Trade Thread

[AirP.]

If were doing a rebuild, starting it with Wiggins would really suck. Butler is far better and that isn't even a discussion. Im sure Thibs agrees too

Better... yes, 21 years old... no. The kid almost scored 24 points a game in the NBA at age 21. Butler didn't average 20 till age 26.

[Dominator83]

If were doing a rebuild, starting it with Wiggins would really suck. Butler is far better and that isn't even a discussion. Im sure Thibs agrees too

Better... yes, 21 years old... no. The kid almost scored 24 points a game in the NBA at age 21. Butler didn't average 20 till age 26.

True. keep in mind though Butler, from the moment he finally got to start playing, was a force defensively. Wiggins thus far has been a sieve on that end, which is half the game

[TheSuzerain]

Rebuilding around Wiggins would be a disaster.

[sh0ck]

Trading Butler for Wiggins would be pretty unwise. Wiggins is a RFA next year and could potentially make more per year than Butler for 2 years.

[WYO]

Trading Butler for Wiggins would be pretty unwise. Wiggins is a RFA next year and could potentially make more per year than Butler for 2 years.

The idea is less about money and more about the window. You get 8 years with a 21 year old. Butler has maybe 3 years to show you have a serious contender. Butler is at a level that with him and scraps, you're looking at NBA purgatory unless you get a miraculous free agent with the Bulls front office. Wiggins can land you in the lottery while you try to get another potential star to pair with Wiggins. I'm not a fan of Wiggins by the way, I'm just explaining why he would be a more logical solution than the playoffs or bust approach the front office/ownership group has had recently.

[sh0ck]

Trading Butler for Wiggins would be pretty unwise. Wiggins is a RFA next year and could potentially make more per year than Butler for 2 years.

The idea is less about money and more about the window. You get 8 years with a 21 year old. Butler has maybe 3 years to show you have a serious contender. Butler is at a level that with him and scraps, you're looking at NBA purgatory unless you get a miraculous free agent with the Bulls front office. Wiggins can land you in the lottery while you try to get another potential star to pair with Wiggins. I'm not a fan of Wiggins by the way, I'm just explaining why he would be a more logical solution than the playoffs or bust approach the front office/ownership group has had recently.

The whole point of getting draft picks is that they will be cost controlled at the rookie scale through the years that you're still developing a roster.

Paying Wiggins the max extension from his Rookie deal is going to eat into your cap and hamper you from signing FAs to shape your roster.

And if Wiggins isn't good enough to drag a team into the playoffs (in a weak Eastern conference), is he really a player you want to build around? Or a guy you'll have zero leverage with when it's time to extend? I don't see the appeal of having to pay Wiggins 25+ per year in a year and having less cap room and a less talented player than Jimmy Butler.

Maxing out guys like Andrew Wiggins is the epitome of NBA purgatory. It's similar to building a team around Rudy Gay or DeMar DeRozen.

At this point, if you're going for a rebuild, the #3 pick is more valuable than Andrew Wiggins.

[johnnyvann840]

Seriously, if the Bulls trade Jimmy and wind up with a sloth like Jahlil Okafor (vomit), I probably won't watch any Bulls games next season. Probably won't watch much NBA, period.

[patryk7754]

I was thinking about the Celtics and what they could do to get better and I came up with the idea that after they sign Hayward they should do a sign and trade with horford to get Griffin.

[AirP.]

If were doing a rebuild, starting it with Wiggins would really suck. Butler is far better and that isn't even a discussion. Im sure Thibs agrees too

Better... yes, 21 years old... no. The kid almost scored 24 points a game in the NBA at age 21. Butler didn't average 20 till age 26.

True. keep in mind though Butler, from the moment he finally got to start playing, was a force defensively. Wiggins thus far has been a sieve on that end, which is half the game

Sure and until age 25 Butler's other side of the game(offense) wasn't good. Wiggins is still a kid in a man's game, I'd expect him to get better the next few years as he matures both mentally and physically. The potential is there the question is will he reach it, he's doing better then expected on the offensive end at age 21 so it's quite possible.

[Big Pippen]

I'm not a Wiggins fan, but if Thibs wants Jimmy enough to incude some extra pieces (of moderate value) Im listening.

Straight up (with garbage for filler) and I would rather keep Jimmy.

[R3AL1TY]

The main knock on Wiggins is his D. I think he is on the same level of Jimmy offensively minus his free throws a little. He showed signs of being a good 3 point shooter last season making over 100. I think this is an area he may be better than Jimmy in. He has a good FG% for a wing (45-46%).

[Big Pippen]

I think conventional wisdom says, the best way for LeBron to knock off the Warriors, is to slide over to power forward, thus leaving only one other big on the floor (Thompson, Bogut, whoever). If this is their plan, then Love is no longer needed, and their best trade chip.

Wade, Portis, Zipser for Love and Shumpert works in the trade checker. I have to think that the Cavs could get better for Love, Wade does not strike me as a value or plus player at this stage. But LeBron has been known to choose buddies over ballers.

I still don't think the Cavs would have enough to knock off the Warriors, but Zipser and Portis gives them 2 guys that can hit the open shots LeBron gets you.

Thompson, Bogut
LeBron, Portis, Frye
Korver, Zipser
JR Smith, Wade
Irving, Williams

As for the Bulls, I like the idea of adding an all star level talent Jimmy's age, with a complimentary game. Love and Jimmy would be a fantastic pairing.

Fantasy? Sure. Will be interesting to see what the Cavs do next. I do see them playing LeBron as their 4 and makinga play for a few players with young legs who can shoot.

[R3AL1TY]

Would hate to see the Bulls help the Lebrons by giving them Jimmy. If the Lebrons' FO are smart, they will see that K Love isn't the issue. The issue is how they are using him. If he plays like Lumberjack Love like when he was on the T-Wolves looking scruffy with all the beard, he would be a big factor. He played inside, out, and he gave you post up plays, and off the dribble plays. They utilized him like this partially in Game 1 and it was working, but they went away from it for the rest of the series.

Old Man Bron now has a habit of making good PFs decline a bit due to him wanting them to be limited to the 3 pt line.

The Lebrons' other issue is they have too many bums on the bench and not enough defense. If they fix their bench by going after certain guys in free agency, they will be a better team. Their starting lineup's defense still wouldn't be that good, but they can have part of their bench play with the starters and allow Old Man Bron and Kyrie to rest more.

[rtblues]

Hypothetical here, if Jimmy got dealt would that affect Wade opting in or out?
I'd say he's taking the dough regardless of Butler's fate...

[realEAST]

I'd go and offer Pacers #16 for PG13. Even if only for a season, we'd feel how it is to have two legit superstars.
And who knows, maybe he stays

[tgmxd]

Any chance the Bulls get in on Paul George? Can't imagine the trade would be costly and then in 2018 you could potentially get him to stay if you bring in another star.

[patryk7754]

I think the bulls are in a very favorable position right now. Most contenders won't want to give up a piece for PAul George since he might be a rental. I doubt the celtics give up one of their good picks or role players for a potential rental. And the cavs are a wild card. After those to teams, I believe the bulls can go after PG will little relative risk. There's not much this team can do to become legit contenders right now but they'll be a playoff team, otherwise known as basketball purgatory.

I think the bull could offer Rondo, Payne, Portis, this years pick and at least one more first. That's an expiring contract a nice prospect in Portis and decent future pick(s). I doubt anyone offers the Pacers a better pick than the 16th and after what Cousins got traded for this might be a good looking deal. They might want Valentine or Zipster instead of Payne which is still ok with me.

Bottom line, I think the risk of PG being a rental will turn off most teams from making an offer. The only real threats, in my opinion, are the cavs and Celtics and they might not want to give up great assets in Love or pick for a potential rental. So at the end of the day, the bulls might have the best offer on the table. If we do get hi, and he still leaves, having him for one season would still be better than losing in the second round (at best) and then becoming a bad team once wade leaves and Butler is traded

[CoreyVillains]

I'd go and offer Pacers #16 for PG13. Even if only for a season, we'd feel how it is to have two legit superstars.
And who knows, maybe he stays

I have no idea what his value is but I would imagine almost every team in the league offers something similar in value to the 16th pick even if he might leave in a year. I still think it would have to be multiple picks if the 16 was the starting point. If his value was close to that though the Bulls would have to pull the trigger obviously.

[patryk7754]

Bulls in: Paul George
Bulls Out: Rondo, Portis, Valentine, this years pick, 2019 first (protected) and possibly another future protected pick

Pacers out: Paul George
Pacers in: Rondo, Portis, Valentine, this years pick, 2019 first (protected) and possibly another future protected pick

After the trade, there will be roughly 19.6 mill in cap. Use that money to sign/resign the following

Felicio
Nene
Illasova
C.J. Miles

Wade/Grant/Payne
Butler/Miles/Wade
George/Zipster/Butler
Illasova/Nene/Felicio
Lopez/Nene/Felicio

[Butler4thewin]

I'd go and offer Pacers #16 for PG13. Even if only for a season, we'd feel how it is to have two legit superstars.
And who knows, maybe he stays

Came here to say the same thing we should bite and pray he stays with buckets #16 plus valentine