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OrlandoDream wrote:If the draft were tomorrow, Magic would take DSJr at the 6th. We still have Tatum, Monk, And Isaac to bring in for workouts but as of right now, I think Lloyd heavily leaning towards DSJr being our pick. He checks the boxes for multiple things this team lacks.
GimmeDat wrote:OrlandoDream wrote:If the draft were tomorrow, Magic would take DSJr at the 6th. We still have Tatum, Monk, And Isaac to bring in for workouts but as of right now, I think Lloyd heavily leaning towards DSJr being our pick. He checks the boxes for multiple things this team lacks.
Curious, any news or anything to suggest that or just a gut feeling? And how do you think that bodes for Payton's future with the team?
OrlandoDream wrote:GimmeDat wrote:OrlandoDream wrote:If the draft were tomorrow, Magic would take DSJr at the 6th. We still have Tatum, Monk, And Isaac to bring in for workouts but as of right now, I think Lloyd heavily leaning towards DSJr being our pick. He checks the boxes for multiple things this team lacks.
Curious, any news or anything to suggest that or just a gut feeling? And how do you think that bodes for Payton's future with the team?
He worked out for ORL last week and it was reported he had a great workout and impressed the big decision guys like Lloyd and Vogel.
This means that we don't see Payton as our future STARTING PG but as another part of the team. Payton had some of his best games off the bench; where his best role is at. We were the second worse offense last year. You can't win many games these days without a PG that can't shoot unless they are accompanied by elite wings like harden, Butler, PG, etc.
DSJr brings scoring, shooting and leadership. Three areas that ORL de desperately needs.
GimmeDat wrote:OrlandoDream wrote:GimmeDat wrote:
Curious, any news or anything to suggest that or just a gut feeling? And how do you think that bodes for Payton's future with the team?
He worked out for ORL last week and it was reported he had a great workout and impressed the big decision guys like Lloyd and Vogel.
This means that we don't see Payton as our future STARTING PG but as another part of the team. Payton had some of his best games off the bench; where his best role is at. We were the second worse offense last year. You can't win many games these days without a PG that can't shoot unless they are accompanied by elite wings like harden, Butler, PG, etc.
DSJr brings scoring, shooting and leadership. Three areas that ORL de desperately needs.
Interesting. Obviously Payton has his weaknesses, but given the quality season he had, I thought he would be considered the future starter still.
Given moving him to the bench, especially if DSJ comes on strong, will minimize his role, would he be better suited as a trade chip than future bench piece?
doordoor123 wrote:paulbball wrote:doordoor123 wrote:
Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.
Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.
Monk is the most overrated prospect in years.
He is an undersized SG with 0 handles. He will NEVER play PG in the league unless his handle improve drastically. Even if he develops PG handles, his vision is non-existent. He is a 6'2" SG with a 6'3" wingspan. You can't point to one success case in the NBA for someone with uniquely (bad) set of skills and length.
No he can't be Irving or Jamal. People accuse Irving of a PG, but he has the best handles in the league, and his vision is at least vision is at least 5x better than Monk's. Jamal doesn't have point guard vision but that boy has the ball on a string. Monk doesn't even have NBA 2-guard level handles right now.
I'm not saying he will be either Irving or Jamal, I'm saying he could put up just as many points. I also think you're underrating his ability. Zach LaVine doesn't have a strong handle, doesn't do well at PG, yet he can score just as much as those other guys. I'm not saying he's LaVine either, but if he reaches his upside he could be better. His jumpshot is hard to guard because he jumps so high and has a high release. If his shot can go in consistently he could ideally be as good as Curry in terms of getting his shot off. I think it's unlikely, but it's definitely a possibility. I also think even though he doesn't have a strong handle, he's crafty and can find ways to get his shot off.
He's also 19 and his passing ability could get much better in time. He even said in one of his interviews that he wants to show in the NBA he'll have more space and it'll be easier for him to run the P&R, and if teams start to respect his shot, it might be much easier for him.
clyde21 wrote:Watched all of the top prospects this weekend, and I felt like Dennis Smith and Josh Jackson are the two best I watched. I think these guys *should* be the top two picks.
GimmeDat wrote:Interesting. Obviously Payton has his weaknesses, but given the quality season he had, I thought he would be considered the future starter still.
clyde21 wrote:Watched all of the top prospects this weekend, and I felt like Dennis Smith and Josh Jackson are the two best I watched. I think these guys *should* be the top two picks.
Prez wrote:clyde21 wrote:Watched all of the top prospects this weekend, and I felt like Dennis Smith and Josh Jackson are the two best I watched. I think these guys *should* be the top two picks.
I don't know if they should be the top 2 picks, but they're easily every bit as talented or even more talented than Fultz and Ball. Jackson especially, if he can just straighten out that shooting form he has limitless potential.
GimmeDat wrote:Interesting. Obviously Payton has his weaknesses, but given the quality season he had, I thought he would be considered the future starter still.
Given moving him to the bench, especially if DSJ comes on strong, will minimize his role, would he be better suited as a trade chip than future bench piece?
Prez wrote:clyde21 wrote:Watched all of the top prospects this weekend, and I felt like Dennis Smith and Josh Jackson are the two best I watched. I think these guys *should* be the top two picks.
I don't know if they should be the top 2 picks, but they're easily every bit as talented or even more talented than Fultz and Ball. Jackson especially, if he can just straighten out that shooting form he has limitless potential.
tlee324 wrote:
Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.
Bird would have won 4 rings with that team, in this weak ass era of basketball.
wjun15 wrote:Dennis Smith Jr. will end up being a better player than DeAaron Fox.
It is amazing how much a players value can inflate based on a good few games in the NCAA Tourney (on a good team)
Tell me the last time a skinny lefty PG with a mediocre shot succeeded in the NBA as a star. He's basically a Brandon Jennings with better athleticism and a bit taller. Fox shot an abysmal 25% from COLLEGE 3 vs Smith's respectable 36%
Smith is the same height as Fox, with smaller wingspan, but has over 25lbs on Fox, is more explosive, a better scorer, better shooter and better isolation game.
wjun15 wrote:Smith is the same height as Fox, with smaller wingspan, but has over 25lbs on Fox, is more explosive, a better scorer, better shooter and better isolation game.
