Jonathan Jeanne

[Prokorov]

I'm really not sure how to rate this guy. Earlier I had him as a real sleeper. A guy who would go mid to late first round and turn into a real force. I like his shot, length, agility and mobility. He seems to have above average feet and hands. Long term I see him as a PF, and small ball Center. The problem is he seems to be dropping on everybody's draft boards and oddly shrinking... Earlier he was 7'3, then 7'2 now 7'1". I've read reports that he's developing well and others that he's not progressing and is developing an attitude.
Does anyone know what's really going on?

i dont know if its his size dropping him but this dude who watches international ball mentioned him on the nets board so i downloaded and watched his games. first thing that stood out... dude is a turnover machine. fumbles it away, no awareness when being doubled or if someone comes from the weak side and forces blind passes alot.

that said, he is super fluid and graceful for his size. so i can see why people see the potential... not may 7'2" guys can blitz a pick and roll. he does/has the potential to.

[BlazersBroncos]

His hands really scare me. That's what separates Gobert from a lot of guys that came into the league skinny with size, he has excellent hands (And lets not discount an elite work ethic). Its hard to teach hands, some have them and some don't. This kid doesn't seem to have them. I think high-to-middle R2, but can see a team taking him low R1 to stash trying to find the next Gobert.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

EDIT: Sorry, got confused with Bolden.

I don't like his size. He's Ingram skinny. I don't think he can make it work at the NBA level.

[doordoor123]

EDIT: Sorry, got confused with Bolden.

I don't like his size. He's Ingram skinny. I don't think he can make it work at the NBA level.

As a skinny player Ingram has really played well, especially defensively.

[EvanZ]

EDIT: Sorry, got confused with Bolden.

I don't like his size. He's Ingram skinny. I don't think he can make it work at the NBA level.

As a skinny player Ingram has really played well, especially defensively.

Are you trolling again or is this a real take?

[doordoor123]

EDIT: Sorry, got confused with Bolden.

I don't like his size. He's Ingram skinny. I don't think he can make it work at the NBA level.

As a skinny player Ingram has really played well, especially defensively.

Are you trolling again or is this a real take?

Do you watch basketball or nah?

[EvanZ]

As a skinny player Ingram has really played well, especially defensively.

Are you trolling again or is this a real take?

Do you watch basketball or nah?

Yeah, but I'm not sure we're watching the same game. Are we talking about the Ingram that shot 62% from the free throw line, 29% on 3s, 47.4% TS overall, 8.5 PER, and ranked #459 in RPM this season? That Ingram?

Because that Ingram was terrible as a rookie on both ends of the court. He shows some flashes of something, but he's very far from being a useful NBA player.

But, of course, now you'll tell me you were trolling. Just as you did a few years after telling me Jimmer would be an All-Star.

[doordoor123]

Are you trolling again or is this a real take?

Do you watch basketball or nah?

Yeah, but I'm not sure we're watching the same game. Are we talking about the Ingram that shot 62% from the free throw line, 29% on 3s, 47.4% TS overall, 8.5 PER, and ranked #459 in RPM this season? That Ingram?

Because that Ingram was terrible as a rookie on both ends of the court. He shows some flashes of something, but he's very far from being a useful NBA player.

But, of course, now you'll tell me you were trolling. Just as you did a few years after telling me Jimmer would be an All-Star.

Well you clearly are only looking at the stats. He got better as the year went on, gained more confidence and started attacking the basket more.

In terms of defense, he was the only one stopping guys, especially the second half of the season. The only times he had trouble was when guys would overpower him in the post. It started happening less in the second half of the season because someone taught him how to use his length. He even has a quote saying that he learned his length has advantages. Dude, watch more basketball and stop relying on statistics.

You're clearly the one trolling. It's the only thing you're good for apparently.

[EvanZ]

Do you watch basketball or nah?

Yeah, but I'm not sure we're watching the same game. Are we talking about the Ingram that shot 62% from the free throw line, 29% on 3s, 47.4% TS overall, 8.5 PER, and ranked #459 in RPM this season? That Ingram?

Because that Ingram was terrible as a rookie on both ends of the court. He shows some flashes of something, but he's very far from being a useful NBA player.

But, of course, now you'll tell me you were trolling. Just as you did a few years after telling me Jimmer would be an All-Star.

Well you clearly are only looking at the stats. He got better as the year went on, gained more confidence and started attacking the basket more.

In terms of defense, he was the only one stopping guys, especially the second half of the season. The only times he had trouble was when guys would overpower him in the post. It started happening less in the second half of the season because someone taught him how to use his length. He even has a quote saying that he learned his length has advantages. Dude, watch more basketball and stop relying on statistics.

You're clearly the one trolling. It's the only thing you're good for apparently.

Ok, so for the record, you say you're not trolling. Good to know.

[doordoor123]

Yeah, but I'm not sure we're watching the same game. Are we talking about the Ingram that shot 62% from the free throw line, 29% on 3s, 47.4% TS overall, 8.5 PER, and ranked #459 in RPM this season? That Ingram?

Because that Ingram was terrible as a rookie on both ends of the court. He shows some flashes of something, but he's very far from being a useful NBA player.

But, of course, now you'll tell me you were trolling. Just as you did a few years after telling me Jimmer would be an All-Star.

Well you clearly are only looking at the stats. He got better as the year went on, gained more confidence and started attacking the basket more.

In terms of defense, he was the only one stopping guys, especially the second half of the season. The only times he had trouble was when guys would overpower him in the post. It started happening less in the second half of the season because someone taught him how to use his length. He even has a quote saying that he learned his length has advantages. Dude, watch more basketball and stop relying on statistics.

You're clearly the one trolling. It's the only thing you're good for apparently.

Ok, so for the record, you say you're not trolling. Good to know.

Okay, for the record you're wrong yet again. Yet again you're not watching basketball and judging a game of basketball on numbers and not considering the actual game, undermining the actual development players go through and changes that happen naturally throughout time. It's like you're in denial of human physiology and its relationship with time.

[EvanZ]

Well you clearly are only looking at the stats. He got better as the year went on, gained more confidence and started attacking the basket more.

In terms of defense, he was the only one stopping guys, especially the second half of the season. The only times he had trouble was when guys would overpower him in the post. It started happening less in the second half of the season because someone taught him how to use his length. He even has a quote saying that he learned his length has advantages. Dude, watch more basketball and stop relying on statistics.

You're clearly the one trolling. It's the only thing you're good for apparently.

Ok, so for the record, you say you're not trolling. Good to know.

Okay, for the record you're wrong yet again. Yet again you're not watching basketball and judging a game of basketball on numbers and not considering the actual game, undermining the actual development players go through and changes that happen naturally throughout time. It's like you're in denial of human physiology and its relationship with time.

I watched Ingram. He's just bad right now. You said "he's played very well". I don't know what you're watching tbh.

[doordoor123]

Ok, so for the record, you say you're not trolling. Good to know.

Okay, for the record you're wrong yet again. Yet again you're not watching basketball and judging a game of basketball on numbers and not considering the actual game, undermining the actual development players go through and changes that happen naturally throughout time. It's like you're in denial of human physiology and its relationship with time.

I watched Ingram. He's just bad right now. You said "he's played very well". I don't know what you're watching tbh.

I said AS A SKINNY PLAYER he has played really well. I could have said Skal Labissiere too. And yes, he has played well, granted I didn't say he has played well all season and I didn't say he's automatically a superstar. All I said was that he has been playing really well AS A SKINNY PLAYER. And he has been, recently, yes.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

EDIT: Sorry, got confused with Bolden.

I don't like his size. He's Ingram skinny. I don't think he can make it work at the NBA level.

As a skinny player Ingram has really played well, especially defensively.

Wait... what? Ingram has played... well? Are you sure that's the word you meant to use?

[GimmeDat]

EDIT: Sorry, got confused with Bolden.

I don't like his size. He's Ingram skinny. I don't think he can make it work at the NBA level.

As a skinny player Ingram has really played well, especially defensively.

Wait... what? Ingram has played... well? Are you sure that's the word you meant to use?

He has. Come in leaps and bounds as the season's progressed. I think he's on track relative to the hopes of him as a prospect.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

As a skinny player Ingram has really played well, especially defensively.

Wait... what? Ingram has played... well? Are you sure that's the word you meant to use?

He has. Come in leaps and bounds as the season's progressed. I think he's on track relative to the hopes of him as a prospect.

You can't be serious...

Ingram has been AWFUL. If he's taken leaps and bounds, it's been from AWFUL to somewhat awful. He was suppose to be some great shooter and shot 40, 30, 60 for his rookie year. Play-maker? 2 assists per 1.5 TO's. He got cooked on defense often. Looked half asleep most of the time.

[doordoor123]

Wait... what? Ingram has played... well? Are you sure that's the word you meant to use?

He has. Come in leaps and bounds as the season's progressed. I think he's on track relative to the hopes of him as a prospect.

You can't be serious...

Ingram has been AWFUL. If he's taken leaps and bounds, it's been from AWFUL to somewhat awful. He was suppose to be some great shooter and shot 40, 30, 60 for his rookie year. Play-maker? 2 assists per 1.5 TO's. He got cooked on defense often. Looked half asleep most of the time.

I'm not convinced you've seen a Lakers game recently.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

He has. Come in leaps and bounds as the season's progressed. I think he's on track relative to the hopes of him as a prospect.

You can't be serious...

Ingram has been AWFUL. If he's taken leaps and bounds, it's been from AWFUL to somewhat awful. He was suppose to be some great shooter and shot 40, 30, 60 for his rookie year. Play-maker? 2 assists per 1.5 TO's. He got cooked on defense often. Looked half asleep most of the time.

I'm not convinced you've seen a Lakers game recently.

Funny because I'm not convinced you have

[doordoor123]

You can't be serious...

Ingram has been AWFUL. If he's taken leaps and bounds, it's been from AWFUL to somewhat awful. He was suppose to be some great shooter and shot 40, 30, 60 for his rookie year. Play-maker? 2 assists per 1.5 TO's. He got cooked on defense often. Looked half asleep most of the time.

I'm not convinced you've seen a Lakers game recently.

Funny because I'm not convinced you have

Yet I'm using visual evidence and your argument is numbers

[GimmeDat]

You need to reset the bar on how you evaluate prospects these days - Ingram is still 19 and no where near physically ready.

Some of the games he had and the tools he flashed justify his draft position.

You could probably say the same for Jeanne - even if he turns in to a very good player eventually, I doubt you'd see any positive production for at least a few years from him.

[doordoor123]

You need to reset the bar on how you evaluate prospects these days - Ingram is still 19 and no where near physically ready.

Some of the games he had and the tools he flashed justify his draft position.

You could probably say the same for Jeanne - even if he turns in to a very good player eventually, I doubt you'd see any positive production for at least a few years from him.

Ingram isn't physically ready, but he has been clogging pass lanes, recovering well, hustling for loose balls and poking balls out. He also runs really fluidly with the ball and has flashes of good passing vision. He has also been drawing fouls a lot more and getting to the line more. His three point shot has also been improving, but it's still inconsistent. It's ignorant to assume his numbers say everything. He's looked good and I expect him to be a good productive player next season.