Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Darthlukey]

The Blazers are interested in moving picks (they currently have 3) to dump salary. The nets have around $40m in cap space. I wonder if the blazers would trade all 3 picks along with Turner and Crabbe to the nets (assuming the nets would do it, of course). That means the nets do get to load up on opportunities to gamble on young talent and the Blazers regain some flexibility cap wise (mainly avoid tax though I suppose)

I believe Nets are still restricted from acquiring Crabbe until a full year has passed from the date their offer was matched.

Interesting. They could have POR pick for BKN, and do the deal in July. Is that above board or against the rules? Deals are agreed to before/after the draft all the time, but usually not with that long a wait.

I would imagine that they could have informal discussions and PORTLAND could draft on NETS behalf, but since it would be informal there is a chance NETS would pull out of the deal and leave PORTLAND with players they dont necessarily want

[BRUNiNHO91]

I believe Nets are still restricted from acquiring Crabbe until a full year has passed from the date their offer was matched.

Interesting. They could have POR pick for BKN, and do the deal in July. Is that above board or against the rules? Deals are agreed to before/after the draft all the time, but usually not with that long a wait.

I would imagine that they could have informal discussions and PORTLAND could draft on NETS behalf, but since it would be informal there is a chance NETS would pull out of the deal and leave PORTLAND with players they dont necessarily want

Nets should go for Meyers Leonard or Mo Harkless.

Maybe Leonard and Turner + 15 and 20 for Brook Lopez.

Try and package 20 and 22 to move up to 16 or something.

Whatever they do they have some ways to get some good things done this year.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I believe Nets are still restricted from acquiring Crabbe until a full year has passed from the date their offer was matched.

Interesting. They could have POR pick for BKN, and do the deal in July. Is that above board or against the rules? Deals are agreed to before/after the draft all the time, but usually not with that long a wait.

I would imagine that they could have informal discussions and PORTLAND could draft on NETS behalf, but since it would be informal there is a chance NETS would pull out of the deal and leave PORTLAND with players they dont necessarily want

Well, right, but if Brooklyn did that, they'd be sabotaging their relationships around the league - with players, agents, and other front offices.

[ddb]

Crowder and #1 for Porzingis and #7. That would be the most likely deal.

Knicks have #8. I'd probably do that deal, though. 1/Crowder for Zinger/8...

then sign Hayward

IT-Bradley-Hayward-Zinger-Horford
Rozier-Smart-Brown-Isaac?-Zizic

We would need a few vets on that roster. Jonas, Bogut, Green, Mack, Meeks type guys.

So basically Crowder for 8 and Zinger for 1?

I pass so quickly on that.

really? that's a deal too close to call. so I can see your reluctance. it would all depend on how Danny views Zinger VS Fultz and Crowder VS prospects available at #8. Another thing this deal solves is opening up the remaining cap space that would be needed to sign Hayward. It's a roster balance move too, even though Ainge would never do a deal to balance the roster. again, all comes down to how he views Zinger. If they view Zinger as a potential franchise guy that can help them win titles, then this deal makes sense

[ddb]

It still amazes me that most people havent seen Fultz play lots of games, just watched some highlight vids.. and already think that he is a superstar and Porzingis isnt? Damnn.. Zinger has already proven himself in the league and has shown us already that his ceiling could be pretty high.

With Brad coaching him he could be a defensive monster with blocking shots all game long and his offense already is very polished.

He's the big Ainge and Stevens want.. a frontcourt player who can shoot the 3 and protect the rim.. these type of players are quite rare.

The Fultz type of player are a dime a dozen.. The league is loaded with offensive polished guards. I'm not buying the hype as well.. Each and every these prospects get hyped.. but the only decent talents that have come out of this hype recently are Towns and Davis. Wiggins was projected as the next Lebron, lol.

I mean, let's say Fultz is Kyrie 2.0. Instant impact dominant lead guard. Do you want him, or do you want Porzingis?

If you want Porzingis, it's for fit. Kyrie 2.0 would have more value. If Porzingis is a year or two away from being healthy, happy, coached well and developed well and being a unicorn superstar big, you do it. But he could also become injury-prone and not reach his ceiling. Fultz actually seems, without having played a minute in the league, like more of a sure thing. Crowder, Rozier, 1 for Porzingis, 8, and unprotected NYK '18? Tell Phil you think Fultz is perfect for the triangle and he adds a pick swap in '19.

Fultz has the potential to be a great player offensively yeah.. But i dont think that he will overcome his defensive flaws... Also he isn't Kyrie 2.0. unfortunately.. The ball skils of Kyrie are so good, i havent seen a player in years with these kind of sick handels actually. He showed this talent in college.. Fultz hasn't shown any Kyrie type impact imo.

Fultz will be a no.2 or no.3 option on a contendor not the the no.1 option. His college team didnt show any improvement at all with him leading the team, which makes me question if he's a PG or not? I think that he'll be a better SG in the league. The best PG out of this draft is Ball, he has shown true PG skills imo. The biggest sleeper in this draft, in the PG category, is Ntilikina.

I see what you're trying to say, but you absolutely cannot, with certainty, say that Fultz will not be a #1 on a title caliber team. you do not know that. Fultz is a very, very intriguing prospect. His size, natural ability and established skills for his age are off the charts.

[ddb]

So basically Crowder for 8 and Zinger for 1?

I pass so quickly on that.

Not me. Porzingis is a perfect fit. Fultz isn't, and I don't buy the hype.

That's defensible. I certainly do.

I also don't want Zinger closer to his max pay day, what I anticipate to be an injury prone body, nor a big as my best player.

this is also my biggest fear with Zinger. Guys at 7'3, historically don't last very long before their feet/back start breaking down. In theory he's a unicorn franchise caliber player.....so I like him. but are his current 18/7/2bpg numbers sorta his ceiling? Or can he get to the 23ppg 9rpg 3apg 2bpg ceiling where he's a franchise guy?

[OFWGKTA]

New York out: Porzingus
New York in: #7 pick, BRK18, Rozier

Minnesota out: #7
Minnesota in: Crowder, Boston 18

Boston out: Rozier, Crowder, BRK 18, Boston 18
Boston in: Porzingus

[TexCeltic]

Why would Minnesota do this trade? The Celtic 2018 pick will be 25-30 range and Crowder is an overrated and undersized SF. Crowder at best on a good team is 7th or 8th man off the bench. Minnesota also has a vert good SF named Wiggins.
Why would Boston do this trade? Porzingus was hurt several times during the '17 season and is just a stretch 4, celtics have two of those in Al and KO. This does nothing to help protect the rim or help rebounding. Terrible trade for Minnesota and Boston.

[24istheLAW]

Why would Minnesota do this trade? The Celtic 2018 pick will be 25-30 range and Crowder is an overrated and undersized SF. Crowder at best on a good team is 7th or 8th man off the bench. Minnesota also has a vert good SF named Wiggins.
Why would Boston do this trade? Porzingus was hurt several times during the '17 season and is just a stretch 4, celtics have two of those in Al and KO. This does nothing to help protect the rim or help rebounding. Terrible trade for Minnesota and Boston.

Porzingis is a very good defensive player and one of the league's best young rim protectors. I assume you are thinking of a different player.

[Banks2Pierce]

Why would Minnesota do this trade? The Celtic 2018 pick will be 25-30 range and Crowder is an overrated and undersized SF. Crowder at best on a good team is 7th or 8th man off the bench. Minnesota also has a vert good SF named Wiggins.
Why would Boston do this trade? Porzingus was hurt several times during the '17 season and is just a stretch 4, celtics have two of those in Al and KO. This does nothing to help protect the rim or help rebounding. Terrible trade for Minnesota and Boston.

There are 8 sentences in this post. Every single one of the 8 has something incorrect in it.

[TexCeltic]

I've watched many Knicks games and Porzingus gets overpowered by bulkier PF and C. He needs to put on bulk to compete in the low post. By the way he averaged just 7 rebounds a game, thats barely better than Al or Crowder.

[ddb]

New York out: Porzingus
New York in: #7 pick, BRK18, Rozier

Minnesota out: #7
Minnesota in: Crowder, Boston 18

Boston out: Rozier, Crowder, BRK 18, Boston 18
Boston in: Porzingus

you're devaluing the BK18 substantially in this scenario. Teams drool over cost controlled/team controlled lottery picks. Especially a pick that has a good shot at being Top 5 again. Not to mention there's a real chance at Porter, Ayton or Doncic...or maybe all of these kids coming up as major, major prospects (even more so then Fultz/Ball/Jackson).

Danny will be very careful with how he treats that pick, much like how he was careful with the BK17

[CelticsLV]

If Isaac is there at 7 during draft then i could see Ainge trying to get him by trading with Wolves.

Isaac has the tools to be perfect modern day NBA big. Lenght, quickness, athleticism, ability to shoot 3s. PF who can switch 1-5, block shots, spread the floor.

Bradley/Crowder + ... for 7th could be in play during draft.

[OFWGKTA]

New York out: Porzingus
New York in: #7 pick, BRK18, Rozier

Minnesota out: #7
Minnesota in: Crowder, Boston 18

Boston out: Rozier, Crowder, BRK 18, Boston 18
Boston in: Porzingus

you're devaluing the BK18 substantially in this scenario. Teams drool over cost controlled/team controlled lottery picks. Especially a pick that has a good shot at being Top 5 again. Not to mention there's a real chance at Porter, Ayton or Doncic...or maybe all of these kids coming up as major, major prospects (even more so then Fultz/Ball/Jackson).

Danny will be very careful with how he treats that pick, much like how he was careful with the BK17

I feel like my trade is better for the Celtics than #1 + Crowder for Porzingus + #8 so I'm not sure why that one is too close to call. Next draft is about getting a potential superstar big man, and I believe Porzingus is that, having proven to be almost all star level in his second season, in a terrible team environment. We got the #1 pick this year, and the odds of that happening again are extremely low just from a probability perspective. Also think that trade would maximize the win-now-and-later strategy. The biggest downside to me would be having to pay Porzingus sooner, but he'd only overlap with Horford's contract for one year.


IT/Fultz
Bradley/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Porzingus/vet
Horford/Zizic

[ddb]

New York out: Porzingus
New York in: #7 pick, BRK18, Rozier

Minnesota out: #7
Minnesota in: Crowder, Boston 18

Boston out: Rozier, Crowder, BRK 18, Boston 18
Boston in: Porzingus

you're devaluing the BK18 substantially in this scenario. Teams drool over cost controlled/team controlled lottery picks. Especially a pick that has a good shot at being Top 5 again. Not to mention there's a real chance at Porter, Ayton or Doncic...or maybe all of these kids coming up as major, major prospects (even more so then Fultz/Ball/Jackson).

Danny will be very careful with how he treats that pick, much like how he was careful with the BK17

I feel like my trade is better for the Celtics than #1 + Crowder for Porzingus + #8 so I'm not sure why that one is too close to call. Next draft is about getting a potential superstar big man, and I believe Porzingus is that, having proven to be almost all star level in his second season, in a terrible team environment. We got the #1 pick this year, and the odds of that happening again are extremely low just from a probability perspective. Also think that trade would maximize the win-now-and-later strategy. The biggest downside to me would be having to pay Porzingus sooner, but he'd only overlap with Horford's contract for one year.


IT/Fultz
Bradley/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Porzingus/vet
Horford/Zizic

I love that Roster. I just dont think NYK do a Zinger deal without the #1 in there

[165bows]

Very good read by Ryan Bernardoni about obtaining elite players, becoming a true title contender, and long range planning for the Boston Celtics.

He does neglect to cover what I posted here earlier, that it is possible to get IT signed for a three year negotiate and extend max deal, then sign and trade for Hayward at a 3+1 - giving them the best of both worlds.

Ie, strengthening the team now while still giving them flexibility for three years from now when various items make a title slightly more obtainable.

At any rate, a worthwhile read.

http://www.celticshub.com/2017/06/02/take-celtics-win-title-todays-nba/

[Edug27]

If Isaac is there at 7 during draft then i could see Ainge trying to get him by trading with Wolves.

Isaac has the tools to be perfect modern day NBA big. Lenght, quickness, athleticism, ability to shoot 3s. PF who can switch 1-5, block shots, spread the floor.

Bradley/Crowder + ... for 7th could be in play during draft.

If Avery alone combined with later round picks could get you the #7, then I'd do that and run..

[darrendaye]

I'm guessing with the degree of smoke out there about CP3 considering the Spurs, the value of the Clippers pick the C's own is in the crapper at the moment.

[AgentGreen]

I mean, let's say Fultz is Kyrie 2.0. Instant impact dominant lead guard. Do you want him, or do you want Porzingis?

If you want Porzingis, it's for fit. Kyrie 2.0 would have more value. If Porzingis is a year or two away from being healthy, happy, coached well and developed well and being a unicorn superstar big, you do it. But he could also become injury-prone and not reach his ceiling. Fultz actually seems, without having played a minute in the league, like more of a sure thing. Crowder, Rozier, 1 for Porzingis, 8, and unprotected NYK '18? Tell Phil you think Fultz is perfect for the triangle and he adds a pick swap in '19.

Fultz has the potential to be a great player offensively yeah.. But i dont think that he will overcome his defensive flaws... Also he isn't Kyrie 2.0. unfortunately.. The ball skils of Kyrie are so good, i havent seen a player in years with these kind of sick handels actually. He showed this talent in college.. Fultz hasn't shown any Kyrie type impact imo.

Fultz will be a no.2 or no.3 option on a contendor not the the no.1 option. His college team didnt show any improvement at all with him leading the team, which makes me question if he's a PG or not? I think that he'll be a better SG in the league. The best PG out of this draft is Ball, he has shown true PG skills imo. The biggest sleeper in this draft, in the PG category, is Ntilikina.

I see what you're trying to say, but you absolutely cannot, with certainty, say that Fultz will not be a #1 on a title caliber team. you do not know that. Fultz is a very, very intriguing prospect. His size, natural ability and established skills for his age are off the charts.

I agree with that, that i cant say that with certainty.. it goes in the same way for everyone else who thinks that Fultz is already a superstar. I'm not buying the hype, i felt for it too many times.. I even believed that D'Angelo Russel would be a great scorer in the league and that the Lakers struck gold with drafting him.. Same story with Wiggins, Winslow, MKG etc... I'll just wait and see, i hope the kid proves me wrong. Because he's a great offensive talent imo. He can have a Carmelo type career if he reaches his ceiling.

[galipeautim]

Why wouldn't Chris Paul consider Boston if he is looking at other places in free agency. Now, Chris Paul is going to be looking at the best chance to win now and if we package the #1 pick and some other pieces for a superstar I think we would definitely be in the championship conversation. Let's assume right now we can package the #1 pick, Thomas and filler for Jimmy Butler. We could then trade Brown, Brooklyn 18, and Memphis 19 for Porzingis. Picture this lineup:

PG: Paul, Rozier
SG: Bradley, Smart
SF: Butler, Crowder
PF: Porzingis, Crowder
C: Horford, Zizic

In this scenario we are able to stay young with the exception of Paul and Horford (both of which I think will age well until the end of their contract). Yes, we will eventually be way over the luxury tax eventually, but at least we won't be paying big money for IT who will have a harder time compensating for his size as he gets older. Plus, I think this is a championship caliber roster. Butler is one of two guys who has shown he can so a decent job on Lebron (the other being Leonard). Plus, with Bradley and Smart and Butler all being A+ defenders we could compete with Golden State.