2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[Unbreakable99]

If we get Ball our slogan would change to Ball til you fall. Skip Bayless has his guys he will fight to the death to defend and then he has his guys to bash someone no matter what they do. Last year he treated Simmons like LeBron and hated on him pretty good. This year he has been talking up Ball. I wonder what he would say if we got Ball. He would probably treat it like LeBron in Miami. He would say Ball is the winner and Simmons is a follower and we are only good because of Ball.

[Unbreakable99]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

[HankTheTank]

Yeah, I trust Monk's shooting and ability to score points at the next level. A couple game slump doesn't matter much, IMO. But you are right, at #6 or #7, he's a nice piece to add. You can''t​ waste a top 3-4 pick on what he brings though. But hopefully the 76ers are lucky enough to have a pick that high.

I feel like a broken record with Monk, but the reality it's a 7 game slump, and he brings little else when he's not shooting well. Combine that with his questionable NBA size and build and I'm not all that interested.

Jackson is the real deal. I see some Pippen in him, though I may get ripped for saying that. Jackson or Ball, and get the floats ready.

I agree the top 2 players are Jackson or Ball, but after that I don't have enough strong feelings about any of the other guys to discount Monk. Who's your top 10-15?

Lloyd, you made a great point about Monk in an earlier post about all prospects outside of top 2 being flawed. I started to reply but had to leave. You're right, the reality is Monk is a top 10 pick, I just hope the Sixers avoid him, but it would be easy to tear into anyone after the top 2-5.

You were also correct in stating that as much as I, and others, would want the Sixers to take Williams over one of these flawed prospects, it ain't happening.

My top 10 today:

Ball
Jackson
Fultz
Smith
Tatum
Fox
Williams
Isaac
Bridges
Monk

Subject to change of course...

[TheAntiTrump]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

It would depend on several things. One, the team at # 3 has a need for a SF, but also needs say a PG. And they feel at 5 they could get one just as good at 3 since Fultz and Ball are gone. For Sixers, it would depend on their love for Jackson is so far above what players like Tatum or Issac can be. If they feel there is little difference, then why give up a very very good defensive and rebounding Covington ?

[XtremeDunkz]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

No chance. Covington is a big part of our future. I'll take our chances with Covington/Tatum over just Jackson.

[Unbreakable99]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

No chance. Covington is a big part of our future. I'll take our chances with Covington/Tatum over just Jackson.

What if the team at 4 drafts Tatum? At 5 Jackson and Tatum are both gone.

[TheAntiTrump]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

No chance. Covington is a big part of our future. I'll take our chances with Covington/Tatum over just Jackson.

What if the team at 4 drafts Tatum? At 5 Jackson and Tatum are both gone.

Who says that are only need is a SF ? Especially when we have not only Covington, but Dario/Simmons ? I mean we are just as needy at SG are we not ? What about a PG who is Dynamic physically and who can attack and finish at the rim ? I mean wouldn't either Monk/Dennis Smith fill those needs ? Who says that Jackson/Tatum are the end all be all of what the Sixers need ?

[LloydFree]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

I'm a big Covington fan, but if the opportunity presented itself, I would trade him and the #5 in a heartbeat for Josh Jackson.

[Unbreakable99]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

I'm a big Covington fan, but if the opportunity presented itself, I would trade him and the #5 in a heartbeat for Josh Jackson.

It's tough. We would be trading a player to get Jackson instead of adding Jackson and keeping Covington if we landed in the top 3. Ugh. Jackson doesn't have the range of Covington shooting it. He may become as good if not better on the eh defensive end but Covington is aboutnas good as they come to a high quality role player. Jackson would be hard to pass up in this scenario though. That's why it's great if we get in the top 3. We wouldn't have to get this silly trade proposals like I just made lol.

[FlightBrothers]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

No chance. Covington is a big part of our future. I'll take our chances with Covington/Tatum over just Jackson.

What if the team at 4 drafts Tatum? At 5 Jackson and Tatum are both gone.

We'll be lucky if we pick 5

[LloydFree]

I agree the top 2 players are Jackson or Ball, but after that I don't have enough strong feelings about any of the other guys to discount Monk. Who's your top 10-15?

My top 10 today:

Ball
Jackson
Fultz
Smith
Tatum
Fox
Williams
Isaac
Bridges
Monk

Subject to change of course...

I reserve the right to change this around a bit. I didn't forget Frank N., OG, or Harry Giles. Just not impressed with them. Don't know where to place Ferguson yet.

Off the top of my head Big board:

Tier 1
1. Lonzo Ball
2. Josh Jackson

Tier 2
3. Tatum
4. DSmith
5. Fultz
6. Isaac
7. Williams
8. Monk
9. Miles Bridges
10. D' Fox

Tier 3
11. Bruce Brown PG Miami
12. Jawun Evans PG OK St.
13. Jonathan Motley C Baylor​
14. Caleb Swanigan C Purdue
15. Donovan Mitchell SG Louisville
16. Tyler Lydon PF Syracuse
17. Jordan Bell PF Oregon
18. Bam Adebayo PF Kentucky
19. Lauri Markkenen PF Arizona
20. Alonzo Trier SG Arizona
21. Justin Jackson SF UNC
22. Ivan Rabb PF Cal

[Sixers2125]

Really don't understand all the hype Lonzo is getting. I think he's gonna have a lot of trouble getting his shot off in the nba. I'm also not very impressed by. with his handle, he's alright going left but he can't go right at all. Good luck with that in the nba.

[phantom84]

Really don't understand all the hype Lonzo is getting. I think he's gonna have a lot of trouble getting his shot off in the nba. I'm also not very impressed by. with his handle, he's alright going left but he can't go right at all. Good luck with that in the nba.

Well I hope other GMs buy into the hype and draft him, so Fultz can drop to us lol.

[Sixers2125]

Really don't understand all the hype Lonzo is getting. I think he's gonna have a lot of trouble getting his shot off in the nba. I'm also not very impressed by. with his handle, he's alright going left but he can't go right at all. Good luck with that in the nba.

Well I hope other GMs buy into the hype and draft him, so Fultz can drop to us lol.

Yeah I really like Fultz but I'm a little worried about how bad his team was. How does a guy that good lead his team to a 9-22 record? And I worried about Ben Simmons not even getting his team into the tournament haha.

I actually think Fox will be the best pg of this draft. Once he builds his body up a little he's gonna be real good. I'm not even worried about his shooting, his form is fine, he was a solid ft shooter and he got better as the year went on. I think he'll at least be a league average shooter for pgs.

[HankTheTank]

I agree the top 2 players are Jackson or Ball, but after that I don't have enough strong feelings about any of the other guys to discount Monk. Who's your top 10-15?

My top 10 today:

Ball
Jackson
Fultz
Smith
Tatum
Fox
Williams
Isaac
Bridges
Monk

Subject to change of course...

I reserve the right to change this around a bit. I didn't forget Frank N., OG, or Harry Giles. Just not impressed with them. Don't know where to place Ferguson yet.

Off the top of my head Big board:

Tier 1
1. Lonzo Ball
2. Josh Jackson

Tier 2
3. Tatum
4. DSmith
5. Fultz
6. Isaac
7. Williams
8. Monk
9. Miles Bridges
10. D' Fox

Tier 3
11. Bruce Brown PG Miami
12. Jawun Evans PG OK St.
13. Jonathan Motley C Baylor​
14. Caleb Swanigan C Purdue
15. Donovan Mitchell SG Louisville
16. Tyler Lydon PF Syracuse
17. Jordan Bell PF Oregon
18. Bam Adebayo PF Kentucky
19. Lauri Markkenen PF Arizona
20. Alonzo Trier SG Arizona
21. Justin Jackson SF UNC
22. Ivan Rabb PF Cal

I like it. You love Brown, I will have to check him out further. A few other off the board guys there too. Swanigan I agree should be mid first. Bell I like too...

Honestly, I don't know what I'd do if I were GM and our pick is in the 6-8 range. I might be inclined to draft Williams or Isaac rather than put my faith in Fox or Monk and then aggressively pursue Caldwell-Pope. I lean slightly towards Williams because I'm a sucker for elite defensive players, though I think Isaac could be eventually, and I think Williams can play 4 and 5.

The thought of Williams/Embiid/Simmons/Roco/KCP on the floor at the same time makes me weak in the knees. I know this creates cap problems down the road but we have a couple years to figure it out. Saric is the starting 4, I'm talking 15-20 minutes a night for Williams btw, break him in like real basketball teams do. And yes I think Simmons can defend 3's.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Really don't understand all the hype Lonzo is getting. I think he's gonna have a lot of trouble getting his shot off in the nba. I'm also not very impressed by. with his handle, he's alright going left but he can't go right at all. Good luck with that in the nba.

Well I hope other GMs buy into the hype and draft him, so Fultz can drop to us lol.

Yeah I really like Fultz but I'm a little worried about how bad his team was. How does a guy that good lead his team to a 9-22 record? And I worried about Ben Simmons not even getting his team into the tournament haha.

I have tons of respect for dudes like Fultz and Simmons that didn't just form power teams at Duke,Kansas,Kentucky,etc. Aside from the fact that actually winning in college matters very little in terms of success at the next level it just takes some stones to go to a one of the slighty smaller program's and just say F it I'm the man.

[Wilfried]

Hypothetical trade. What if we are picking 5th and the team picking 3rd is willing to swap with us only if we include Covington. Let's assume Ball and Fultz are off the board. Jackson is available at 3. Would you do it? I wouldn't. I would love jackson though. It would be hard to pass up.

No chance. Covington is a big part of our future. I'll take our chances with Covington/Tatum over just Jackson.

What if the team at 4 drafts Tatum? At 5 Jackson and Tatum are both gone.

That means Fultz, Isaac of Fox are still available.

[phantom84]

Well I hope other GMs buy into the hype and draft him, so Fultz can drop to us lol.

Yeah I really like Fultz but I'm a little worried about how bad his team was. How does a guy that good lead his team to a 9-22 record? And I worried about Ben Simmons not even getting his team into the tournament haha.

I have tons of respect for dudes like Fultz and Simmons that didn't just form power teams at Duke,Kansas,Kentucky,etc. Aside from the fact that actually winning in college matters very little in terms of success at the next level it just takes some stones to go to a one of the slighty smaller program's and just say F it I'm the man.

Yep, team success isn't a deal breaker for me. If Fultz played in a better program we wouldn't even have this conversation. Also, Fultz's team is just terrible. He missed like six games and they lost every single game without him. I would be a little more concern if they could win without him, but that is just not the case.

[shawn_hemp]

Yeah I really like Fultz but I'm a little worried about how bad his team was. How does a guy that good lead his team to a 9-22 record? And I worried about Ben Simmons not even getting his team into the tournament haha.

I have tons of respect for dudes like Fultz and Simmons that didn't just form power teams at Duke,Kansas,Kentucky,etc. Aside from the fact that actually winning in college matters very little in terms of success at the next level it just takes some stones to go to a one of the slighty smaller program's and just say F it I'm the man.

Yep, team success isn't a deal breaker for me. If Fultz played in a better program we wouldn't even have this conversation. Also, Fultz's team is just terrible. He missed like six games and they lost every single game without him. I would be a little more concern if they could win without him, but that is just not the case.

They couldn't really win with him either though...

[LloydFree]

My top 10 today:

Ball
Jackson
Fultz
Smith
Tatum
Fox
Williams
Isaac
Bridges
Monk

Subject to change of course...

I reserve the right to change this around a bit. I didn't forget Frank N., OG, or Harry Giles. Just not impressed with them. Don't know where to place Ferguson yet.

Off the top of my head Big board:

Tier 1
1. Lonzo Ball
2. Josh Jackson

Tier 2
3. Tatum
4. DSmith
5. Fultz
6. Isaac
7. Williams
8. Monk
9. Miles Bridges
10. D' Fox

Tier 3
11. Bruce Brown PG Miami
12. Jawun Evans PG OK St.
13. Jonathan Motley C Baylor​
14. Caleb Swanigan C Purdue
15. Donovan Mitchell SG Louisville
16. Tyler Lydon PF Syracuse
17. Jordan Bell PF Oregon
18. Bam Adebayo PF Kentucky
19. Lauri Markkenen PF Arizona
20. Alonzo Trier SG Arizona
21. Justin Jackson SF UNC
22. Ivan Rabb PF Cal

I like it. You love Brown, I will have to check him out further. A few other off the board guys there too. Swanigan I agree should be mid first. Bell I like too...

Honestly, I don't know what I'd do if I were GM and our pick is in the 6-8 range. I might be inclined to draft Williams or Isaac rather than put my faith in Fox or Monk and then aggressively pursue Caldwell-Pope. I lean slightly towards Williams because I'm a sucker for elite defensive players, though I think Isaac could be eventually, and I think Williams can play 4 and 5.

The thought of Williams/Embiid/Simmons/Roco/KCP on the floor at the same time makes me weak in the knees. I know this creates cap problems down the road but we have a couple years to figure it out. Saric is the starting 4, I'm talking 15-20 minutes a night for Williams btw, break him in like real basketball teams do. And yes I think Simmons can defend 3's.

Yeah, you kind of woke me up about Williams. I knew him, but really didn't think of him as a potential high pick because of where he was ranked pre-season. But when I really thought about it, I agreed there aren't that many guys in this draft that should be drafted ahead of him.

As far as my tier 3 guys are concerned, I'm just looking at guys I think can be very good NBA back-ups. There are usually only about 7-10 very good players that come out of any draft. Half the guys in the top 10 will bust, and only a handful of the players outside of the top 10 will be significant, so there are no off-the-board players, IMO. I just see similarities to current successful players or NBA traits in these guys.