The case for Jonathan Isaac

[Gomagic44]

This. I'm not sold on Isaac. Sure, I'll get behind him if we draft him, but I could care less about defensive numbers.

WE CANT SCORE ENOUGH TO WIN GAMES

So I could care less if we draft a defensive stud. What will that do? Lower the amount our opponents beat us by?

We need guys that can put the ball in the basket better than the other teams guys, and another project is not what we need right now.


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He's not just a defender. He's a 2 way player. That's EXACTLY what we want.

I've watched his highlights. I don't see an offensive stud.


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[Gomagic44]

another project is not what we need right now.


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All draft picks are projects. No idea why people think Isaac is a project and DSJ would just come in and instantly be a top tier PG. Even Tatum, who is somewhat NBA ready, would still be a project.

A can't miss #1 guy is still a project. See Anthony Davis as a rookie. Or just go look at the Wolves. Loaded with young talent and still terrible.

We draft projects under Henny. Point guards who can't shoot. Sf tweeners who can't shoot. Pfs who can't play ball. I'm tired of useless draft picks.

We are one of the worse offenses in the NBA. We don't need more tweeners. We need scoring. It's essential to advancing to the next level. We don't have pure scorers on our roster. No iso specialists.

We don't need more glue guys who can help when they aren't guarded. Our current guys can't even do that.

We need ball players who can go alpha, and put the ball in the basket. I have more confidence of drafting that player than believing we already hold the pieces to make another glue guy make something click.

If you are for drafting Isaac, you should also be for trading at least 3 of our staters. We need other guys to work around him than we currently have.

Adding him to the current roster would be a disaster. It's not that I'm against another year to tanking. But I want an entertaining team. And Isaac added to our current roster is a struggle bus.




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[HeyIt'sMe]

Case for not drafting Jonathan Isaac: He played for Leonard Hamilton, who has produced absolutely nobody to the pro game and couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Dude gets 5 star talent every season, and does nothing with it. I don't trust any Seminole player coming out.

[Knightro]

Wasn't Bizmark the defensive stud that would change the Magic's defensive woes?

Funny thing is, statistically speaking, Biyombo's defensive metrics were pretty close to his previous three seasons. He was overall a net positive on the defensive end of the floor.

The problem was his offense completely cratered back to his really awful days with the Bobcats.

It doesn't really matter how good of a defender you are if your offense is THAT putrid, which Biyombo's was last year. The only way he's viable on the floor is if his offense is simply bad and not horrific.

[KillMonger]

We need offense imo, issac to me is Robin.... An extremely good complimentary player next to a dominant scorer. Problem is we have nothing like that on the roster and it's extremely hard to get one. I'll be happy with issac, however I hope we have a plan to get a scorer because I don't ever see Isaac being a 1st option.

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[cedric76]

Also we need to keep in mind that ep s game who flourish with 4 stretch players on the court

Ep
Evan (whom I think is perfect next to ep)
Mario (or any sf we might trade for)
Ag (whom I expect to have a very decent 3pt shot very soon)
Isaac



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[Skin]

This. I'm not sold on Isaac. Sure, I'll get behind him if we draft him, but I could care less about defensive numbers.

WE CANT SCORE ENOUGH TO WIN GAMES

So I could care less if we draft a defensive stud. What will that do? Lower the amount our opponents beat us by?

We need guys that can put the ball in the basket better than the other teams guys, and another project is not what we need right now.


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He's not just a defender. He's a 2 way player. That's EXACTLY what we want.

I've watched his highlights. I don't see an offensive stud.


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Well that says it all. You aren't coming from a point of view that has substance.

[Skin]

Case for not drafting Jonathan Isaac: He played for Leonard Hamilton, who has produced absolutely nobody to the pro game and couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Dude gets 5 star talent every season, and does nothing with it. I don't trust any Seminole player coming out.

Isaac came in last year and FSU had their best season in 40 years. Jumped from 11th in the ACC the year before to 2nd behind the National Champs.

College coaches aren't accountable for developing 1 and dones. That's too short a time to be held accountable. They are basically baby sitters.

[Knightro]

We need offense imo, issac to me is Robin.... An extremely good complimentary player next to a dominant scorer. Problem is we have nothing like that on the roster and it's extremely hard to get one. I'll be happy with issac, however I hope we have a plan to get a scorer because I don't ever see Isaac being a 1st option.

The odds that the Magic find a legitimate "Batman" in this draft picking 6th are pretty slim. Fultz and Ball will almost assuredly be gone. Jackson and Fox will also probably be gone. Monk, Smith Jr. and Tatum should be able to score at the next level, but how much upside do any of them really have?

What it really boils down to to me, do you want a potentially elite "Robin" or a mediocre "Batman"?

[Xatticus]

We need offense imo, issac to me is Robin.... An extremely good complimentary player next to a dominant scorer. Problem is we have nothing like that on the roster and it's extremely hard to get one. I'll be happy with issac, however I hope we have a plan to get a scorer because I don't ever see Isaac being a 1st option.

The odds that the Magic find a legitimate "Batman" in this draft picking 6th are pretty slim. Fultz and Ball will almost assuredly be gone. Jackson and Fox will also probably be gone. Monk, Smith Jr. and Tatum should be able to score at the next level, but how much upside do any of them really have?

What it really boils down to to me, do you want a potentially elite "Robin" or a mediocre "Batman"?

And with the 6th pick in the 2017 NBA draft...

[Skin]

Wasn't Bizmark the defensive stud that would change the Magic's defensive woes?

Funny thing is, statistically speaking, Biyombo's defensive metrics were pretty close to his previous three seasons. He was overall a net positive on the defensive end of the floor.

The problem was his offense completely cratered back to his really awful days with the Bobcats.

It doesn't really matter how good of a defender you are if your offense is THAT putrid, which Biyombo's was last year. The only way he's viable on the floor is if his offense is simply bad and not horrific.

Was just talking about this a few pages ago. Isaac increases our team's offensive efficiency because he will provide us offense from the 5 position. Most teams have to sacrifice offense for defense because that is a higher priority at that position. With the way the NBA is headed, Isaac would put the Magic at the front of the curve. He is the future at the C position. Having a long, mobile big who can handle the ball and spread the court and play will be the envy of many. The NBA game is demanding that players be able to switch on defense. Isaac is not just a good defender at his position. He can defend 1-5. This type of player is extremely rare.

We could have Gordon at the 3, Isaac at the 4 and Biyombo at the 5 that would be a defensive nightmare for teams. On offense they would switch. Isaac at the 3, Gordon at the 4, Biyombo at the 5. The variations during games are endless. Having the ability to create mismatches or counter teams is the name of the game, especially come playoffs.

[Skin]

We need offense imo, issac to me is Robin.... An extremely good complimentary player next to a dominant scorer. Problem is we have nothing like that on the roster and it's extremely hard to get one. I'll be happy with issac, however I hope we have a plan to get a scorer because I don't ever see Isaac being a 1st option.

The odds that the Magic find a legitimate "Batman" in this draft picking 6th are pretty slim. Fultz and Ball will almost assuredly be gone. Jackson and Fox will also probably be gone. Monk, Smith Jr. and Tatum should be able to score at the next level, but how much upside do any of them really have?

What it really boils down to to me, do you want a potentially elite "Robin" or a mediocre "Batman"?

Never really thought about it like that. Interesting... would I be mad at getting an elite Robin such as a Klay Thompson or Draymond Green at #6?

My answer is no. Especially since Isaac has the tools to eventually become an elite Batman... He just needs to cease his opportunities.

[KillMonger]

Elite batman? You really see that? Can he really be a batman with good defense and mediocre offense?

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[SOUL]

Elite batman? You really see that? Can he really be a batman with good defense and mediocre offense?

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I really dislike this argument cause this assumes that every player's college role and output will be copy pasted into the NBA. It doesn't work like that at all. So many players elevate their games on the next level who looked mediocre on offense in college, as well as beastly offensive weapons in college being neutered in the NBA because other parts of their game hold them back against faster, more athletic players.

BPA, period. If our front office believes that Isaac is that player, draft him and get him straight to work with Forcier. Enough of the "watch them play behind Willie Green or Jason Smith" for a year crap. If we want to bring up players like we're the Spurs or the Warriors then we deserve to have picks in the late 20s.

[KillMonger]

Elite batman? You really see that? Can he really be a batman with good defense and mediocre offense?

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I really dislike this argument cause this assumes that every player's college role and output will be copy pasted into the NBA. It doesn't work like that at all. So many players elevate their games on the next level who looked mediocre on offense in college, as well as beastly offensive weapons in college being neutered in the NBA because other parts of their game hold them back against faster, more athletic players.

BPA, period. If our front office believes that Isaac is that player, draft him and get him straight to work with Forcier. Enough of the "watch them play behind Willie Green or Jason Smith" for a year crap. If we want to bring up players like we're the Spurs or the Warriors then we deserve to have picks in the late 20s.

That may be but I'm looking at Isaac and I'm not seeing it, it goes beyond skills it's his mentality. I've read a few scouts think he'll only be a role player offensively in the NBA. It's my opinion, I hope I'm wrong because I don't want to wish failure on anybody but the same feeling I got from Ingram I'm getting from Isaac. Bpa is the right way to go but I just feel like it'll be the same thing all over again where we draft a defensive guy that we have to hope they develop the offensive skills necessary to really improve the team. Like you said it's bpa, but Isaac might not be the bpa.

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[SOUL]

That may be but I'm looking at Isaac and I'm not seeing it, it goes beyond skills it's his the mentality. I've read a few scouts think he'll only be a role player offensively in the NBA. It's my opinion, I hope I'm wrong because I don't want to wish failure on anybody but the same feeling I got from Ingram I'm getting from Isaac. Bpa is the right way to go but I just feel like it'll be the same thing all over again where we draft a defensive guy that we have to hope they develop the offensive skills necessary to really improve the team. Like you said it's bpa, but Isaac might not be the bpa.

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Yeah I'm not backing any particular prospect right now, maybe in the upcoming week. I can see why people are going to doubt his success at the next level, but the truth is.. most of us are making educated guesses about these guys. That's why I'm not arguing too hard behind any of these dudes yet, but I also won't doubt them either. I have my particular concerns about each prospect but if we draft them then they can definitely help alleviate those with solid, inspiring play.

[Darth Magic]

Just watched hs scouting videos again trying to talk myself into him. Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dog...

[Magic_Johnny12]

Just watched hs scouting videos again trying to talk myself into him. Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dog...

I hope to the basketball gods that one of Tatum/Fox drops to us for whatever reason or we trade up for Jackson.

DSJ literally only makes sense if we trade Payton *before the draft or have something already lined up for draft day.

The ONLY thing I don't like about DSJ which makes me think twice on drafting him and just rather gamble on Issac's potential even if that means he's a "Robin" is that most scouts stated that DSJ has shown giving up many times on his team and that scares the ish out of me because there's a lot of losing in our near future and don't want to deal with another premadonna. I rather have a hometown kid that would be ecstatic to play here day in and day out.

I would draft Issac and STILL aggressively pursue Danilo Gallanari.

I highly highly doubt we keep all 4 picks. We will be very active come draft day you can guarantee that.

[KillMonger]

Not buying that attitude bs about DSJ, how many people said the same thing about Mario? Mario has been nothing but humble this whole time to my knowledge

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[Magic_Johnny12]

Not buying that attitude bs about DSJ, how many people said the same thing about Mario? Mario has been nothing but humble this whole time to my knowledge

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If I'm not mistaken wasn't Hezonja benched for a LONG period of time for "undisclosed reasons" and people around the league rumored It having to do with his attitude?