decade ago, it was his first coaching job and he's obviously improved since then, he's won a title. I think Rivers would be an excellent President of Basketball Operations, with Danny Ferry or Garrity being GM with Vogel as coach. Doc has a good rep league wide and could help repair the reputation of the Magic organization, because right now they're nothing short of inept.

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Furinkazan · Post #119 » by **Furinkazan** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:04 pm

Id be ok with Ferry

tiderulz · Post #120 » by **tiderulz** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:36 pm

Bensational wrote:Doc is a guy who seems to do well if he's surrounded by the right talent, both in terms of players and assistant coaches.

He's old enough and experienced enough now that he might actually be able to bring a solid team in around him if we could bring him in as President and GM.

Vogel thrived under Bird's guidance. I wonder if Doc would be open to coming here in a similar capacity? It would lend instant cred to the franchise. Plus, Vogel is (supposed to be) the defensive mind like Thibs was. So maybe there's room for Doc to help guide Vogel on the offensive side and get him some legit star help on the court.

Keep in mind, the drafting of Sasser and all that were moves a young Doc made 15-17 years ago. I'm sure he's learned a lot since then.

I'm starting to warm to this idea. But not to replace Vogel. Our players need consistency for a change.

That is, if we even have most of the same guys returning next season and it's not a full overhaul.

hasnt drafted that well in LA either. granted, it has been late 1st round picks, but no one is really standing out or contributing