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Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#941 » by pineappleheadindc » Tue May 16, 2017 2:49 am

closg00 wrote:That's right, kiss that 1st round draft pick good-bye. LOL, DC clowned again by another Ernie con, Ted will be happy though.


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Post#942 » by keynote » Tue May 16, 2017 2:53 am

The local media will be happy with this "breakout" season. But we know that Grunfeld wasted another season of Wall's prime.
All he had to do was sign average bench players; if he had, we'd probably be playing the Cavs in the conference finals. Instead, he went out of his way to spend big money on the *worst bench in the league*. Grunfeld gave up a *pick* to get Burke. Grunfeld signed Nicholson to a 4-year deal. He signed a 30 year-old backup C for $60M+. He gave up a first-round pick for Bojan Bogdanovic.

After all his machinations, we ended up with a bench with an unreliable backup PG, no backup SG, and no backup PF.

So, it's no surprise that, in a Game 7, that pitiful Grunfeld-assembled bench came up as small as possible, and basically cost us the season.
Someone tell Leonsis that every season of Wall's prime is precious -- and shouldn't be taken for granted.
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

Post#943 » by P'Oed » Tue May 16, 2017 3:47 am

keynote wrote:The local media will be happy with this "breakout" season. But we know that Grunfeld wasted another season of Wall's prime.
All he had to do was sign average bench players; if he had, we'd probably be playing the Cavs in the conference finals. Instead, he went out of his way to spend big money on the *worst bench in the league*. Grunfeld gave up a *pick* to get Burke. Grunfeld signed Nicholson to a 4-year deal. He signed a 30 year-old backup C for $60M+. He gave up a first-round pick for Bojan Bogdanovic.

After all his machinations, we ended up with a bench with an unreliable backup PG, no backup SG, and no backup PF.

So, it's no surprise that, in a Game 7, that pitiful Grunfeld-assembled bench came up as small as possible, and basically cost us the season.
Someone tell Leonsis that every season of Wall's prime is precious -- and shouldn't be taken for granted.


About 3 or 4 months ago, I got into quite a Twitter spat with ESPN Redskins reporter Jason Reid. He had tweeted something to the affect of "Ernie should win NBA Executive of the Year." I absolutely tore into him and he got EXTREMELY defensive and started calling me stupid, despite me logically laying out what you just did in your post above. I honestly don't understand the protection this man gets from the local media here. I had thought it was the fact that this is a Redskins first town and no one cares blah blah blah but honestly, I think it's more than that. He gets a pass EVERY, SINGLE, TIME. What the ****?
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Re: Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2) 

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Post#945 » by AFM » Tue May 16, 2017 6:22 am

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Somehow, it got worse.
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Post#946 » by FAH1223 » Tue May 16, 2017 12:59 pm

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Somehow, it got worse.


Would have gotten the same result or perhaps better playing Satoransky over Jennings
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Post#947 » by WallToWall » Tue May 16, 2017 2:30 pm

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Somehow, it got worse.


Would have gotten the same result or perhaps better playing Satoransky over Jennings


Sato doesnt (yet) have the handles that Jennings has. We will have trouble bringing the ball up. It will be strip after strip.
Sato may be just a tad better at distributing the ball at this point in their careers.

Sato will improve. Jennings may not.
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Post#948 » by The Consiglieri » Tue May 16, 2017 7:04 pm

It just boggles the mind that this clown is still in charge and will NEVER fire him no matter how thoroughly he torches any hopes of success with this team through his incompetence and craven desire to save his job first, and worry about the actual job he's doing second, at all times.
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Post#949 » by FAH1223 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:01 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:It just boggles the mind that this clown is still in charge and will NEVER fire him no matter how thoroughly he torches any hopes of success with this team through his incompetence and craven desire to save his job first, and worry about the actual job he's doing second, at all times.


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Post#950 » by closg00 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:32 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:It just boggles the mind that this clown is still in charge and will NEVER fire him no matter how thoroughly he torches any hopes of success with this team through his incompetence and craven desire to save his job first, and worry about the actual job he's doing second, at all times.


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Post#951 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue May 16, 2017 9:49 pm

AFM wrote:
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Somehow, it got worse.


And it only cost us a first round draft pick to make it happen.
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Post#952 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue May 16, 2017 9:50 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:It just boggles the mind that this clown is still in charge and will NEVER fire him no matter how thoroughly he torches any hopes of success with this team through his incompetence and craven desire to save his job first, and worry about the actual job he's doing second, at all times.


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Could find/see the replies.

What did they say?

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Post#953 » by FAH1223 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:52 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:It just boggles the mind that this clown is still in charge and will NEVER fire him no matter how thoroughly he torches any hopes of success with this team through his incompetence and craven desire to save his job first, and worry about the actual job he's doing second, at all times.


Click the tweet, read the replies, enjoy. :lol:

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Could find/see the replies.

What did they say?

Did PIF do his thing? If not, PIF, go to it my man.


Click the time stamp of the tweet, you'll see the replies :lol:
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Post#954 » by paulpressey25 » Wed May 17, 2017 2:11 am

I feel for you guys.

All that clown Grunfeld had to do was make one signature move between 2010 and now and you'd be playing in the ECF's tomorrow night.

Instead he's ridden the 2010, 2012 and 2013 high lotto picks (Wall, Beal, Porter) to 45-win seasons and unlimited contract extensions.
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Post#955 » by payitforward » Wed May 17, 2017 2:23 am

FAH1223 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
Click the tweet, read the replies, enjoy. :lol:

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Could find/see the replies.

What did they say?

Did PIF do his thing? If not, PIF, go to it my man.


Click the time stamp of the tweet, you'll see the replies :lol:

Yeah, you can't eliminate the ability to respond in Twitter -- the way Ted has done in his ridiculous blog of self-praise. He got criticized, he didn't like it, he eliminated the ability to criticize him. Problem solved. "The best is yet to come."
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Post#956 » by FAH1223 » Wed May 17, 2017 2:26 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I feel for you guys.

All that clown Grunfeld had to do was make one signature move between 2010 and now and you'd be playing in the ECF's tomorrow night.

Instead he's ridden the 2010, 2012 and 2013 high lotto picks (Wall, Beal, Porter) to 45-win seasons and unlimited contract extensions.


It's very depressing. Our only hope is internal improvement.
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Post#957 » by paulpressey25 » Wed May 17, 2017 2:30 am

FAH1223 wrote:
It's very depressing. Our only hope is internal improvement.


I think you guys used that all up this season. And now you'll be forced to massively overpay Otto Porter.

System sucks but clearly rewards sharp GM"s who take the long-run view of things.
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Post#958 » by zero2hero » Wed May 17, 2017 3:45 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
It's very depressing. Our only hope is internal improvement.


I think you guys used that all up this season. And now you'll be forced to massively overpay Otto Porter.

System sucks but clearly rewards sharp GM"s who take the long-run view of things.


Disagree, still lots of potential for our core. Most people did NOT see the way Beal exploded this year. Before this year, if you were to ask me what I thought Beal's ceiling was, I would've described maybe a slightly better version of his game this year. So the sky's really the limit for him - this was his first full year healthy alongside John Wall (his missed a couple of games but he didn't have those nagging injuries that plagued his previous seasons).

Otto disappointed us post-ASB, but he really started to find his groove during the last half of the Celtics series by showing aggression when he needed to be (he had a stinker game 5 but then again Wall/Beal straight up just took the wheel). As a whole, this season was a good sign of Otto making improvements to his game. He's clearly comfortable here, fits well as the third option, and still very young. If he continues to (at the MINIMUM) make gradually improvements, his contract wouldn't be this massive albatross you're making it seem like.

We just need a competent GM to put together the supporting cast to supplement our core. And I haven't even mentioned John Wall's refinement of his floor game. Should be the best pass-first, two way point guard coming into next season.
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Post#959 » by FAH1223 » Wed May 17, 2017 4:38 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
It's very depressing. Our only hope is internal improvement.


I think you guys used that all up this season. And now you'll be forced to massively overpay Otto Porter.

System sucks but clearly rewards sharp GM"s who take the long-run view of things.


Overpaying Otto isn't a huge problem...the issue is what kind of overpay? Is it a Parsons contract or is it closer to Evan Turner?

we dont have cap space and he's only 23 so we're keeping him regardless..

The Mahinmi signing... along with Nicholson were terrible... we don't have our 1st round pick because Grunfail traded it to get rid of Nicholson's deal for Bogdanovic who should walk
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