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And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd

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Re: And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd 

Post#1721 » by OAKLEY_2 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:14 am

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ranger001 wrote:Actually an average vertical is around 16 to 20 inches. An NCAA Div1 player has a vertical around 27-30 inches. So he is not remarkable but not really under average. Maybe you are more athletic than you have been giving yourself credit for.


Yeah, well look how Bruno turned out with that philosophy. But I give you that he has done better than average so far in the draft.


While we will take BPA as determined by their staff yes there will be boxes ticked.

1. Overall Athleticism
2. Wingspan
3. Scoring high in their drills, agility etc.
4. High D proficiency including concepts and abilities
5. Maturity
6. Three point shooting


2K Feruguson since you didn't put strength. Hopefully keep Ibaka and Tucker for the muscle on the team.


Ferguson sounds like TRoss II.
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Re: And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd 

Post#1722 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:30 am

What do we think of Semi Ojeleye? Can he be a 3nD SF? His shooting looks good stats wise. How is his defense? His length is unimpressive but he's super athletic. Could he be a better PJ Tucker?
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Post#1723 » by OAKLEY_2 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:45 am

I like the name Semi. Big Semi. I do think we are lining up for a wing pick.
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Re: And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd 

Post#1724 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:48 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:I like the name Semi. Big Semi. I do think we are lining up for a wing pick.

If we get him ill get a semi..
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Re: And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd 

Post#1725 » by OAKLEY_2 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:00 am

Kaba looks like a better prospect than Semi IMHO.
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Re: And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd 

Post#1726 » by Psubs » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:13 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:What do we think of Semi Ojeleye? Can he be a 3nD SF? His shooting looks good stats wise. How is his defense? His length is unimpressive but he's super athletic. Could he be a better PJ Tucker?


Right now he seems like Corey Maggette with 3-pt range.
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HeadtopChunes wrote:What do we think of Semi Ojeleye? Can he be a 3nD SF? His shooting looks good stats wise. How is his defense? His length is unimpressive but he's super athletic. Could he be a better PJ Tucker?


Right now he seems like Corey Maggette with 3-pt range.


Bad defender then?
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HeadtopChunes wrote:What do we think of Semi Ojeleye? Can he be a 3nD SF? His shooting looks good stats wise. How is his defense? His length is unimpressive but he's super athletic. Could he be a better PJ Tucker?


Right now he seems like Corey Maggette with 3-pt range.


Bad defender then?


He doesn't get many steals or blocks. So he either doesn't gamble or is passive on the defensive end. Let's just assume he's like Derozan on defense.
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Post#1729 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:06 am

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Right now he seems like Corey Maggette with 3-pt range.


Bad defender then?


He doesn't get many steals or blocks. So he either doesn't gamble or is passive on the defensive end. Let's just assume he's like Derozan on defense.


If the defense isn't there I don't see Masai drafting him. Still hoping OG can somehow be ours.
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Post#1730 » by JohnWillow » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:43 pm

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ranger001 wrote:The average nba vertical is apparently 28 inches so he's right there.



Have you actually looked at tape to call him a slow player? There's a lot more to athleticism than vertical. First step, lateral movement, reflexes. And stuff like craftiness, change of speed and acceleration alter that too.

jp tokoto had a crazy vertical and was drafted 58th then got cut.


Read the research and use your brain.

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but this is a basketball forum. I would think some of you guys would either play sports, coached sports, or do a little reading about athletics before talking out of your ass. For my part I'm no great athlete, but through research and being my own guinea pig(I work part time in the fitness field), I've learned that strength increases qualities like speed and agility and I've also learned that vertical jump is closely tied to speed/acceleration. That's because it uses largely the same muscles, though different muscles are more dominant. There are articles and books which go into greater detail. You can also look at previous NBA and NFL draft combine numbers and find the correlation between max vertical, agility and sprint tests. They are not entirely different areas. They are all derived from power. Yes, technique and knowledge of the game determine how much you get out of your athletic abilities, but if you are a slow twitch/average athlete to begin with guess what...you will likely suck at the next level. The exceptions are typically guys who are phenomenally skilled in some area. If Kurucs was that skilled at anything, he'd be ranked higher in virtually every board. He isn't. He's going to suck defensively and I'd bet money on it.


let's bet, gonna put 100 $, that you are deadly wrong, all last year he was a lottery talent even TOP 10 pick in a lot of mock drafts, but he got injured and now was dropping because of that.

And I heard somewhere here that he is next Hezonja, only comparison to Hezonja is because they played for the same team in Europe. :lol:

Kuruc first step is freaking quick.

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Those measurements was taken when he was 15 :rofl:
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We also face the Kings twice in the near future. I think it's time Yabu pays back some of that free money he's been given his entire career and bounces Fox for a nice 2 week ankle sprain.
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Re: And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd 

Post#1731 » by CoachJReturns » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:30 pm

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ranger001 wrote:The average nba vertical is apparently 28 inches so he's right there.



Have you actually looked at tape to call him a slow player? There's a lot more to athleticism than vertical. First step, lateral movement, reflexes. And stuff like craftiness, change of speed and acceleration alter that too.

jp tokoto had a crazy vertical and was drafted 58th then got cut.


Read the research and use your brain.

So you're confessing that you haven't actually looked yourself. You were the one wrong about vertical so yeah I am going to not trust your regurgitation.

Don't be an ass and put words in people's mouths. That's childish ****. I've seen the video and to me he's a very, very average player and a below average NBA athlete. On top of lacking explosiveness I've read scouting reports describing his lack of lateral quickness, which I think anyone would agree is pretty significant for a wing. If we want to say his vertical jump is average at the NBA level(great that means I'm an NBA level explosive athlete lol) we're forgetting that position matters a great deal. There are still a few slow, plodding centers(JV, Kanter etc.) who bring down the average athleticism of the league, but for other positions it's significantly higher. A wing with good size doesn't need to fly like a point guard, but to be a good defender(not player, defender) at the next level requires being a decent athlete at your position.
Drafting a guy who is a poor athlete at his respective position and expecting him to be anything other than a poor defender is an unrealistic expectation to say the least. The guys who manage to do so are typically players who were not average in their prime and are living off of years and years of pro experience. So I will admit it's possible to be a good team defender with average to below average athleticism at your position as an NBA veteran, but not as a player in his early years. He's going to be one of the worst defenders taken in the 1st round. To be fair to Kurucs and every other rookie, most rookies struggle defensively. In his case though I think he's never going to be much of a defender.
This is all a moot point however, because, in my opinion, there is little chance our front office would even draft this guy. As much as I'm not interested in him as a pick, I think even Semi is a more likely candidate. Kurucs won't suck as an NBA player. He's a skilled Euro scorer. He'll be a one way player, however, in my own opinion and this current Raptor team seems to value defensive potential a great deal.
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Re: And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd 

Post#1732 » by CoachJReturns » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:46 pm

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HeadtopChunes wrote:What do we think of Semi Ojeleye? Can he be a 3nD SF? His shooting looks good stats wise. How is his defense? His length is unimpressive but he's super athletic. Could he be a better PJ Tucker?


Right now he seems like Corey Maggette with 3-pt range.

He's built like him I guess. But Corey averaged 16 points a game over a very long career. He wasn't efficient, but that's still probably setting the bar a little high. Remember when Corey would always play great against the Raptors? Lol.
I get why you made the comparison though, at least physically. There aren't many small forwards with that crazy muscularity Corey had.
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Post#1733 » by S ID » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:52 am

Harry Giles. Or whatever player has the highest ceiling at 23 no matter the risk.
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Post#1734 » by CoachJReturns » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:53 am

Trade DeMar for the highest pick possible. Take DSJ and rebuild from the ground up.
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Post#1735 » by HeadtopChunes » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:40 am

Can JV get us a lottery pick?
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Post#1736 » by UneducatedFan86 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:55 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:Can JV get us a lottery pick?


In this draft? Probably not. Maybe something in the 13-19 range. But I don't see us getting a top 10 pick. If you want a top 10 pick, we have to put up Derozan, and even then I don't think we'd get anything in the top 5 for him. This is a good draft.
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Post#1737 » by LonZoBallin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:30 am

I warned all you clowns but you know everything so okay.

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Post#1738 » by C-R-E-A-M- » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:19 am

If they get bounced in the first round and lowry walks do you guys think Masai can get a top 10 pick in this years draft with Demar? Maybe a team like LA or Minnesota might want him
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Post#1739 » by CoachJReturns » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:38 pm

C-R-E-A-M- wrote:If they get bounced in the first round and lowry walks do you guys think Masai can get a top 10 pick in this years draft with Demar? Maybe a team like LA or Minnesota might want him

Of course. Maybe not top 3 but top 10 easily. That's enough for a guy with star potential at least in this top 10 heavy draft. Take DSJ and embrace the rebuild.
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Post#1740 » by LonZoBallin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:52 pm

Can we keep this thread sticky'd?

It's the only thread that really matters until the draft is over

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