2017 Draft Thread 2.0- Something to... Lmfao.. lol @

Burnie Riley · Post #321 » by **Burnie Riley** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:53 am

gom wrote:Do you think #17 for #24 & #30 is a possibility? I'd rather have Collins or Leaf, but if they are off the board, Thornwell and Brooks or Motley and Brooks seem like a better deal than Giles or Rabb. If Utah falls in love with one of those guys, it might be good for us

That's definitely a possibility. Depending on who's on the board when we pick I would say it's also possible to get Portland or Brooklyn's two late first rounders as well. Although Brooklyn may be desperate due to their draft pick situation and want two young players instead. But who knows they may be high on somebody.

I'm still trying to think of players that could be attained for the pick. So far I'm thinking mostly guys from the 2015 draft could be obtainable, not saying we would want them necessarily, but guys like Stanley, Oubre, Mudiay, Kaminsky.

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RexBoyWonder · Post #322 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:10 am

Don't let the dark force take you Burnie.

Bishop45 · Post #323 » by **Bishop45** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:11 pm

Oubre's been nice defensively for Wash, I doubt they want to explore that rn

Going to pass on Kamisky and Mudiay

Oof, Muddi could possibly end up back on the Guangdong Tigers where he started his pro career. Wouldn't mind him on our SX squad for a slightly lower price than a teen pick tho... hmm.

Luv Stanley, would do it if Plausible. We'd be trading up, so maybe we'd have to add a player to get him and pick. Wonder how far up the ladder Rich + Pick could get us?

Burnie Riley · Post #324 » by **Burnie Riley** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:14 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Don't let the dark force take you Burnie.

But it's soo0000 tempting...

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Burnie Riley · Post #325 » by **Burnie Riley** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:23 pm

I heard the Suns want to get rid of Knight. He used to be better than Dion before this year when Waiters dropped the n and replaced it with an s. I think Pat has a number in his head for Waiters and I think Waiters will get offered more than that number. Knight can do some of what Waiters provides for a decent contract in this market at 13.6, 14.6, and 15.6 over the next 3 seasons.

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Harjo · Post #326 » by **Harjo** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:57 pm

Burnie Riley wrote:I heard the Suns want to get rid of Knight. He used to be better than Dion before this year when Waiters dropped the n and replaced it with an s. I think Pat has a number in his head for Waiters and I think Waiters will get offered more than that number. Knight can do some of what Waiters provides for a decent contract in this market at 13.6, 14.6, and 15.6 over the next 3 seasons.

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I'm confident that Knight would revive his career here but it's a big risk. With D-Waiters we know what he can do in our system, and he's been doing it in the present, which is not the case with Knight who did it two years ago.

Waiters might cost a little bit more but it's a much more secure bet than Knight. And we won't have to give anything in exchange to resign Waiters, which won't be the case to get Knight, even if value is low today.

Post #327 » by **heat4life** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:36 pm

I like Hartenstein as a long term reward player but does Riley go for the Euro with little video to go by? I have my doubts that Miami is scouting Europe hard. It might have to be one of those private workouts where he blows away the coaches.

A more realistic option could be TJ Leaf. Big school, Riley's has been at his games and fits the stretch 4 mold Spo loves. The question is his upside. Are we talking about Matt Bonner 2.0 or someone who can be closer to Danilo Gallinari? Either way, he is the type of player Riley usually goes for.

Also, I wouldn't discard drafting BPA regardless if it's a Guard. Miami is big in developmental players and if the upside is higher, everything can be sorted out later on. The truth is only Dragic and Tj have long term contracts at guard. Ellington and J-Rich are on the last year of their contracts and Waiters is a FA this summer. Nothing is promised long term. At least not yet.

puppa bear · Post #328 » by **puppa bear** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:15 pm

heat4life wrote:I like Hartenstein as a long term reward player but does Riley go for the Euro with little video to go by? I have my doubts that Miami is scouting Europe hard. It might have to be one of those private workouts where he blows away the coaches.

A more realistic option could be TJ Leaf. Big school, Riley's has been at his games and fits the stretch 4 mold Spo loves. The question is his upside. Are we talking about Matt Bonner 2.0 or someone who can be closer to Danilo Gallinari? Either way, he is the type of player Riley usually goes for.

Also, I wouldn't discard drafting BPA regardless if it's a Guard. Miami is big in developmental players and if the upside is higher, everything can be sorted out later on. The truth is only Dragic and Tj have long term contracts at guard. Ellington and J-Rich are on the last year of their contracts and Waiters is a FA this summer. Nothing is promised long term. At least not yet.

I can see Leaf, Rabb & Giles being Riley-type picks.

Leaf has the potential to be as impactful as the Cavs version of Love - super fit and great roleplayer, but not needed to be a mega scorer, or even volume shooter.

Giles has the Duke connection, and has loads of potential. His knees are the worry, but if we're low enough it's definitely worth the risk.

Rabb is he one I struggle to quantify, but he just seems to have something that resonates as being a Heat player - a guy who seems to have a commitment to evolving his game, and does all the small things. I think we haven't seen where his game truly is this season, as he's used his strengths to help the team, rather than showing off what he's capable of.

Post #329 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:44 pm

Come to Miami Markkanen. He and Hayward would add some potency to the starting lineup.

Cmon_Son-_- · Post #330 » by **Cmon_Son-_-** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:19 am

puppa bear wrote:
heat4life wrote:I like Hartenstein as a long term reward player but does Riley go for the Euro with little video to go by? I have my doubts that Miami is scouting Europe hard. It might have to be one of those private workouts where he blows away the coaches.

A more realistic option could be TJ Leaf. Big school, Riley's has been at his games and fits the stretch 4 mold Spo loves. The question is his upside. Are we talking about Matt Bonner 2.0 or someone who can be closer to Danilo Gallinari? Either way, he is the type of player Riley usually goes for.

Also, I wouldn't discard drafting BPA regardless if it's a Guard. Miami is big in developmental players and if the upside is higher, everything can be sorted out later on. The truth is only Dragic and Tj have long term contracts at guard. Ellington and J-Rich are on the last year of their contracts and Waiters is a FA this summer. Nothing is promised long term. At least not yet.

I can see Leaf, Rabb & Giles being Riley-type picks.

Leaf has the potential to be as impactful as the Cavs version of Love - super fit and great roleplayer, but not needed to be a mega scorer, or even volume shooter.

Giles has the Duke connection, and has loads of potential. His knees are the worry, but if we're low enough it's definitely worth the risk.

Rabb is he one I struggle to quantify, but he just seems to have something that resonates as being a Heat player - a guy who seems to have a commitment to evolving his game, and does all the small things. I think we haven't seen where his game truly is this season, as he's used his strengths to help the team, rather than showing off what he's capable of.

Out of the 3 I'd choose Leaf every time just because of his ability to stretch the floor.
But Honestly i'd rather have a Spo Ball 4 in guys like Miles Bridges and Justin Jackson(if he added 15 pounds lol) or Semi Ojeleye,Dillon Brooks and Wesley Iwundu in the 2nd round.

No ones a home run but maybe we can at least get a decent versatile player

RJM · Post #331 » by **RJM** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:58 am

Burnie Riley wrote:

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Me after the strengths video: Hey, maybe he can be like a poor man's stretch five Bosh
Me after Weaknesses: Chit, he ain't even PJ Brown.

I gotta be honest. Considering he will likely be there for us midway through the first round, I see a lot of weaknesses that Spo's staff can easily fix over time, provided he works hard and has a good head on his shoulders. I know you all see this as well.

SlowPaced · Post #332 » by **SlowPaced** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:20 am

I think we should trade down and acquire two picks instead of one, honestly.

I'm not too high on the players that are going to at the range we're projected to pick at.

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #333 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:15 pm

SlowPaced wrote:I think we should trade down and acquire two picks instead of one, honestly.

I'm not too high on the players that are going to at the range we're projected to pick at.

Who are the 2 players you'd trade down for with a 17th pick? Would you really trade a player with some real potential like Hartenstein, Patton and Leaf for 2 2nd rounders(you're probably not getting better than that unless you're also packaging a player) while you could've just signed undrafted players?

SlowPaced · Post #334 » by **SlowPaced** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:58 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:I think we should trade down and acquire two picks instead of one, honestly.

I'm not too high on the players that are going to at the range we're projected to pick at.

Who are the 2 players you'd trade down for with a 17th pick? Would you really trade a player with some real potential like Hartenstein, Patton and Leaf for 2 2nd rounders(you're probably not getting better than that unless you're also packaging a player) while you could've just signed undrafted players?

Not two 2nd rounders, I'm talking one pick in late 1st at least.

I've already given my rationale as "I'm not too high on the players projected to go at our range" which means I'm not high on Hartenstein and Leaf either. Patton is a C and we have Hassan anyway. Some players I like that are projected to go late 20s/early 30s now: Jawun Evans, Donovan Mitchell, Josh Hart, Allonzo Trier, Jordan Bell, Semi Ojeleye.

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #335 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:00 pm

SlowPaced wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:I think we should trade down and acquire two picks instead of one, honestly.

I'm not too high on the players that are going to at the range we're projected to pick at.

Who are the 2 players you'd trade down for with a 17th pick? Would you really trade a player with some real potential like Hartenstein, Patton and Leaf for 2 2nd rounders(you're probably not getting better than that unless you're also packaging a player) while you could've just signed undrafted players?

Not two 2nd rounders, I'm talking one pick in late 1st at least.

I've already given my rationale as "I'm not too high on the players projected to go at our range" which means I'm not high on Hartenstein and Leaf either. Patton is a C and we have Hassan anyway. Some players I like that are projected to go late 20s/early 30s now: Jawun Evans, Donovan Mitchell, Josh Hart, Allonzo Trier, Jordan Bell, Semi Ojeleye.

I don't understand though. Why would you trade a pick for 2 lower ones that don't have as much potential as the pick you traded because you don't think the player picked is good? Patton's a C and we have Hassan but if Patton develops into a decent player we could always trade him to make one of our positions stronger or not pay to keep Hassan after his contract is up. Anyways, defensively I'm sure that Patton can guard 4s(he's quick enough to) and he's working on his 3-point shot so offense might not be a problem with a Whiteside/Patton frontcourt. The main problem I have with your statements is that you're essentially reducing our chances of drafting a future star or decent player from 20% to 4%.

SlowPaced · Post #336 » by **SlowPaced** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:09 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:The main problem I have with your statements is that you're essentially reducing our chances of drafting a future star or decent player from 20% to 4%.

Well that's because you have the feeling that there's some star potential in that 13-18 range. I don't. Might as well get two promising players instead of one.

Heat_Fan_87 · Post #337 » by **Heat_Fan_87** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:14 pm

i think you just pick BPA at 17 or wherever we pick, hope we find a solid contributor, preferably a nice stretch 4.

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #338 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:01 pm

SlowPaced wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:The main problem I have with your statements is that you're essentially reducing our chances of drafting a future star or decent player from 20% to 4%.

Well that's because you have the feeling that there's some star potential in that 13-18 range. I don't. Might as well get two promising players instead of one.

I do because history tells me that there's a high chance there is and history(stats, past performance etc.) also tells me that Hartenstein and Patton are very likely to be productive NBA players. The players you listed are promising but not as promising as a top 17 pick. I'm trying to roll a 4 with a 6 sided die and you're trying to roll for atleast one 4 with a 14 sided die with 2 attempts.

Post #339 » by **DayofMourning** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:09 pm

Hoopshype tackles the PFs, and even has us getting Giles:

Which of these guys can chuck it at a high percentage?

Do we basically have a shot at drafting anyone from two down?

Bishop45 · Post #340 » by **Bishop45** » Sat Apr 1, 2017 1:01 pm

So many prospects that in a vacuum are all closely rated that I can't tell how to categorize them so that there's a clear leading prospect

Wish he had more definitive U18 numbers but for the culture, more Hartylights. One obvious upside is that he'd be a really mobile 5, so strictly a 5 for Culture puproposes

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Ojeleye's rumored wingspan very similar to Winslow's so I have no real doubt that he could play the 4 and 3. Semi-Truck, Jesus Semi's-worth, Jesusemillianaire... We'll work on the rest some other time, dom

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Still a lot of 4 potential but big injury clause for a raw player... dn't know

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Timmy Turner's actually probably the best all around prospect in terms of skill, versatility and age but he seems dank in the upside department. Wonder what Heat scouts are thinking

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Who do you want from realistic options such as T.J. Leaf? Vote T.J. Now