Proposed 2017-18 Celtics Roster? -- (UPDATE)

[Parliament10]

If we don't get a Starting Center in the Offseason, you think that Žižić could actually Start?

And, what would that make us, if he did?

I'm gonna say no. I think he's going to struggle with foul trouble early on. As an energy big off the bench is likely the best scenario for him

Yeah. I agree about that foul Trouble.
Just wondering about Olynyk, as I believe that Žižić would push him back, in the Rotation.


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BKN 17' / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

[Homerclease]

If we don't get a Starting Center in the Offseason, you think that Žižić could actually Start?

And, what would that make us, if he did?

I'm gonna say no. I think he's going to struggle with foul trouble early on. As an energy big off the bench is likely the best scenario for him

Yeah. I agree about that foul Trouble.
Just wondering about Olynyk, as I believe that Žižić would push him back, in the Rotation.


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BKN 17' / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

Hate to say it but if we whiff on a max I can see them bringing back both KO and Amir.

[Parliament10]

I'm gonna say no. I think he's going to struggle with foul trouble early on. As an energy big off the bench is likely the best scenario for him

Yeah. I agree about that foul Trouble.
Just wondering about Olynyk, as I believe that Žižić would push him back, in the Rotation.


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BKN 17' / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

Hate to say it but if we whiff on a max I can see them bringing back both KO and Amir.

Grandpa Amir?

He's declining really badly. But, if he comes in at Jerebko's current contract, then I might take him.
Amir on the Bench would be an idea.

Start Jerebko, in that case, and then have Žižić be one of the first off the Bench.

[Parliament10]

This will probably change a Million times, over the next 6 months.
But roughly the following:


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BRK-17' / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart - / Rozier? / Two-Way Contract
Butler? / Crowder? / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Žižić -- / Olynyk / Two-Way Contract / Mickey?


Bradley seems the likeliest to be Traded, of the Core. Just for Financial reasons.
Though, I also can't see a SF-FA coming, and Crowder remaining on the Team.

We don't need both Rozier and Jackson. At least one has to go.
Amir may stay, along with Jerebko and Olynyk.

Zeller, Young & Mickey all have writing on the Wall.
I also doubt Green stays, with all the Youth coming in.

None of this is Written in Stone, though.
And, all things remain Flexible.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

If we don't get a Starting Center in the Offseason, you think that Žižić could actually Start?

And, what would that make us, if he did?

I'm gonna say no. I think he's going to struggle with foul trouble early on. As an energy big off the bench is likely the best scenario for him

Yeah. I agree about that foul Trouble.
Just wondering about Olynyk, as I believe that Žižić would push him back, in the Rotation.


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BKN 17' / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

**** Nightmare roster

[LarryBirdsFingr]

This will probably change a Million times, over the next 6 months.
But roughly the following:


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BRK-17' / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart - / Rozier? / Two-Way Contract
Butler? / Crowder? / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Žižić -- / Olynyk / Two-Way Contract / Mickey?


Bradley seems the likeliest to be Traded, of the Core. Just for Financial reasons.
Though, I also can't see a SF-FA coming, and Crowder remaining on the Team.

We don't need both Rozier and Jackson. At least one has to go.
Amir may stay, along with Jerebko and Olynyk.

Zeller, Young & Mickey all have writing on the Wall.
I also doubt Green stays, with all the Youth coming in.

None of this is Written in Stone, though.
And, all things remain Flexible.

this version is a little better

[2Mas]

This will probably change a Million times, over the next 6 months.
But roughly the following:


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / BRK-17' / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart - / Rozier? / Two-Way Contract
Butler? / Crowder? / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Žižić -- / Olynyk / Two-Way Contract / Mickey?


Bradley seems the likeliest to be Traded, of the Core. Just for Financial reasons.
Though, I also can't see a SF-FA coming, and Crowder remaining on the Team.

We don't need both Rozier and Jackson. At least one has to go.
Amir may stay, along with Jerebko and Olynyk.

Zeller, Young & Mickey all have writing on the Wall.
I also doubt Green stays, with all the Youth coming in.

None of this is Written in Stone, though.
And, all things remain Flexible.

How do we get Butler? While keeping the BK pick?

[Curmudgeon]

I don't understand how to choose intelligently given how the poll in this thread is constructed. Let's start with the current roster and go from there.

Avery Bradley
Jaylen Brown
Jae Crowder
Gerald Green
Al Horford
Demetrius Jackson
Jonas Jerebko
Amir Johnson
Jordan Mickey
Kelly Olynyk
Terry Rozier
Marcus Smart
Isaiah Thomas
James Young
Tyler Zeller

In addition to those 15, the Celtics have:
Ante Zizic
Guerschon Yabusele
Abdul Nader
2017 First round pick. Let's call him Lonzo Fultz for the time being.
Three 2017 second round picks

Next year roster size goes up to 17 with the new two-way contracts. So with 22 guys under control (or potentially under control), 5 guys will have to go or be non-roster players, regardless of your "philosophy" of how the roster should be constructed.

1. I think it's safe to say that Johnson, Zeller, Young and Green will be gone. All have expiring contracts. They will be replaced by Zizic, Yabusele, Nader and Fultz. As first round picks, Zizic, Yabusele and Fultz are not eligibe for two-way contracts, but Nader is. The player taken with #37 this June will also be a strong candidate for a two-way, especially if they can get someone like Jonathan Motley or Jordan Bell. Jerebko may also be gone, but he's more valuable than the other three and makes less money, so who knows?

2. Mickey, Jackson and Rozier are highly expendible. None of them is eligible for a two-way contract because they are already signed. Jackson and Rozier have some talent, but the team has a glut of guards and needs to get bigger. The guard glut will likely be even larger after the draft.

3. The two late second rounders will either be traded, consolidated or used for players Ainge can stash, e.g. Alpha Kaba, Aleksandar Vezenkov or Matthias Lessort.

4. Olynyk is 50-50 in my view. I don't think Ainge will match offers over 10-11 million annually.

5. Even if Olynyk, Jerebko, Rozier, Mickey and Jackson all stay, they will have roster room for one free agent.

So regardless of your philosophy as to who should be traded and who should be kept, and barring draft night trades, the working depth chart will be very close to this after the quiet period ends:

C: Horford Olynyk Zizic
PF: Jerebko Yabusele Mickey
SF: Crowder Brown Nader
SG: Bradley Smart
PG: Thomas Fultz Rozier Jackson

That's 15, which leaves room for a free agent and another two way contact, plus two stashed picks (#53, #54).

[Parliament10]

I don't understand how to choose intelligently given how the poll in this thread is constructed. Let's start with the current roster and go from there.

Avery Bradley
Jaylen Brown
Jae Crowder
Gerald Green
Al Horford
Demetrius Jackson
Jonas Jerebko
Amir Johnson
Jordan Mickey
Kelly Olynyk
Terry Rozier
Marcus Smart
Isaiah Thomas
James Young
Tyler Zeller

In addition to those 15, the Celtics have:
Ante Zizic
Guerschon Yabusele
Abdul Nader
2017 First round pick. Let's call him Lonzo Fultz for the time being.
Three 2017 second round picks

Next year roster size goes up to 17 with the new two-way contracts. So with 22 guys under control (or potentially under control), 5 guys will have to go or be non-roster players, regardless of your "philosophy" of how the roster should be constructed.

1. I think it's safe to say that Johnson, Zeller, Young and Green will be gone. All have expiring contracts. They will be replaced by Zizic, Yabusele, Nader and Fultz. As first round picks, Zizic, Yabusele and Fultz are not eligibe for two-way contracts, but Nader is. The player taken with #37 this June will also be a strong candidate for a two-way, especially if they can get someone like Jonathan Motley or Jordan Bell. Jerebko may also be gone, but he's more valuable than the other three and makes less money, so who knows?

2. Mickey, Jackson and Rozier are highly expendible. None of them is eligible for a two-way contract because they are already signed. Jackson and Rozier have some talent, but the team has a glut of guards and needs to get bigger. The guard glut will likely be even larger after the draft.

3. The two late second rounders will either be traded, consolidated or used for players Ainge can stash, e.g. Alpha Kaba, Aleksandar Vezenkov or Matthias Lessort.

4. Olynyk is 50-50 in my view. I don't think Ainge will match offers over 10-11 million annually.

5. Even if Olynyk, Jerebko, Rozier, Mickey and Jackson all stay, they will have roster room for one free agent.

So regardless of your philosophy as to who should be traded and who should be kept, and barring draft night trades, the working depth chart will be very close to this after the quiet period ends:

C: Horford Olynyk Zizic
PF: Jerebko Yabusele Mickey
SF: Crowder Brown Nader
SG: Bradley Smart
PG: Thomas Fultz Rozier Jackson

That's 15, which leaves room for a free agent and another two way contact, plus two stashed picks (#53, #54).

I like the look of this. Very Well constructed.

One thing -- Rozier has a fully guaranteed contract, and was a 1st Rounder. But, Mickey & Jackson (in part) can be waived, and re-signed as Two-Way Contracts. If I read it right, it's players up to 3 years, in the League.

[Curmudgeon]

Can a player now be waived and then resigned immediately by the same team that waived him? I thought there was a rule against that. Also, a player has to clear waivers in order to be resigned, and if he does clear he becomes an unrestricted free agent, free to sell his services anywhere.

[TheOGJabroni]

Right now:

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Young
Crowder / Brown / Green
Johnson / Jerebko / Mickey
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

Guys that are expiring left out:

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart
Crowder / Brown
Mickey
Horford

Add Kelly to this with a 7 mil cap hold.
Add Zizic & Yabusele (possibly Nader too-not sure if we can squeeze him in when all is said & done-will be dependent on final salary #).
Trade Bradley & Rozier for the best possible draft pick package in 2018 or later.
Draft Fultz #1 (for the sake of expecting needing the amount of cap space to sign a #1 pick).
Cut Mickey's non-guaranteed deal, keep Jackson as a cheaper Rozier replacement (every dollar counts).
Sign Hayward in free agency.
Sign Kelly to long term deal.
Sign Amir (or another capable big) to the Room MLE (to put us over the cap)
Sign Green to another vet minimum contract.
Hopefully find another big willing to take a vet minimum contract to round out this roster:

Thomas / Fultz / Jackson
Hayward / Smart / Green
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Johnson / Olynyk / Yabusele
Horford / Zizic

*Could also renounce Kelly and keep Bradley and trade one of our guards for a big man. Slight variations can obviously apply.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Sign Kelly to long term deal.
Sign Amir

[OFWGKTA]

Draft Fultz

Crowder/Horford/Brooklyn 18 for Turner and salary we re-route to a tanking team for a minor asset

Sign Hayward

Sign Griffin


IT/Fultz
AB/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Griffin/MLE guy/Yabu
Turner/Zizic

[BRUNiNHO91]

Draft Fultz

Crowder/Horford/Brooklyn 18 for Turner and salary we re-route to a tanking team for a minor asset

Sign Hayward

Sign Griffin


IT/Fultz
AB/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Griffin/MLE guy/Yabu
Turner/Zizic

Turner is probably more untouchable than George at this point. No way that package gets him unless George asks for it to happen.

[Curmudgeon]

I'd move Horford, Bradley and Rozier to Detroit for Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson. Drummond is a flawed player but he solves the Celtics' biggest problem: rebounding. Jackson is signed through 2020 for about the same money you would have to pay Bradley to keep him. Rozier is a sweetner.

I would also offer the Celtics 2017 pick to the Knicks for the Knicks pick (#7) and Hernangomez. I'm not as high on Fultz or Ball as some people here.

[brackdan70]

I would assume we consider a draft day trade for George or Butler including the pick, Brown and perhaps more...good chance Indy and Chicago both don't want to play unless they get everything so Ainge says never mind. I guess there is about 15% chance of a trade going down. if Brown, the Pick and one of Bradley / Crowder are involved there is still possibly room to have max free agent space.

assuming no trade or a trade that sends enough out to retain cap space, I would assume hard pursuit of FAs Griffin and Hayward. if one decides to sign, Ainge has to make a ton of roster moves including releasing Bird rights to Olynyk, stashing Yabasule again, and something else, either trading Rozier for Picks or stashing Zizic. I think maybe 10% chance unless we do trade for George or Butler. and retain space...then maybe 35% chance.

assuming no trade and no max FA the Cs have near 19 million in cap space without tossing Olynyk in the **** and other moves mentioned above. I would assume considering a decent big man FA that falls into that Salary range...not sure who that is
I would like to think maybe 40-50% chance if nothing else goes down.

if we use the space then can sign a midlevel guy starting at 8 million if anyone out there appeals.

I am betting on this for next year, but hoping for better.

Thomas / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Fultz / Rozier
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele / Mickey
Zizic / Olynyk / overpaid FA big

assuming some 2nd rounders get stashed or 2-way contracts.

[Curmudgeon]

Hayward is a nice player but he solves nothing. Neither does George, given what you would have to give up to get him.

This team is too small. It needs big people who aren't marshmallows.

[Homerclease]

Hayward is a nice player but he solves nothing. Neither does George, given what you would have to give up to get him.

This team is too small. It needs big people who aren't marshmallows.

They didn't lose game 2 because of their size, they lost because they turned the ball over far too often and missed a ton of wide open quality looks. Another alpha scoring option is a bigger priority than a banger IMO, especially with Zizic on the way. I'm ready to pay the price for George at this point. He seems the more likely to become available assuming the pacers get swept and the bulls eventually advance

[Curmudgeon]

Well, George is a better player than Butler. The question is whether or not you can get George to sign long term if you trade for him.

With all due respect, they lost BOTH games against Chicago because the got killed on the boards. Bigger doesn't necessarily mean more rebounds, but it sure helps. The only Celtic 6-6 or taller who isn't a marshmallow on the boards is Crowder.

[BRUNiNHO91]

I would assume we consider a draft day trade for George or Butler including the pick, Brown and perhaps more...good chance Indy and Chicago both don't want to play unless they get everything so Ainge says never mind. I guess there is about 15% chance of a trade going down. if Brown, the Pick and one of Bradley / Crowder are involved there is still possibly room to have max free agent space.

assuming no trade or a trade that sends enough out to retain cap space, I would assume hard pursuit of FAs Griffin and Hayward. if one decides to sign, Ainge has to make a ton of roster moves including releasing Bird rights to Olynyk, stashing Yabasule again, and something else, either trading Rozier for Picks or stashing Zizic. I think maybe 10% chance unless we do trade for George or Butler. and retain space...then maybe 35% chance.

assuming no trade and no max FA the Cs have near 19 million in cap space without tossing Olynyk in the **** and other moves mentioned above. I would assume considering a decent big man FA that falls into that Salary range...not sure who that is
I would like to think maybe 40-50% chance if nothing else goes down.

if we use the space then can sign a midlevel guy starting at 8 million if anyone out there appeals.

I am betting on this for next year, but hoping for better.

Thomas / Smart / Jackson
Bradley / Fultz / Rozier
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele / Mickey
Zizic / Olynyk / overpaid FA big

assuming some 2nd rounders get stashed or 2-way contracts.

I'd rather max Zach Randolph or Jamychal Green for the year than bring back Olynyk.

To me this roster either has Isaiah, Horford, a star from trade and a star from free agency or it has a straight up youth movement.

If we want to stay im the middle like we have been, maybe try to use Jae and AB to get Marc Gasol?..I think the guy has a good 4 or 5 seasons left in him and we could probably get him without giving up Brown or the BKN picks.

Isaiah, Fultz, Brown or Brown, Tatum, Horford and Gasol
Rozier, Smart, Nader, Yabu and Zizic. **** it. Just need to see this roster with real talent or real star power. **** the role player bs.