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Re: RE: Re: This offseason 

Post#1861 » by TinmanZBoy » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:06 pm

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Lin was signed as a point gaurd... that doesnt mean he has it for life. i dont really care if russell starts PG, SG or doesnt even start or is moved back and forth. whatever the best plan for his develpment is what needs to be done.

if lin cant get on board with development being the priority over his personal situation then he needs to STFU or GTFO.

that said, lin is a standup guy and if he needs to backup or do whatever it takes im sure he will

This.

Who cares who starts. I just want to see the best team basketball regardless of the lineup and minutes distribution.

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Exactly

The insecurity surrounding Lin and Russell is really a bit much. We want the team to get better, to win games, for everyone to do well.


Well... What I saw is your endless anxiety to rant, not so much lin fans' insecurity.... There is only one guy who is belittling Russell in an "absurd riridiculous" way, which arose you to rant no end.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1862 » by J_LA » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:13 pm

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qiantom wrote:I am not confident that Russell will ever be able to defend opposing PGs, so I am inclined to think that Nets intend to develop him as a SG with playmaking ability, somewhat like Harden.


Point Guards usually don't defend other point guards... Kyrie Irving doesn't defend Curry, while Curry doesn't defend Irving (this is only one example; both are championship-worthy teams).


Exactly, how nice would it be next year with a starting backcourt Russel and levert. Russel plays the point guard on offense and takes the opposing team's weaker guard.


Let me just tell you guys, his defense is not nearly as bad as everyone thinks. His rookie year he was terrible, there is no denying that. He almost seemed star struck. He would get caught just watching guys and have mental lapse after mental lapse.

Last season he started off much better. Effort was there and not as many mental lapses. By the end of last season the improvement was definitely noticeable. You could tell when he was engaged, he was solid. He had quite a few impressive defensive plays against guys like Lillard and Wall. Whether it was a blocked shot or a key steal. I would say he was better off guarding opposing pg's because he knows how to use his size and length. He's also strong. And the one thing he does exceptionally well and you guys will notice right away is playing the passing lanes. That's why he averaged 1.4 steals in 28 minutes.

He's not an all star yet. There are times he will frustrate the hell out of you (like every other 21 year old) because you've seen the other side of him. Just try and remember he is so far away from being a finished product. I'm sure most of you realize just like with the other young guys on your squad, patience is key
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1863 » by Keith Van Horn » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:32 pm

Raptors shopping the 23 pick... RHJ for it? Secure Pasecniks and another tough big?
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Post#1864 » by Paradise » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:03 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:Raptors shopping the 23 pick... RHJ for it? Secure Pasecniks and another tough big?

Negative. I think he's going to mesh well with D'Lo. I'd only do it for a Jordan Bell or John Collins selection.


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Re: This offseason 

Post#1865 » by Prokorov » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:23 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:Raptors shopping the 23 pick... RHJ for it? Secure Pasecniks and another tough big?


i dont think id move rhj for 23. i dont think we really get someone much better and id rather keep him for continuity sake if the pick is that late. although with us taking DJ wilson id really liek a second pick to take a center and wilson could step into RHJ's PF role.

id like to do carrole + 23 for nicholson + harris or skil. that would be ideal
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1866 » by Keith Van Horn » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:25 pm

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Keith Van Horn wrote:Raptors shopping the 23 pick... RHJ for it? Secure Pasecniks and another tough big?

Negative. I think he's going to mesh well with D'Lo. I'd only do it for a Jordan Bell or John Collins selection.


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really? I feel like we'd need more shooters.

either way, I feel like moving him or Booker would be the best way to get another pick... but hopefully it'd be packaged to move up
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1867 » by Paradise » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:21 pm

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Keith Van Horn wrote:Raptors shopping the 23 pick... RHJ for it? Secure Pasecniks and another tough big?

Negative. I think he's going to mesh well with D'Lo. I'd only do it for a Jordan Bell or John Collins selection.


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really? I feel like we'd need more shooters.

either way, I feel like moving him or Booker would be the best way to get another pick... but hopefully it'd be packaged to move up

Pasecniks isn't ready to play right away, though. It's a little different now that Brook is gone.


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Re: This offseason 

Post#1868 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:40 pm

Surprised, not much, that Hartenstein fell so much....

but he's someone I still like to gamble on...
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1869 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:02 pm

Kaiser30 wrote:Crazy, this deal is so beneficial for our upcoming offseason.

My biggest priority was getting another ball handler because I think we badly missed Vasquez at the beginning of last season, especially as soon as Lin went down and guys like Foye and Whitehead were asked to do more than they were able to handle. As most available backup PGs are journeymen, I would've been totally fine with offering Teodosic 10-12 M per year.

Well, after this deal, there is no need to add another ball handler as we already acquired a young top prospect and gave up ZERO cap space and instead gained some money for the first round pick.

So, assuming we pick a big in the draft, where do we go from here now?

Guards: Lin, Russell, Dinwiddie, Whitehead, Goodwin, Kilpatrick
Swingmen: LeVert, McDaniels, Harris
Forwards: RHJ, Booker, Acy, Nicholson
Bigs: Mozgov, Hamilton + first round pick

If we don't use any of these players to move up in the draft, I think Kilpatrick is almost sure to be gone. He's a bit old but not a vet and probably doesn't have much room to grow anymore compared to the other players. Instead, I'd like to see a bit more of Goodwin, McDaniels and Harris.

Agreed, nice.
And I think Marks still would like to add a legit forward/some size instead of playing 6'5 SGs for long stretches at the 3.

Dinwiddie and KJ are listed as 6'6 and LV 6'7, shouldn't be a big problem. RHJ can spend some time there if needed after he gets comfortable at the 4.
But there aren't many intriguing options on the market. Gallo is too old and injury prone considering he likely demands a four year deal.

My ideal scenario:

Either take on Carroll or Crabbe in a dump in order to acquire another late first for a stash. E. g. Carroll + 24 or Crabbe + 20 for Kilpatrick + Pacers second (assuredly a high to mid second and gaining value due to George's upcoming departure)?

Or go after PJ Tucker as a hard nosed vet, great defender and leader of this group.

And then just roll the rest of the cap space over for potential deals during the season or free agency 2018. I'd be totally fine with seeing this team develop and don't see much incentive to chase RFAs who are hard to obtain anyway and would require absolutely huge deals.

PJ Tucker would be too close to Booker/Acy?

Carroll doesn't fit very well. They'd probably have to pay more. Crabbe not bad.

After getting DRuss, don't want guys like Gallo anymore.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1870 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:04 pm

deviljets7 wrote:Not surprising to see the reports of the Spurs considering a move of Danny Green for cap space in order to make a run at a big FA (CP3?)

Considering this team is lacking in shooters and he's well-versed in the "Spurs way" I think he would be an excellent addition. Is the contract just high enough that he can be had without giving up an assets?

I'd rather give the PT to the young wings.

His skillset probably fits better with a better team.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1871 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:06 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Our lineup for next year should be

Russell
LeVert
Kilpatrick
RHJ
Mozgov

I don't care about Lin. He's better as a backup anyway.

I don't buy this whole "Russell is actually a SG" nonsense.

This is a Point Guard's league now. Russell needs to learn to play at that position and have the ball in his hands. Him and Lin are not going to work. And I'm totally opposed to moving LeVert to the 3 as well.


Kenny wants two ball handlers in the back court

LeVert played most of his mind last season at 3 if I'm not mistaken

Kilpatrick playing SF?

RHJ and Mozgov kills spacing.


Yeah you're right.

Maybe put Levert at 3 and Kilpatrick at the 2.

Either way I want Russell playing Point Guard.

I don't see how RHJ and Mozgov kill spacing.

Kenny definitely prefers having one of the bigs shoot three

SKil has shown us that unless one wants the team to be one of the worst with some kinda double digit losing streak, he is not a starter in this league. He's good as instant offense off the bench tho.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1872 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:08 pm

Vae Victus wrote:As i stated before, as a Laker fan i watched plenty of DLo's games and have been personally unimpressed due to his lack of physical tools. He does have a nice set of tricks in his bag, but without either A) elite penetration ability or B) 37% or better 3pt shooting, he'll be unable to really full utilize his trickster arsenal. Which is why we saw so much inconsistency from him the past 2 years. Also his defense... yea if you bench Lin to start DLo, you're gonna see ALOT of ugly defense on display, better to start DLo at the 2 and hide him on the worst opposing offensive wing.

However even with all that said, he does have a great amount of potential that was unfortunately pissed away due to his utter mismanagement and the circus show bull pervading LakerLand. With no good veterans to learn from and having a bunch of ball hogging chucking bastards on the court with him constantly taking everyone out of rhythm, it was pretty much impossible for him to grow to his fullest potential. Now im not gonna say he was devoid of fault either, he's immature and cocky as all hell too, so that rubbed alot of big personalities in LakerLand the wrong way and thus he got RELENTLESSLY destroyed by the LAL media.

In BRK he's gonna have a clean start. He'll be playing with a bunch of hard nosed lunch pail types who wont take any of his childish ****. He tries to act out i'm 100% sure the vets will put him in his place with the full blessing of Markinson. DLo is gonna have to learn how to grow up and i think the odds are good he'll become a much better person/player for it.

Offensively i'm confident he'll fit in fine. He's not a ball hog and tries to play the right way. In the motion offense and playing with non-ballhogs will see his confidence and consistency grow. He'll prolly get more open shots as he's now playing with penetrators who are willing passers instead of the Lou Will/Clarkson chucking show.

Defensively he's gonna need ALOT of work. He just never bothered to put any effort here, much like the rest of the Lakers. It didnt help playing with farewell tour Kobe who played zero defense himself and then playing with the same aformentioned ballhogs who gave zero **** on D and just chucked with wild abandon. If DLo brings that same attitude to BRK his ass will find its way to the bench ASAP. While the team shouldnt expect to see lock down defense from him, they damn well should except to see him put forth a good consistent effort on the defensive side and not be "saving" his energy just for offense.

Also for all the Lin fans who are terrified that DLo is gonna steal Lin's starting spot and thus be put out on his ass, i wouldnt be too worried about that. Lin has proven he can defend SGs during his time in CHA, so him and DLo can switch off on their man without any issues. If Lin continues his own progression, he'll be a top notch PG or SG himself as his 3pt shooting volume becomes more efficient. Hell, playing with DLo is gonna be night and day from playing with Foye. Lin is gonna get a bunch more open shots so i wouldnt be shocked one bit if he's at 38%+ next year. As long as Lin gets his legs back under him he's gonna show that he's too indispensible for the team to just toss away casually.

I mean, unless Russell Westbrook or Steph Curry is gonna come walking through the door next year, Lin should be able to nail down the PG OR SG spot here in BRK without any issues

How come Swaggy was starting last season tho?
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1873 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:20 pm

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Paradise wrote:I would rather keep Lin at the point. I want Russell to develop properly and I don't see that happening unless he sticks to the SG position similar to Harden and learns the point guard position from Lin and Atkinson for a good year. Harden only plays PG today because he mastered the shooting guard position as a sixth man in OKC and a starter in Houston.

Russell needs to learn how to become a consistent go-to scorer at the SG position before learning the point guard spot.


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But that possibly stunts LeVert's growth by forcing him to play the 3 full time.

He's listed as 6'7. I think Kenny has already penciled him in at the 3. He wants LVJ to play like LBJ. LVJ's got no problem guarding LBJ, he'll be fine.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1874 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:37 pm

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Paradise wrote:I would rather keep Lin at the point. I want Russell to develop properly and I don't see that happening unless he sticks to the SG position similar to Harden and learns the point guard position from Lin and Atkinson for a good year. Harden only plays PG today because he mastered the shooting guard position as a sixth man in OKC and a starter in Houston.

Russell needs to learn how to become a consistent go-to scorer at the SG position before learning the point guard spot.


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But that possibly stunts LeVert's growth by forcing him to play the 3 full time.

He's listed as 6'7. I think Kenny has already penciled him in at the 3. He wants LVJ to play like LBJ. LVJ's got no problem guarding LBJ, he'll be fine.

I've got no problem with LeVert at the 3 permanently, but I was going more by what Marks had said, that they know they need help at the 3. A lot of that is either fluid or a smokescreen though in all likelihood, especially now looking at how they brought in Russell. Have to strike when the opportunity is there and continue the modern basketball model and Kenny's system.

I still love the idea of Ntlikina and Mitchell, they're 2 of my favorite prospects in this draft, draft range regardless.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1875 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:55 am

LeVert has the size, footwork and IQ to defend both 2 and 3. I have zero concerns about him and I think the Lin/Russell/LeVert trio will be pretty dynamic.

Russell has got to buy in defensively though. That i am concerned about.
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Re: RE: Re: This offseason 

Post#1876 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:58 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:
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NyCeEvO wrote:This.

Who cares who starts. I just want to see the best team basketball regardless of the lineup and minutes distribution.

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Exactly

The insecurity surrounding Lin and Russell is really a bit much. We want the team to get better, to win games, for everyone to do well.


Well... What I saw is your endless anxiety to rant, not so much lin fans' insecurity.... There is only one guy who is belittling Russell in an "absurd riridiculous" way, which arose you to rant no end.


Yeah, yet I only see certain people on here acting like someone's spot is about to get taken, some to the point of outright trolling.

Thank god that Jeremy Lin doesn't act like a pussy, and embraces the fact that he's going to playing with a kid that has some serious upside and can shoot the ball. I'm glad he's on my team, and conducts himself like a professional that isn't looking over his shoulder, but just wants to get out there and work.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1877 » by Packers+NetsWIN » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:21 am

MrDollarBills wrote:LeVert has the size, footwork and IQ to defend both 2 and 3. I have zero concerns about him and I think the Lin/Russell/LeVert trio will be pretty dynamic.

Russell has got to buy in defensively though. That i am concerned about.


Levert needs to put on weight before he is able to be effective against 3's. All the hybrid forwards in the league makes that especially important. Hence, why marks said the 3 spot is the biggest need for this team in the offseason
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1878 » by NyCeEvO » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:36 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:The writing is on the wall, if Russell develops well, lin either is gone or accepting the 6th man role. Lin's age just does not align with what the nets is developing. Russell has all the advantages being as a 1, not so much as a 2. Similar situation for leVert, advantages as a 2, not so much as a 3. A lin/Russell/leVert lineup should be pretty good on offense, will not be good on defense until Russell/LeVert can improve to the point that they can consistently defend 2 positions.

Let's stop trying to predict the future and forecast the downfall of either player. I can't believe people are already tearing these guys down before they've even had a chance to practice together and be in the same locker room. :nonono:
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1879 » by NyCeEvO » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:38 am

Paradise wrote:
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Paradise wrote:Negative. I think he's going to mesh well with D'Lo. I'd only do it for a Jordan Bell or John Collins selection.


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really? I feel like we'd need more shooters.

either way, I feel like moving him or Booker would be the best way to get another pick... but hopefully it'd be packaged to move up

Pasecniks isn't ready to play right away, though. It's a little different now that Brook is gone.


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Yeah, Pasecniks needs some time. But if developed right, he'll be a nice player.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1880 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:42 am

Jarrett Allen is a HUGE(7'6 wingspan) steal!!!

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Great start to the offseason!

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