All things Draft Pick. #3

[Green89]

Jackson taking a shot at Fultz.

[return2glory]

Hello. Bulls fan here.

Any info you are hearing from any of your board insiders or Boston sports media regarding a possibility of Celtics trading for Butler?

Thanks.

Steven A. Smith, who still has ties to the Sixers, said the Bulls called the Sixers for that 3rd overall pick and they want that pick. That was a day prior to the Celtics and Sixers completing that trade. Steven A. metioned the Celtics are still interesting in Butler, so if they make that trade with Philly, look for the Celtics to move that to the Bulls in some package for Butler.

So yes, there is a good possibility that trade happens. Details will not be known, but the 3rd overall pick will most likely be involved for Butler.

[BigTrade92]

To the complainers:

You should be thankful the sixers were dumb enough to give us the extra pick.

Why you ask?

Danny was 100% ready to choose a player at #1 who wasn't fultz, regardless of this deal.

Let that sink in, if you want to complain and bitch and moan.

How does that justify the return?

You can still take Fultz, let Philly pick your guy, if he's there, and squeeze more out of them than a single pick with protection. If he's not there, you can still get a kings ransom for Fultz.

Now you may not even get your guy because the Lakers can take him. Not seeing the positive outlook...

[Double Helix]

The asking price for Butler is high but if Ainge wants him bad enough he can get it done.

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Following this trade, now that he's added another top 8 pick over the next 2 years in the Kings pick, I can see Ainge exploring the Nets pick more than before.

He got the guy he wanted this year. He has another pick in the future. That could open up tha Nets pick and whatever else was discussed.


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[ViperGTS]

To the complainers:

You should be thankful the sixers were dumb enough to give us the extra pick.

Why you ask?

Danny was 100% ready to choose a player at #1 who wasn't fultz, regardless of this deal.

Let that sink in, if you want to complain and bitch and moan.

Wrong. He had Philly over a barrel. Once it got out they were trying to get the number one and needed Fultz..when they've needed a guard for years...and then said no over some future picks? The Philly fans would have rioted.

So no, he didn't do the best he could because he didn't take it as far as he could have. No way Philly backs down once it got out and was reported publicly.

[The Rondo Show]

Will be interesting to see if you guys try and trade some of these assets for one of the superstars Fultz was compared to because then you get the rich man's Fultz in their prime to play with IT and Horford in their primes and didn't have to wait on Fultz to develop. It's not easy developing ball dominant lotto talent while you also have somebody like IT.

If you could move the Nets pick, Josh Jackson and the Kings pick in 2018 for a legit superstar then even if Fultz did become Harden-lite you guys won't care because you'll have a new superstar playing alongside IT and Horford.

It just feels like there's another shoe to drop here somewhere.


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We'd care, because that's 2 Nets picks for the price of 1 by just drafting Fultz. So if Fultz does become a Harden, this trade is awful. I just think that's a pretty nutty/unrealistic goal for Fultz. He can't even drive and create contact against NCAA caliber athletes at the level Harden is able to against NBA athletes. Harden's driving game is at a level that Fultz is unlikely to ever come to close reaching, if you ask me. Harden is like 20+ pounds heavier and probably even still quicker too. Some have argued they are concerned about his shot due to his low FT%, but it's fact that he wasn't just destroying NCAA defenders off the dribble that concerned me. Guys like Kris Dunn laughably get compared to John Wall based on facing weaker NCAA athletes and then can't drive anywhere near the same once they move up to next level. Marcus Smart another guy who was an elite driver in college but can't do it in pros. Now the difference there is that i do believe Fultz can/will be a high level shooter so I'd be real surprised if he were ever an offensive bust like those guys are currently, but I also can't see the James Harden comparisons for a guy who doesn't get to the rim at will against even NCAA caliber athletes. Not to mention his FT rate is far worse because he favors acrobatic finishes that shy away from contact (think Kyrie, D-Rose) rather than Harden's full speed/try and go through the defender and create contact approach. That's just a less efficient style because FT's are the most efficient shot in basketball.

Now hey, crazy development can happen for any prospect so never say never. Who thought Curry and Kawhi would be this level of players? But I don't see much reasonable evidence suggesting that Fultz ever becomes a Harden like talent. It'd take an outlier developmental curve to reach that kind of level.

[shawn unkempt]

I'm on a mission to talk myself into Jackson. #koolaid

[LarryBirdsFingr]

To the complainers:

You should be thankful the sixers were dumb enough to give us the extra pick.

Why you ask?

Danny was 100% ready to choose a player at #1 who wasn't fultz, regardless of this deal.

Let that sink in, if you want to complain and bitch and moan.

How does that justify the return?

You can still take Fultz, let Philly pick your guy, if he's there, and squeeze more out of them than a single pick with protection. If he's not there, you can still get a ransom for Fultz.

Now you may not even get your guy because the Lakers can take him. Not seeing the positive outlook...

Can't just "get fultz" when your gm isn't willing to pick him.

[Jingles]

So trading everyone for one title is worth it? That's why the Pats are so great. They don't make reactionary moves and now have 5 titles. It's like the Spurs. We get to say.."we won a title in '08!"

They say...that's nice. We have 5.

I take it you were all for keeping Al Jefferson, Delonte, Ryan Gomes and Jeff Green and building for 4 or 5 championships with them?

Minnesota became a lottery team by trading KG and got their 2009 first round pick they gave us for Ricky Davis back. I think Al Jefferson with Russell Westbrook and Steph Curry instead OJ Mayo and Johnny Flynn would have made the trade look a whole lot better to Wolves fans. Can't blame the trade for bad drafting.

And Curry was a hell of a lot better player in college than Fultz.

Not as a freshman he wasn't.

[jfs1000d]

We are not drafting a guard, DA said as much. So it is between Jackson/Tatum. God I hope it is Tatum. Can't deal with ya'll hyping up another player who can't score.

If jacks n can't be a scorer, not interested. He needs
To be a derozan type scorer IMO.


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[StojkoVrankovic]

To the complainers:

You should be thankful the sixers were dumb enough to give us the extra pick.

Why you ask?

Danny was 100% ready to choose a player at #1 who wasn't fultz, regardless of this deal.

Let that sink in, if you want to complain and bitch and moan.

Sauces?

[The Corey's]

I have one final practical question about the trade, which so far I've not seen answered.

If LA gets the 7th pick (or later) of the 2018 draft, do we have a choice here as to taking this, or does the deal specify that we must then choose the 2019 Sac. pick?? In other words, is it an option or not?

Why would you want pick 7.

Last thing I need is abother Marcus smart or KO drafted

[Sven]

Hello. Bulls fan here.

Any info you are hearing from any of your board insiders or Boston sports media regarding a possibility of Celtics trading for Butler?

Thanks.

Steven A. Smith, who still has ties to the Sixers, said the Bulls called the Sixers for that 3rd overall pick and they want that pick. That was a day prior to the Celtics and Sixers completing that trade. Steven A. metioned the Celtics are still interesting in Butler, so if they make that trade with Philly, look for the Celtics to move that to the Bulls in some package for Butler.

So yes, there is a good possibility that trade happens. Details will not be known, but the 3rd overall pick will most likely be involved for Butler.

So, if you can turn the 1 into a top 5 pick next year or in 2019 and Jimmy Butler, is that a good trade?

We still have two shots at a #1 pick (albeit one of them is in 2019), just like we did a month ago. We have a shot at having two top 5 picks in the same draft. We'd also have Jimmy Butler.

I feel like we went from two picks to two picks and Jimmy Butler, and how good that turns out depends on how BKN/LAL/SAC19 do, and how well Fultz/the rest of our team bans out in five years, but that's a trade I'm taking, especially if we land a big or two in next year's draft.

[BigTrade92]

To the complainers:

You should be thankful the sixers were dumb enough to give us the extra pick.

Why you ask?

Danny was 100% ready to choose a player at #1 who wasn't fultz, regardless of this deal.

Let that sink in, if you want to complain and bitch and moan.

How does that justify the return?

You can still take Fultz, let Philly pick your guy, if he's there, and squeeze more out of them than a single pick with protection. If he's not there, you can still get a ransom for Fultz.

Now you may not even get your guy because the Lakers can take him. Not seeing the positive outlook...

Can't just "get fultz" when your gm isn't willing to pick him.

That seems to be the real issue here.

Why would you not be willing to pick the consensus best player, that any lottery team would give an arm and a leg for?

So what, he made this trade out of stubbornness? That's even worse.

[ConstableGeneva]

Hello. Bulls fan here.

Any info you are hearing from any of your board insiders or Boston sports media regarding a possibility of Celtics trading for Butler?

Thanks.

Nothing concrete.
What's the latest word on Wade? Does he opt out? Are you guaranteeing Rondo's 2nd year? Does that affect the possibility of Butler getting traded and for Bulls to finally start a proper rebuild?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Many of you are underestimating the value of the extra pick, and actually letting something like that go, in both of the specific drafts.

[Cornbread]

The answer is, people want the highest pick possible.

Here's what a more acceptable deal would've been, if all we're gonna get are picks

#1 for #3 and the 2018 Lakers pick if it's <4, 2019 Kings pick if > or = 4

I don't have a problem with people being pessimistic about the trade or thinking we should have gotten more.

I'm specifically siting him using the term "protected" pick to try and drive emphasis towards his point when in actuality the protection of the pick is completely counter to his point.

Trump uses the same tactic all the time. If it isn't lying, it's only semantically so.

The point of it all is that it's not a fair return, protection or no protection. And save the political crap, not the place.

You have the #1 draft pick and the prospect any team in the lottery would kill to have.

Yet you can only come away with a two spot drop and a future pick that may end up being just another Marcus Smart?

That's an unacceptable return, plain and simple.

I thought the trade was for a future pick that may end up being just another Michael Jordan? Now I see where the disagreement is...

Stop using hyperbole. They traded Markelle Fultz for pick three and another likely high lottery pick.

You keep implying that every other team must have been falling over themselves to get Fultz, but who?

- the Lakers don't have an asset, outside of perhaps Ingram, that is worth more than the LAL/SAC pick.
- the Suns haven't shown any indication that they are interested in Fultz. Plus Bender, Chriss, Warren etc are all worth less than the pick.
- 3 and LAL/SAC is worth more than 5/10. No reason to believe they would offer more than that.

So what are these magical trades that everyone MUST have been willing to do that Ainge missed the boat on?

[BillessuR6]

To the complainers:

You should be thankful the sixers were dumb enough to give us the extra pick.

Why you ask?

Danny was 100% ready to choose a player at #1 who wasn't fultz, regardless of this deal.

Let that sink in, if you want to complain and bitch and moan.

Any info of who the guy is? JJ or Tatum?

I assume its JJ. Rumour about LA leaning towards JJ a couple of days ago was probably just a Magic tactic to try and break up the BOS-PHI deal...

Now that the deal is done LA seems to be leaning towards Ball again ( who was their pick all along)...

[The Corey's]

To the complainers:

You should be thankful the sixers were dumb enough to give us the extra pick.

Why you ask?

Danny was 100% ready to choose a player at #1 who wasn't fultz, regardless of this deal.

Let that sink in, if you want to complain and bitch and moan.

Wrong. He had Philly over a barrel. Once it got out they were trying to get the number one and needed Fultz..when they've needed a guard for years...and then said no over some future picks? The Philly fans would have rioted.

So no, he didn't do the best he could because he didn't take it as far as he could have. No way Philly backs down once it got out and was reported publicly.

I understand the point lbf is making but but totally disregards wether or not danny is tight.

Taking Jackson pick number 1 would of seriously put into question if he knew what he was doing.

Take fultz draft night and see what Sixers wanna offer you then. That's the approach he should of taken and I lol at the "idea" that he would of been "stuck with fultz.

[threrf23]

Doncic look like a young Bodiroga. He can do everything, but he is slow. Not sure he will fit in the NBA.

His frame is very similar to Draymond Green at the same age. What kept Draymond from being considered a first round pick is what is keeping people from considering Luka as a #1 pick. IMO