2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[LloydFree]

This is far from the best draft I've seen... then again I'm old so...

Who are all of these generational superstars you see? I'm not seeing it. I see a couple players who could become stars and a couple more that could be very good starters. There are guys ranked in the top 10 of this draft that have nothing more than good 6th man upside.

Agreed. I'd take the 2003 draft over this one and I'm not only saying it because I have the benefit of hindsight. There is no LeBron in this draft. I was high on Carmelo. I have to admit I didn't think Wade would be as good as he became but I was a fan. He is exceeded my expectations. Bosh was good.

The 1983 draft had Hakeem. He alone had more potential than anyone in this draft.

I'm sure I could think of other drafts. If there was a Simmons and Towns or Davis in this draft I might reconsider. This is a deep draft but I don't see any potential all time great players.

It's not even close with 2003. LeBron was a WAY better prospect than anyone in 2017. Carmelo was at least at the Fultz/Ball level, and probably higher than them also. Bosh and Wade were probably at the Fultz/Ball/Jackson level. Darko ended up busting, but he was on the level with Bosh and Wade as a prospect also.

1996 and 1984 were also WAY better than this year, probably the 2 best drafts of all time.

Here's a ranking of top draft classes:

1) 1984
2) 1996
3) 2003
4) 1987
5) 1985
6) 2007
7) 1998
8) 2009

This year's draft class is no higher than #7 on the list (above 1998) and perhaps below that.

'84, '60, '96, '03, '98 and '70 Those are the gold standards.
'08, '07 and '85 were pretty good.

This year's draft isn't in the top 10.

[the_process]

Well just prepare yourself by the time we pick for the hosts during the draft say the best available players remaining are DSJ Fox Markkenen Bridges lol. It's a very likely scenario. Who else would you want at 6 if Ball Fultz Jackson Tatum Issac are off the board? Maybe Monk could be available but that's not something that gets me that excited.

I'd trade down a few spots and then take my chances with Ntilikina.

I might take the shot on Ntilikina at #5 overall. He might have more upside than anyone after Ball/Fultz/Jackson/Tatum. Plus his defense should give him a high floor. Even if he doesn't develop at all, he'll be a good 3&D PG.

I'd take Issac at 5, Ntilikina at 6. But no need to take him at 6 if you can get him at 9, plus some more assets.

[shawn_hemp]

Agreed. I'd take the 2003 draft over this one and I'm not only saying it because I have the benefit of hindsight. There is no LeBron in this draft. I was high on Carmelo. I have to admit I didn't think Wade would be as good as he became but I was a fan. He is exceeded my expectations. Bosh was good.

The 1983 draft had Hakeem. He alone had more potential than anyone in this draft.

I'm sure I could think of other drafts. If there was a Simmons and Towns or Davis in this draft I might reconsider. This is a deep draft but I don't see any potential all time great players.

It's not even close with 2003. LeBron was a WAY better prospect than anyone in 2017. Carmelo was at least at the Fultz/Ball level, and probably higher than them also. Bosh and Wade were probably at the Fultz/Ball/Jackson level. Darko ended up busting, but he was on the level with Bosh and Wade as a prospect also.

1996 and 1984 were also WAY better than this year, probably the 2 best drafts of all time.

Here's a ranking of top draft classes:

1) 1984
2) 1996
3) 2003
4) 1987
5) 1985
6) 2007
7) 1998
8) 2009

This year's draft class is no higher than #7 on the list (above 1998) and perhaps below that.

'84, '60, '96, '03, '98 and '70 Those are the gold standards.
'08, '07 and '85 were pretty good.

This year's draft isn't in the top 10.

How can you say that right now though?

I don't necessarily disagree tbh

[LloydFree]

It's not even close with 2003. LeBron was a WAY better prospect than anyone in 2017. Carmelo was at least at the Fultz/Ball level, and probably higher than them also. Bosh and Wade were probably at the Fultz/Ball/Jackson level. Darko ended up busting, but he was on the level with Bosh and Wade as a prospect also.

1996 and 1984 were also WAY better than this year, probably the 2 best drafts of all time.

Here's a ranking of top draft classes:

1) 1984
2) 1996
3) 2003
4) 1987
5) 1985
6) 2007
7) 1998
8) 2009

This year's draft class is no higher than #7 on the list (above 1998) and perhaps below that.

'84, '60, '96, '03, '98 and '70 Those are the gold standards.
'08, '07 and '85 were pretty good.

This year's draft isn't in the top 10.

How can you say that right now though?

I don't necessarily disagree tbh

Just my opinion, but there aren't that many great players in this draft. I don't think it will be better than any of those drafts I mentioned This draft looks a lot like the '94 draft (to me) and that draft wasn't considered great. A couple potential great players at the top and a bunch of OK dudes 4-10. '94 isn't considered great, and it had Jason Kidd, Grant Hill, Big Dog, Jalen Rose and Eddie Jones. I'd bet the house this draft lottery doesn't produce 5 players close to that good.

[Mik317]

well yeah...that draft had a HOF, a borderline HOF, and 3 guys who were top level players for 10 years. (also funny since one could lazily use those dudes as **** comps for guys in this draft lol)

thats a pretty good draft.

My thing is that if you are worth your contact as a GM, you should be able to easily find a top level starter in this draft (whatever that means to you may differ tho), which for where we are at is all I ask for right now.

[jaxsontend]

My point about this draft is that it may not have many allstars, or perhaps any superstars or generational talents, i could see it having 25+ players who good nba rotation players and could rival 2003 and 2009 in overall quality (subtracting of course for the superstars).

[eagereyez]

I'm going to start to temper my expectations for the pick. I'm going to assume we will pick 6 or 7 and hope DSJ is still there and just take him and hope for the best.

You'd take DSJ over Monk? I think DSJ will probably become the better player, but for us I'd rather have Monk.

[LloydFree]

well yeah...that draft had a HOF, a borderline HOF, and 3 guys who were top level players for 10 years. (also funny since one could lazily use those dudes as **** comps for guys in this draft lol)

thats a pretty good draft.

My thing is that if you are worth your contact as a GM, you should be able to easily find a top level starter in this draft (whatever that means to you may differ tho), which for where we are at is all I ask for right now.

I agree. In fact, if you don't get a good starter with a top 7 pick, in any draft, you didn't do your job as a GM. That includes this year's draft. That's about how many top starters come out in any draft. But they never all go in the top 7, obviously.

[TheAntiTrump]

Man. If there were ever a better example of a player playing his way into the NBA Draft, it is South Carolina's " Sindarius Thornwell " I checked both DX abd NBADraft.net, and neither had Thornwell anywhere in their top-60 draftees. But man, this guy can play. He has South Carolina close to the Elite-8. Guarantee you if he keeps this up, he might be a great 2nd round gamble...maybe for us.

[Unbreakable99]

I'm going to start to temper my expectations for the pick. I'm going to assume we will pick 6 or 7 and hope DSJ is still there and just take him and hope for the best.

You'd take DSJ over Monk? I think DSJ will probably become the better player, but for us I'd rather have Monk.

I honestly don't know. I have a top 4 and then after that you can pretty much buy me or sell me with many players.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Fox really can get to wherever he wants on the court.

[Mik317]

I am a **** person but in games like this the moment dudes who don't matter are taking shots instead of the draft prospects, I get the same impotent rage I get watching Henderson take his Kobe shots.

[LloydFree]

I'm going to start to temper my expectations for the pick. I'm going to assume we will pick 6 or 7 and hope DSJ is still there and just take him and hope for the best.

You'd take DSJ over Monk? I think DSJ will probably become the better player, but for us I'd rather have Monk.

I honestly don't know. I have a top 4 and then after that you can pretty much buy me or sell me with many players.

I gotta take Dennis Smith, if he's still on the board at that point. Monk is the easier fit with Simmons, but Dennis Smith has more upside and ability. At this point, until I see both Simmons and Embiid on the court, I'm not passing on a superior talent, with idea of fitting something around them.

[Unbreakable99]

The more I see from Monk the more concerned and more red flags I see. He hasn't had a good game in a while. If he can't get off against kids what will he do in the NBA. And if he's not scoring he should pretty useless. And in bigger games against better opponents this is not a good look for Monk. I don't like Fox's lack of jumper but he can get any shot he wants and he plays defense. I don't think he will ever have a consistent jumper and I don't like that. I'm tired of non shooters and hoping not they develop a jump shot but Fox has a transferable skill set that seems to have a better chance of succeeding than Monk does.

[Mik317]

Monk kinda has been bad at the thing he is supposed to be good at lately.

[Mik317]

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[eagereyez]

Not gonna fret over a poor shooting performance in a 6 game tournament.

[Unbreakable99]

Fox just had the half of his life. He outplayed Ball in the first half yet again. Last game against Ball, Ball had the better second half. Let's see if Fox can keep it up. If Fox could shoot he would be the best prospect in the draft pretty easily.

[JojoSlimbiid]

What is Fox's wingspan is looks pretty long out there. NH

[Mik317]

who needs to shoot when they can't keep you out of the lane amirite.

but no seriously dude is crazy fast and if we did not have Simmons I'd be way more gung-ho...still might and just try to outrun everyone until one of them learns how to shoot lol