Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[HeadtopChunes]

Jakob says hi.

Love Jakob he's so smart. Masai says he'll have the 3pt shot eventually. If only he could catch lobs.

In what little footage there is of him playing internationally, he has shown a perimeter shot. He's going to be the most skilled 7 foot player we've ever had by far. We really don't need a center at all, so unless someone who blows us away is available there's no reason to take one. They'd have to be head and shoulders above anyone else since they'll automatically be behind another very young prospect on the depth chart.

I agree Jakob is promising and no Centers in our range looks better than him. SF or PF is most likely. Wouldn't​ mind a high ceiling PG either.

[HeadtopChunes]

Looks like Semi Ojeleye, Dillon Brooks, Tyler Dorsey, Kobi Simmons, Markis McDufie, and Jonathan Williams today.

[Saciid11]

Love Jakob he's so smart. Masai says he'll have the 3pt shot eventually. If only he could catch lobs.

In what little footage there is of him playing internationally, he has shown a perimeter shot. He's going to be the most skilled 7 foot player we've ever had by far. We really don't need a center at all, so unless someone who blows us away is available there's no reason to take one. They'd have to be head and shoulders above anyone else since they'll automatically be behind another very young prospect on the depth chart.

I agree Jakob is promising and no Centers in our range looks better than him. SF or PF is most likely. Wouldn't​ mind a high ceiling PG either.

Jacob is nice young center, but I still think with the right scouting you can find a better center that might fall to us at 23. I think Bam with his athleticism, rim protection, strength, mobility is much better prospect then Jacob and has much higher ceiling then Jacob. If we have chance to draft Bam or any other center or power forward we feel like has higher ceiling or better game then Jacob we shouldn't think twice about drafting them.

[Tortiglioni]

Ojeleye is a poor man's Joey Graham, but Raptors will draft him based on advanced stats/a computer program (Watson).

[Saciid11]

Ojeleye is a poor man's Joey Graham, but Raptors will draft him based on advanced stats/a computer program (Watson).

This boardl/ franchise loves advanced stats and high character player .. no wonder we drafted so many busts ...

[OAKLEY_2]

Ojeleye is a poor man's Joey Graham, but Raptors will draft him based on advanced stats/a computer program (Watson).

This boardl/ franchise loves advanced stats and high character player .. no wonder we drafted so many busts ...

No the board loves beasts with Wingspan and the "maybe it wil be Crowder II", hope, pray and dream. LOL. If we had our memory banks wiped every year and a Joey Graham clone was in the mix it would be the board fave without any debate.

[OAKLEY_2]

Ojeleye is a poor man's Joey Graham, but Raptors will draft him based on advanced stats/a computer program (Watson).

I doubt it.

[CoachJReturns]

Love Jakob he's so smart. Masai says he'll have the 3pt shot eventually. If only he could catch lobs.

In what little footage there is of him playing internationally, he has shown a perimeter shot. He's going to be the most skilled 7 foot player we've ever had by far. We really don't need a center at all, so unless someone who blows us away is available there's no reason to take one. They'd have to be head and shoulders above anyone else since they'll automatically be behind another very young prospect on the depth chart.

I agree Jakob is promising and no Centers in our range looks better than him. SF or PF is most likely. Wouldn't​ mind a high ceiling PG either.

Frankly, Jakob is better than any center in this draft, same as he was better than any last year. I wouldn't mind if they grabbed Jeanne but that's partly due to at least being able to draft and stash him. Also a guy with his length is a good trade asset.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Pick Semi and be done with it.

[OAKLEY_2]

Pick Semi and be done with it.

Why? He isn't exactly the most fluid player and he will be behind Siakam. We need more twitch.

[DrCoach]

This pick has Harry Giles written all over it

He has Daniel Orton stats which is f-f-frightening. So does Ferguson but at least he has freakish athleticism. I am willing to bet we do not select a centre. Here is my 100 kopec wager.

One of youngest in draft
Tall
Long wingspan
Higest upside
Would be top 3 pick b4 injury

This is Masais MO

[Saciid11]

In what little footage there is of him playing internationally, he has shown a perimeter shot. He's going to be the most skilled 7 foot player we've ever had by far. We really don't need a center at all, so unless someone who blows us away is available there's no reason to take one. They'd have to be head and shoulders above anyone else since they'll automatically be behind another very young prospect on the depth chart.

I agree Jakob is promising and no Centers in our range looks better than him. SF or PF is most likely. Wouldn't​ mind a high ceiling PG either.

Frankly, Jakob is better than any center in this draft, same as he was better than any last year. I wouldn't mind if they grabbed Jeanne but that's partly due to at least being able to draft and stash him. Also a guy with his length is a good trade asset.

This is deeper draft then last year and I really don't think Jakob is better then any of top 3 center prospects in this draft ...especially Jarret and Bam..

[Saciid11]

In what little footage there is of him playing internationally, he has shown a perimeter shot. He's going to be the most skilled 7 foot player we've ever had by far. We really don't need a center at all, so unless someone who blows us away is available there's no reason to take one. They'd have to be head and shoulders above anyone else since they'll automatically be behind another very young prospect on the depth chart.

I agree Jakob is promising and no Centers in our range looks better than him. SF or PF is most likely. Wouldn't​ mind a high ceiling PG either.

Frankly, Jakob is better than any center in this draft, same as he was better than any last year. I wouldn't mind if they grabbed Jeanne but that's partly due to at least being able to draft and stash him. Also a guy with his length is a good trade asset.

This is deeper draft then last year and I really don't think Jakob is better then any of top 3 center prospects in this draft ...especially Jarret and Bam..

[HeadtopChunes]

Pick Semi and be done with it.

Why? He isn't exactly the most fluid player and he will be behind Siakam. We need more twitch.

If he can play SF hed get minutes. Especially because he looks like he can already shoot better than Pascal. His athleticism has alot of question marks he's seems more like Butler where he's athletic in space but not really in a crowd. I assume they're gonna check that out and his defense today.

Muscles don't make a good prospect but just because he has muscles doest make him a bust. I don't think he will bust but there will be better/higher celing players at 23. But if the Diallo and Ferguson and maybe Bolden are gone I'd consider Semi next.

[Saciid11]

This pick has Harry Giles written all over it

He has Daniel Orton stats which is f-f-frightening. So does Ferguson but at least he has freakish athleticism. I am willing to bet we do not select a centre. Here is my 100 kopec wager.

One of youngest in draft
Tall
Long wingspan
Higest upside
Would be top 3 pick b4 injury

This is Masais MO

Injury prone before he even steps on NBA court ...no thanks

Why not go for Bam who actually put up good stats as freshman ..13ppg 8reb...has nice size and athleticism to play both Center and power forward position ..

[HeadtopChunes]

He has Daniel Orton stats which is f-f-frightening. So does Ferguson but at least he has freakish athleticism. I am willing to bet we do not select a centre. Here is my 100 kopec wager.

One of youngest in draft
Tall
Long wingspan
Higest upside
Would be top 3 pick b4 injury

This is Masais MO

Injury prone before he even steps on NBA court ...no thanks

Why not go for Bam who actually put up good stats as freshman ..13ppg 8reb...has nice size and athleticism to play both Center and power forward position ..

Eh I don't think Bam is better than Jakob he's more athleticic but Jakob has a much higher Basketball IQ. Bam doesn't really have a good feel for the game. Rather have Jakob out there. If we're trading Jonas than maybe it makes sense to take a Center.

[DrCoach]

He has Daniel Orton stats which is f-f-frightening. So does Ferguson but at least he has freakish athleticism. I am willing to bet we do not select a centre. Here is my 100 kopec wager.

One of youngest in draft
Tall
Long wingspan
Higest upside
Would be top 3 pick b4 injury

This is Masais MO

Injury prone before he even steps on NBA court ...no thanks

Why not go for Bam who actually put up good stats as freshman ..13ppg 8reb...has nice size and athleticism to play both Center and power forward position ..

Raps are drafting 23rd
Have a stacked Roster
Bam is currently 2rd
Giles can rehab and d league all yr

[BoyzNTheHood]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/6c8l9y/nba_analytics_mercenary_back_for_a_round_three/dhtix5o/

On Semi Ojeleye:

Well, the catch with him is that he couldn't get on the floor at Duke. Fair or not, people generally hold Coach K to an almost deity when it comes to everything basketball... If he couldn't make it work at Duke with Semi, why would I? He also transferred at the mid-way point of his sophomore season after only 8 games played... Justice Winslow took his spot, and he couldn't beat out Amile Jefferson for minutes either... Once again, fair or not, these are strikes against him as far as NBA front offices are concerned. Also, he transferred to SMU to play for Larry Brown... Larry Brown doesn't seem to have too many allies in the NBA anymore, at least not from the sources I chat with... Idk, it's weird and political and it sucks, but all of that stuff isn't going to help him unless he interviews very well and answers a lot of those questions to satisfactory levels... Oh, and he's also a 6'6.75" tweener...

BUT, his numbers are nasty. In every offensive category tracked on synergy, his PPP is in the 73rd percentile and above. His Iso PPP is 1.254 on 59 possessions, which is filthy, and good for 98th percentile in all of college basketball (every division, 10 possessions needed to qualify for percentile is the norm for synergy. His cutting is also crazy, 71 possessions cutting for 1.38 PPP (87th percentile). His overall half-court PPP is 1.133, which is good for the 97th percentile. Usually the 95th percentile and above in that category is reserved for guys with 3Pr's of 80+%.

If you include only D1 and make the possessions needed to qualify the amount the Semi had, he finishes 3rd out of 152 in Iso scoring, and 11th out of 158 in cutting...

Pretty filthy analytics on Semi... His age and height are going to work against him, but these numbers are more than worth a flier in the late first or early second.

[Saciid11]

[quote="HeadtopChunes"][quote="Saciid11"][quote="DrCoach"]


One of youngest in draft
Tall
Long wingspan
Higest upside
Would be top 3 pick b4 injury

This is Masais MO[/quote]

Injury prone before he even steps on NBA court ...no thanks

Why not go for Bam who actually put up good stats as freshman ..13ppg 8reb...has nice size and athleticism to play both Center and power forward position ..[/quote]
Eh I don't think Bam is better than Jakob he's more athleticic but Jakob has a much higher Basketball IQ. Bam doesn't really have a good feel for the game. Rather have Jakob out there. If we're trading Jonas than maybe it makes sense to take a Center.[/quote]

How did you determine Jacob has higher bbq? If anything Bam has had much better freshman year playing on stacked UK then Jacob had playing on a weaker division. I think Bam has better feel for the game.. he moves better, handles the ball much better, has better mid rang shot at the same and strength wise is stronger then Jacob ..

[RaptorsLife]

Let's not have a Valanciusnas and Drummond situation if he thinks bam is best player there.