2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

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So many rumors & leaks.

[Damkac]

Yeah! Paul Milsap is the missing piece Suns need to beat the Warriors!
It looks everybody who is old AF is Suns target.

[Blonde]

The only way I can see Millsap being a target/wanting to sign here is if we trade our pick and other assets for Jimmy Butler. Obviously we wouldn't make the finals or anything but we could be a top 4 seed in the west. I just can't see our front office going that direction but I understand the appeal of rolling out a lineup of:

Bled
Booker
Butler
Millsap
Chandler

[RaisingArizona]

We're two pieces away from being two pieces away.

[TeamTragic]

I guess McD has a huge plan this offseason. Signing veterans so we can go deep in the playoffs. Come on you guys

[TOO]

The only way I can see Millsap being a target/wanting to sign here is if we trade our pick and other assets for Jimmy Butler. Obviously we wouldn't make the finals or anything but we could be a top 4 seed in the west. I just can't see our front office going that direction but I understand the appeal of rolling out a lineup of:

Bled
Booker
Butler
Millsap
Chandler

You see the appeal? I dont. Gross.

[Blonde]

The only way I can see Millsap being a target/wanting to sign here is if we trade our pick and other assets for Jimmy Butler. Obviously we wouldn't make the finals or anything but we could be a top 4 seed in the west. I just can't see our front office going that direction but I understand the appeal of rolling out a lineup of:

Bled
Booker
Butler
Millsap
Chandler

You see the appeal? I dont. Gross.

Yeah, I understand the appeal of adding 2 all stars to our lineup after the worst couple of seasons in franchise history. I understand why a GM whom many consider to be on the hot seat would find it appealing to make a playoff push.

I never said I'm an advocate for it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not to beat a dead horse but man was that Chandler signing dumb as hell. Some of us said it the day it happened. IMO it stunted Len's development and has added literally NOTHING to wins and losses. I get he's a good dude and it's nice to have him around but come on now is that really worth $50M? Was a nice little retirement present to Tyson I guess.

Every time I see some media member say something about adding veteran leadership this off-season I seriously want to scream. The suns will be paying around $27M next year for Dudley, Chandler, and Barbossa.... how much more **** money do they want to burn on babysitters???

I hate to be the contrarian, but I disagree with this. I think Chandler was a great signing, for multiple reasons. One is the effect he has had in paving the way for the youngsters. He is there for chemistry first and foremost. He has delivered on that, despite the w/l record. He has also played great. Last year, not so much, but this year you can't touch his play. This year he was underpaid. Its hard to come up with a clearly better player that isn't either max or making significantly more that is better than him. Even with his degraded defense. Tyson will play harder once there is something to play for also, I don't think father time has caught up fully yet. He was playing some of his best basketball late in the year before he was shut down.

The next question is who would you have signed instead that would have had more impact? The Suns must hit the salary floor, or get close so someone is getting that money. The question is who? Evan Turner? Meyers Leonard? Al Jefferson? What other player would you have rather had at the price all things considered?

I was fine resigning brandon wright and liked some of the cheap options like ed davis. The salary floor thing didn't hit until this past summer and that offseason they actually unloaded salary to try to chase Aldridge. There are other ways they could have used the space like doing that deal the sixers did with Sacramento... had they done that the suns would be picking 3 this year and have the kings pick next year. Hell I hope they get creative this offseason and do something like that over making some dumb decision like giving milsap a bunch of money.

I'm all for having some leaders but I just wouldn't pay 50mil for it. Tyson was fine this year and still rebounds well but really did it matter?

Would Len be a better player right now had they just let him start? Who knows. But it certainly seemed to put him in a funk and I think hurt his confidence. Now thats on alex too; as a pro you need to handle adversity. But as an organization you should try to put guys you invested a high pick on the best opportunity to succeed and i don't think the suns did in this case.

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[thamadkant]

Suns conbuilding...

But if they can manage to get Iguadala and Milsap via Free Agency and trade pick 4 for Butler, you have an old ass team who can push for top 6 out west...maybe even top 4, if they get rid of Watson and hire a good coach.

[alphagorilla]

If I see Millsap age 32 and Chandler age 34 starting over Chriss next year I WILL RIOT!

[Saberestar]

Only type of veteran that Suns should bring is high BBIQ, high character guard who was great defender in his prime. Somebody who could teach Booker few things.

Tony Allen is an UFA. Nobody is talking about him, but if the FO really wants someone like Iguodala on our team next season I expect us to make him an offer because he is a more realistic and cheaper option for us.

[Saberestar]

If I see Millsap age 32 and Chandler age 34 starting over Chriss next year I WILL RIOT!

Yeah, me too. But I think that Millsap is only gonna be pursued by the Suns IF Chandler wants out.

Millsap is a big upgrade over Chandler, he is around three years younger and spaces the floor, our starting five would be much more dynamic with him on the court next to Chriss.

Watson knows really well Millsap, he said on a interview a month ago that he is the ultimate professional. He said that he has a complete gym in his house. He loves him, so I think that he is the first one that wants him on the roster for next season.

I would be happy signing him if we trade other veteran players...at least Price, Knight and Chandler out.

[Qwigglez]

The problem I see us having is signing both Len/Williams. And then later in the summer extend TJ Warren. This will essentially cripple any flexibility in our cap room and then we are still stuck with a mediocre team. Once Chandler/Dudley come off the books in 2019 we then are looking at Devin Booker's likely max contract. The year after that then we got Bender/Chriss extensions to worry about.
Basically it seems like this is the offseason where we have the most cap space available, so we might as well utilize it and chase those top tier free agents because later we can always go over the cap to give Booker his extension as well as Bender/Chriss.

[MathiasPW]

Can we stop mentioning Gambo as a source?

"Oh but he was right that one time"

Well, broken clocks are also right 2x a day.

[SideSwipe]

Not to beat a dead horse but man was that Chandler signing dumb as hell. Some of us said it the day it happened. IMO it stunted Len's development and has added literally NOTHING to wins and losses. I get he's a good dude and it's nice to have him around but come on now is that really worth $50M? Was a nice little retirement present to Tyson I guess.

Every time I see some media member say something about adding veteran leadership this off-season I seriously want to scream. The suns will be paying around $27M next year for Dudley, Chandler, and Barbossa.... how much more **** money do they want to burn on babysitters???

I hate to be the contrarian, but I disagree with this. I think Chandler was a great signing, for multiple reasons. One is the effect he has had in paving the way for the youngsters. He is there for chemistry first and foremost. He has delivered on that, despite the w/l record. He has also played great. Last year, not so much, but this year you can't touch his play. This year he was underpaid. Its hard to come up with a clearly better player that isn't either max or making significantly more that is better than him. Even with his degraded defense. Tyson will play harder once there is something to play for also, I don't think father time has caught up fully yet. He was playing some of his best basketball late in the year before he was shut down.

The next question is who would you have signed instead that would have had more impact? The Suns must hit the salary floor, or get close so someone is getting that money. The question is who? Evan Turner? Meyers Leonard? Al Jefferson? What other player would you have rather had at the price all things considered?

I was fine resigning brandon wright and liked some of the cheap options like ed davis. The salary floor thing didn't hit until this past summer and that offseason they actually unloaded salary to try to chase Aldridge. There are other ways they could have used the space like doing that deal the sixers did with Sacramento... had they done that the suns would be picking 3 this year and have the kings pick next year. Hell I hope they get creative this offseason and do something like that over making some dumb decision like giving milsap a bunch of money.

I'm all for having some leaders but I just wouldn't pay 50mil for it. Tyson was fine this year and still rebounds well but really did it matter?

Would Len be a better player right now had they just let him start? Who knows. But it certainly seemed to put him in a funk and I think hurt his confidence. Now thats on alex too; as a pro you need to handle adversity. But as an organization you should try to put guys you invested a high pick on the best opportunity to succeed and i don't think the suns did in this case.

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I liked Brandon Wright, but he did not bring what Chandler has brought. Ed Davis is definitely not the player or leader Chandler is. Not sure that's wise use of funds. Also, the salary floor has been a thing for years now, it's been going up consistently throughout the last CBA. Salary floor in 2015/2016 was $63 million. You are also forgetting that Chandler was one of the moves we made to help bring in LMA as well. That obviously didn't work out as planned, but I still think that getting Chandler was not bad. We have not won more, but that's not on him. Remember, you have to pay somebody, would you rather have Ed Davis or Brandan Wright on vastly overvalued contracts or Chandler on a good one. The NBA is about having at least one elite skill and Chandler has it. Neither Davis nor Wright do.

Alex should be learning from Chandler (and I think he has). If you want to complain about Alex's development that's not on Chandler. If it's on anyone its on the FO and the coaching staff who have not been able to help him overcome his mental focus and nervousness on the court. Playing is more than about skill, it's mental toughness and preparation too, and Alex has to do his own work there. He has the tools, just not sure he knows how to use them...maybe never will. More games will help, more time can help, but he has to show improvement. The team cannot wait forever.

[Saberestar]

Can we stop mentioning Gambo as a source?

"Oh but he was right that one time"

Well, broken clocks are also right 2x a day.

He is right a lot of times. That is why I mention him. He has connections for sure.

Just an example...How could he know that the Suns were in Las Vegas on a weekend watching a private workout from Isaac if he does not have any inside info? It was not official AT ALL.

[Jdiddy701]

Gambo is a legit source, our best Suns source we have ever had, no offense to the legend, Paul Coro.


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[bwgood77]

I wouldn't exactly call him a source. If he is getting info from the Suns he is their mouthpiece. He will tell us what the Suns want the public and therefore all other teams to hear.

I can't remember for sure, but did he tweet a lot of info about us deciding between Chriss and Bender?

I know for a fact that was coming from other places...even Chad Ford I think, but I can't remember if that came early on, like over a week before the draft from Gambo.

It seems we found out about Chriss/Bender and those visits by leaked photos and stuff.

[RaisingArizona]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/odds-to-win-the-2017-18-nba-finals/ss-BBCnskO?ocid=spartanntp#image=27

[bwgood77]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/odds-to-win-the-2017-18-nba-finals/ss-BBCnskO?ocid=spartanntp#image=27

Interesting the Jazz have the same odds as the Sixers?