Zach Lowe and T-Mac: Greek Freak will be better than Anthony Davis, Towns, Wiggins, Embiid

[Magic Giannison]

Your going to call MG a "fanboy" and close with that statement?

It's "arguable" who's better right now between the two. To call one a fanboy for choosing one is only outing yourself as a fanboy for the other and to top it off by saying it's not close is just plainly intellectually dishonest. Plenty of people would argue he's better right now.

(MG is indeed a fanboy and I've gone back n forth with him on the Bucks board but being an AD fanboy in this discussion isn't any better)



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I'm calling him a fan boy because of the way he is arguing. Not because of his opinion.

He keeps posting stats about Giannis as if they are the greatest thing since Michael Jordan and ignoring the face that AD has surpassed him in nearly every category.

I'm not an Anthony Davis fan boy at all LOL.

I'm just being objective. I'm not a big fan of either player.

Not argue MG being a fanboy. Hell he'll agree that he is. More so to your "not close" point like it's not a legit discussion

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I was just trying to dispute his ridiculous remark that is Absurdly overrated and hasn't done anything to be close.
I have no problem people thinking AD is better even tho my opinion is obviously different.

[Papi_swav]

I believe so, he's "too big, too tall, too strong for them" -Lavar Ball

[Prokorov]

I don't have the direct link, but they said it on The Jump a month or two ago if anyone knows the video on youtube.

They said he's basically going to be the next generational star, "He's going to be better than all of those guys."

Do you figure that's his trajectory?

he is already better then towns, wiggins, and embiid and you can argue davis as well since davis typically misses alot of games

[Illmatic12]

The "it won't be close" was a necessary clarification, right? As if the entire talent pool of the NBA won't even compare to him.

Remember Shaq from that ~99-03 time period? When it was obvious that the NBA was too easy for him and no one else was remotely able to dominate on that level? That's the potential Embiid has if he can stay healthy.

The fact that he hadn't played in years and comes out as a rookie basically dominating on both ends, it's scary for the rest of the league.

Even if he stays healthy (BIG if).... Embiid doesn't have the physical build Shaq did. The NBA had never seen a guy built like him and arguably still haven't to this day. Shaq was taller and 75-100lbs heavier. Embiid has the skillset to be one of, if not the best bigman in the league one day, but he'll never get to that Shaq level of dominance.

Firstly Shaq isn't taller (7'1 vs Embiid who has grown to 7'2).. and Joel Embiid is going to be far better defensively than Shaq ever was. He was already the best rim protector in the league last year, or right there with Gobert


Iirc numbers from last season showed that whenever Embiid was on the floor, the Sixers played like a top 5 defense. So we're talking about a player who has DPOY-level ability, which is something you could never say about Shaq during the time period when his offense was peaking.

The game has changed from when Shaq played so you can't make a direct 1v1 comparison, now we're seeing a player in Embiid can dominate in the paint but is also able to shoot threes as well as face up from midrange. He hasn't played ball in ~3 years and came in averaging 29/11 per 36 as a rookie! If he continues improving through his prime, I think we're going to get to a point when no modern defense will be able to stop him (especially in a league of teams being built to play smallball).

When you consider what he does defensively + offensively, imo Joel Embiid at his peak could be something the league has never seen before.

[Acountant_Z]

Embiid also has 5.1 fouls and 5.4 TOs per 36. He has a 36% usage!!! and mediocre advanced stats.

He has great potential but does not understand the game, he needs to learn how to play.

[DusterBuster]

Remember Shaq from that ~99-03 time period? When it was obvious that the NBA was too easy for him and no one else was remotely able to dominate on that level? That's the potential Embiid has if he can stay healthy.

The fact that he hadn't played in years and comes out as a rookie basically dominating on both ends, it's scary for the rest of the league.

Even if he stays healthy (BIG if).... Embiid doesn't have the physical build Shaq did. The NBA had never seen a guy built like him and arguably still haven't to this day. Shaq was taller and 75-100lbs heavier. Embiid has the skillset to be one of, if not the best bigman in the league one day, but he'll never get to that Shaq level of dominance.

Firstly Shaq isn't taller (7'1 vs Embiid who has grown to 7'2).. and Joel Embiid is going to be far better defensively than Shaq ever was. He was already the best rim protector in the league last year, or right there with Gobert


Iirc numbers from last season showed that whenever Embiid was on the floor, the Sixers played like a top 5 defense. So we're talking about a player who has DPOY-level ability, which is something you could never say about Shaq during the time period when his offense was peaking.

The game has changed from when Shaq played so you can't make a direct 1v1 comparison, now we're seeing a player in Embiid can dominate in the paint but is also able to shoot threes as well as face up from midrange. He hasn't played ball in ~3 years and came in averaging 29/11 per 36 as a rookie! If he continues improving through his prime, I think we're going to get to a point when no modern defense will be able to stop him (especially in a league of teams being built to play smallball).

When you consider what he does defensively + offensively, imo Joel Embiid at his peak could be something the league has never seen before.

Per36 (which is kind of a silly stat imo) in a very small sample size of 31 games isn't much to go off of when trying to compare him to one of the greatest of all time. I'm not buying what you're selling. That's not to sell him short as a player, but you're going overboard imo.

[jinxed]

It's close between Giannis and AD, but Giannis is more durable so I'll take the Freak..But as of today, Jokic is the best of that age group. Although one wonders how much betterJokic could possible get as he is already so skilled,for Giannis the sky is the limit.

[Illmatic12]

Even if he stays healthy (BIG if).... Embiid doesn't have the physical build Shaq did. The NBA had never seen a guy built like him and arguably still haven't to this day. Shaq was taller and 75-100lbs heavier. Embiid has the skillset to be one of, if not the best bigman in the league one day, but he'll never get to that Shaq level of dominance.

Firstly Shaq isn't taller (7'1 vs Embiid who has grown to 7'2).. and Joel Embiid is going to be far better defensively than Shaq ever was. He was already the best rim protector in the league last year, or right there with Gobert


Iirc numbers from last season showed that whenever Embiid was on the floor, the Sixers played like a top 5 defense. So we're talking about a player who has DPOY-level ability, which is something you could never say about Shaq during the time period when his offense was peaking.

The game has changed from when Shaq played so you can't make a direct 1v1 comparison, now we're seeing a player in Embiid can dominate in the paint but is also able to shoot threes as well as face up from midrange. He hasn't played ball in ~3 years and came in averaging 29/11 per 36 as a rookie! If he continues improving through his prime, I think we're going to get to a point when no modern defense will be able to stop him (especially in a league of teams being built to play smallball).

When you consider what he does defensively + offensively, imo Joel Embiid at his peak could be something the league has never seen before.

Per36 (which is kind of a silly stat imo) in a very small sample size of 31 games isn't much to go off of when trying to compare him to one of the greatest of all time. I'm not buying what you're selling. That's not to sell him short as a player, but you're going overboard imo.

If he stays healthy, I don't think I'm going overboard. That's obviously a big IF at this point though no denying that. Injuries could derail his potential, but that potential is immense and the point of my post was to explain that to people who aren't fully familiar. We literally have never seen a big man prospect like Embiid, if he stays healthy and continues developing he won't just be some ordinary star player.

[jamalkandur]

AD>Embiid>GA>KAT>Wiggins

[DusterBuster]

It's close between Giannis and AD, but Giannis is more durable so I'll take the Freak..But as of today, Jokic is the best of that age group. Although one wonders how much betterJokic could possible get as he is already so skilled,for Giannis the sky is the limit.

I take Giannis over Jokic every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Maybe 5-10 years ago I would have Jokic, but today? You build around a skilled athletic forward like Giannis before a bigman. Think about it, of the teams that have tried to build successfully around a bigman in the past 5 years, who's been successful? Kings w/ Cousins? Nope. Pels w/ AD? Nope. Anyone outside of Orlando with Dwight? Nope.

[T12]

Remember Shaq from that ~99-03 time period? When it was obvious that the NBA was too easy for him and no one else was remotely able to dominate on that level? That's the potential Embiid has if he can stay healthy.

The fact that he hadn't played in years and comes out as a rookie basically dominating on both ends, it's scary for the rest of the league.

Even if he stays healthy (BIG if).... Embiid doesn't have the physical build Shaq did. The NBA had never seen a guy built like him and arguably still haven't to this day. Shaq was taller and 75-100lbs heavier. Embiid has the skillset to be one of, if not the best bigman in the league one day, but he'll never get to that Shaq level of dominance.

Firstly Shaq isn't taller (7'1 vs Embiid who has grown to 7'2).. and Joel Embiid is going to be far better defensively than Shaq ever was. He was already the best rim protector in the league last year, or right there with Gobert


Iirc numbers from last season showed that whenever Embiid was on the floor, the Sixers played like a top 5 defense. So we're talking about a player who has DPOY-level ability, which is something you could never say about Shaq during the time period when his offense was peaking.

The game has changed from when Shaq played so you can't make a direct 1v1 comparison, now we're seeing a player in Embiid can dominate in the paint but is also able to shoot threes as well as face up from midrange. He hasn't played ball in ~3 years and came in averaging 29/11 per 36 as a rookie! If he continues improving through his prime, I think we're going to get to a point when no modern defense will be able to stop him (especially in a league of teams being built to play smallball).

When you consider what he does defensively + offensively, imo Joel Embiid at his peak could be something the league has never seen before.

Defense is not about blocking shots. Shaq was the most physically imposing big man to possibly ever play the game...on both sides of the ball. I am not taking anything away from Embiid but Embiid's come and go...there will probably not be another Wilt/Shaq/Kareem in my lifetime.

[Pablo Escobar]

I'd love to see AD and Giannis team up..

[HotRocks34]

Saying Giannis is going to be better than Wiggins is like saying in 1984 that Jordan is going to be better than Tony Campbell.

We know.

[Rubio9Guy]

AD>Embiid>GA>KAT>Wiggins

Embiid over KAT and GA at this point is absurd

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[YourBuddy]

Karl towns last half of the year had stats of 28 pts and 15 rebs with 3 assists.

He's easily as good as Giannis.

On ridiculously efficient percentages as well. Was something like 60-40-85.

[Scalabrine]

So he thinks Porzingis will be in another class then all of them clearly.

[cpower]

Wiggins in the conv with these guys? then you should sell him now since his value is never going any higher

[crows2]

It's close between Giannis and AD, but Giannis is more durable so I'll take the Freak..But as of today, Jokic is the best of that age group. Although one wonders how much betterJokic could possible get as he is already so skilled,for Giannis the sky is the limit.

Sorry but there is no way Jokic is better than Davis. And it's unlikely he'll ever be unless Davis succumbs to a career ending injury.

[Magic Giannison]

It's close between Giannis and AD, but Giannis is more durable so I'll take the Freak..But as of today, Jokic is the best of that age group. Although one wonders how much betterJokic could possible get as he is already so skilled,for Giannis the sky is the limit.

Jokic as of right now is nowhere near Giannis, what the hell ?

[Impuniti]

Why is Wiggins in the same sentence as the rest?