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Post#1961 » by imanshar » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:50 pm

Rockice_24 wrote:So the future looks bright at PG, SG and C. Then there is RHJ. Not sure if he's a long term PF or SF or energy bench guy. Right now he's the starting PF but next to Allen can we have 2 players who can't shoot? If we can get a 3 and D SF though and Levert who should improve as well I think it could work to be honest. That's why I'm all in on Otto Porter. He helps on the glass, he can switch off on 2/3/4 and he is an elite spot up shooter 43% from deep. I prefer to keep Russ at PG and Levert at the 2 so we can have good length across the board and not lose out on the length defensively pushing Levert to SF. With the cap we have we can add Porter at 4 yr/25M per. That would make him an expiring in the 2020/21 season right when we clear the dead weight (D-Will, Nicholson, Moz). We'd likely only have Allen, Levert, Russell (extended), RHJ (maybe) and Porter. As an expiring he would have value so the contract fits in with the time frame. Other option is to eat more dead weight and hope for another Russell type move but I want to win some games next year and build a culture now. Adding Porter give us exactly what we need.

Lin is comfortable off the bench so

PG: Russell/Lin
SG: Levert/IW
SF: Otto/Harris
PF: RHJ/Booker
C: Allen/Mozgov

I think we can make a playoff push if all goes well. The bench would be solid with Lin running the show. That's what I'm hoping for in FA.


Lin won't accept to come off the bench, he demands a trade before coming of the bench.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1962 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:52 pm

imanshar wrote:
Rockice_24 wrote:So the future looks bright at PG, SG and C. Then there is RHJ. Not sure if he's a long term PF or SF or energy bench guy. Right now he's the starting PF but next to Allen can we have 2 players who can't shoot? If we can get a 3 and D SF though and Levert who should improve as well I think it could work to be honest. That's why I'm all in on Otto Porter. He helps on the glass, he can switch off on 2/3/4 and he is an elite spot up shooter 43% from deep. I prefer to keep Russ at PG and Levert at the 2 so we can have good length across the board and not lose out on the length defensively pushing Levert to SF. With the cap we have we can add Porter at 4 yr/25M per. That would make him an expiring in the 2020/21 season right when we clear the dead weight (D-Will, Nicholson, Moz). We'd likely only have Allen, Levert, Russell (extended), RHJ (maybe) and Porter. As an expiring he would have value so the contract fits in with the time frame. Other option is to eat more dead weight and hope for another Russell type move but I want to win some games next year and build a culture now. Adding Porter give us exactly what we need.

Lin is comfortable off the bench so

PG: Russell/Lin
SG: Levert/IW
SF: Otto/Harris
PF: RHJ/Booker
C: Allen/Mozgov

I think we can make a playoff push if all goes well. The bench would be solid with Lin running the show. That's what I'm hoping for in FA.


Lin won't accept to come off the bench, he demands a trade before coming of the bench.


if lin doesnt want to buy into the team concept then he can STFU and GTFO.

a team that was clearly rebuilding when he signed on is not going to be held hostage by a fringe starter.

forutnetly... if they did ask him to come off the bench im sure he would accept the role, be a good soldier, and evaluate if he wants to be here in the offseason
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1963 » by imanshar » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:00 pm

Prokorov wrote:
if lin doesnt want to buy into the team concept then he can STFU and GTFO.

a team that was clearly rebuilding when he signed on is not going to be held hostage by a fringe starter.

forutnetly... if they did ask him to come off the bench im sure he would accept the role, be a good soldier, and evaluate if he wants to be here in the offseason


There is no reason for him to come of the bench for a rebuilding team when he can be bench player for a contender, it is not about being a soldier, he came to Brooklyn to be a starter and have a bigger role. Also if the plan is to bench him, there is no reason for Marks to keep him, he should trade Lin if that is the case. However, from what I heard from Marks in the last couple of days, I think Lin will be starter atleast for the next season and they will see how it goes so they can plan accordingly for the next season when he is a free agent.
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Post#1964 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:03 pm

imanshar wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
if lin doesnt want to buy into the team concept then he can STFU and GTFO.

a team that was clearly rebuilding when he signed on is not going to be held hostage by a fringe starter.

forutnetly... if they did ask him to come off the bench im sure he would accept the role, be a good soldier, and evaluate if he wants to be here in the offseason


There is no reason for him to come of the bench for a rebuilding team when he can be bench player for a contender, it is not about being a soldier, he came to Brooklyn to be a starter and have a bigger role. Also if the plan is to bench him, there is no reason for Marks to keep him, he should trade Lin if that is the case. However, from what I heard from Marks in the last couple of days, I think Lin will be starter atleast for the next season and they will see how it goes so they can plan accordingly for the next season when he is a free agent.


If the team feels its better for the development of russell and levert for lin to come off the bench then thats a great reason for lin to come off the bench. and there is plenty of reason to keep lin on the team as a bench player... he is a great leader and role model and has been good in that role in the past.

Lin will do what the nets want because lin is a team guy.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1965 » by imanshar » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:06 pm

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imanshar wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
if lin doesnt want to buy into the team concept then he can STFU and GTFO.

a team that was clearly rebuilding when he signed on is not going to be held hostage by a fringe starter.

forutnetly... if they did ask him to come off the bench im sure he would accept the role, be a good soldier, and evaluate if he wants to be here in the offseason


There is no reason for him to come of the bench for a rebuilding team when he can be bench player for a contender, it is not about being a soldier, he came to Brooklyn to be a starter and have a bigger role. Also if the plan is to bench him, there is no reason for Marks to keep him, he should trade Lin if that is the case. However, from what I heard from Marks in the last couple of days, I think Lin will be starter atleast for the next season and they will see how it goes so they can plan accordingly for the next season when he is a free agent.


If the team feels its better for the development of russell and levert for lin to come off the bench then thats a great reason for lin to come off the bench. and there is plenty of reason to keep lin on the team as a bench player... he is a great leader and role model and has been good in that role in the past.

Lin will do what the nets want because lin is a team guy.


I don't think it is happening. He will either be the starter or he will get dealt before the deadline.
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Post#1966 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:09 pm

imanshar wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
imanshar wrote:
There is no reason for him to come of the bench for a rebuilding team when he can be bench player for a contender, it is not about being a soldier, he came to Brooklyn to be a starter and have a bigger role. Also if the plan is to bench him, there is no reason for Marks to keep him, he should trade Lin if that is the case. However, from what I heard from Marks in the last couple of days, I think Lin will be starter atleast for the next season and they will see how it goes so they can plan accordingly for the next season when he is a free agent.


If the team feels its better for the development of russell and levert for lin to come off the bench then thats a great reason for lin to come off the bench. and there is plenty of reason to keep lin on the team as a bench player... he is a great leader and role model and has been good in that role in the past.

Lin will do what the nets want because lin is a team guy.


I don't think it is happening. He will either be the starter or he will get dealt before the deadline.


he wont be traded. its not about him its about the team
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Post#1967 » by steady » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:14 pm

Prokorov wrote:
imanshar wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
if lin doesnt want to buy into the team concept then he can STFU and GTFO.

a team that was clearly rebuilding when he signed on is not going to be held hostage by a fringe starter.

forutnetly... if they did ask him to come off the bench im sure he would accept the role, be a good soldier, and evaluate if he wants to be here in the offseason


There is no reason for him to come of the bench for a rebuilding team when he can be bench player for a contender, it is not about being a soldier, he came to Brooklyn to be a starter and have a bigger role. Also if the plan is to bench him, there is no reason for Marks to keep him, he should trade Lin if that is the case. However, from what I heard from Marks in the last couple of days, I think Lin will be starter atleast for the next season and they will see how it goes so they can plan accordingly for the next season when he is a free agent.


If the team feels its better for the development of russell and levert for lin to come off the bench then thats a great reason for lin to come off the bench. and there is plenty of reason to keep lin on the team as a bench player... he is a great leader and role model and has been good in that role in the past.

Lin will do what the nets want because lin is a team guy.


Lin would come off the bench, but I would be really really surprised if Markinson asked him to do it. Everything Marks and Atkinson have said recently point to Lin starting.

I get the frustration of some of you at some of the Lin supporters. I get frustrated too sometimes. But I also think some of you all say some sort of rude things about Lin sometimes. Not sure you are aware of it. LIke it sometimes sounds like you are saying he should do what he's told and be happy about it = because he is a team guy.

if they were not going to start Lin, I think there would be a conversation, and the Nets would understand that he would probably leave.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1968 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:16 pm

steady wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
imanshar wrote:
There is no reason for him to come of the bench for a rebuilding team when he can be bench player for a contender, it is not about being a soldier, he came to Brooklyn to be a starter and have a bigger role. Also if the plan is to bench him, there is no reason for Marks to keep him, he should trade Lin if that is the case. However, from what I heard from Marks in the last couple of days, I think Lin will be starter atleast for the next season and they will see how it goes so they can plan accordingly for the next season when he is a free agent.


If the team feels its better for the development of russell and levert for lin to come off the bench then thats a great reason for lin to come off the bench. and there is plenty of reason to keep lin on the team as a bench player... he is a great leader and role model and has been good in that role in the past.

Lin will do what the nets want because lin is a team guy.


Lin would come off the bench, but I would be really really surprised if Markinson asked him to do it. Everything Marks and Atkinson have said recently point to Lin starting.

I get the frustration of some of you at some of the Lin supporters. I get frustrated too sometimes. But I also think some of you all say some sort of rude things about Lin sometimes. Not sure you are aware of it. LIke it sometimes sounds like you are saying he should do what he's told and be happy about it = because he is a team guy.


i dont think he will sit or at least not early on either... but if they felt it was best then he should because its about the team and the team is paying him. and this is a team culture. if he isnt on board he needs to keep quiet buy in and leave in the offseason.

i get he came here to be a starter, but if the nets have a move that moves him to the bench that benefits him are they supposed to not do that move?
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Post#1969 » by Netaman » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:19 pm

Out of the 3 guards it doesn't matter who who plays where because, all 3 can get 30 MPG. Out of the 3 I think it will be an easy decision to start the season with LeVert off the bench and then the best guys will play down the stretch. It's really a non-issue.
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Post#1970 » by steady » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:42 pm

Lin will have to play well enough to deserve to start. I do agree with that.
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Post#1971 » by Vae Victus » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:44 pm

Only way Lin gets benched for DLo is if his ass keeps getting injured or he reverts into fulltime Scrub-Lin mode (IE putting up Bench-Lin stats while getting starter mins).

And if thats the case then Lin fans need to stfu and accept that Lin isnt cut out to be a starter. I'll personally be sad as all hell, but i always supported Lin for whats he's done and that he deserves to be given a fair shot, which he never has gotten. In Hou they created a ridiculous narrative that his defense sucked and that he and Harden couldnt co-exist (tell me, does Lin defense looked like it sucked? he didnt improve in CHA he just finally played on a team that had a real team defensive concept he didnt get left on a goddamn island all the time with zero help after getting picked off). In LA he had to play under the grossly incompetent Byron Scott and with egomaniac Kobe, and getting benched 20 games into the **** season to have **** Ronnie "Head of the Snake" Price start in his place, Lakers were tanking hard that year and our legendary Ronnie Price, Kobe, Ryan Kelly, Boozer, Robert Sacre lineup was gonna lead us to the **** promised land... oh gee we got #2 pick DLo, oh gee lets trade him in a coupla years without ever giving him a real shot either. CHA was a stupid gamble by LIn, i've always felt that he thought he could steal Kembas starting spot and you know what, Kemba REALLY sucked before Lin showed up, i mean just look at his stats. MAD RESPECT to Kemba for MASSIVELY upping his game out of the blue, sucks for Lin. Lin to his credit, when he started, posted EXCELLENT stats, and im sure thats what Marks was looking at when he signed Lin to be BRK's starter.

In BRK he'll get his shot at being the starter. Markinson will do it out of respect and what they promised in their FA meeting. Its up to Lin to show that he DESERVES to keep the spot and if he lets DLo eat his lunch and jack his spot, well then Lin has absolutely NO ONE but himself to blame for that.

Personally i've got confidence Lin is gonna put up a MONSTER season. The team's parts is MUCH better aligned now than last year, Lin DLo and Levert are gonna be moving that rock so fast that good shots galore will be going up. BroLo was a good dude, but man was he a TERRIBLE fit for the modern offense that Kenny wants to run. Mozgov will do his part in defending, PnRing, and if he can add a 33% 3pt shot too on 3 shots a game, woooo laddy, Nets offense is gonna have soooooooooooooo much spacing. I expect big years from EVERYONE.

As currently constructed and fully healthy, i say the team is 36 win squad. The next few moves will be interesting.
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Post#1972 » by steady » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:44 pm

Netaman wrote:Out of the 3 guards it doesn't matter who who plays where because, all 3 can get 30 MPG. Out of the 3 I think it will be an easy decision to start the season with LeVert off the bench and then the best guys will play down the stretch. It's really a non-issue.


I could also see Randy Foye coming off the bench , and LeVert starting at SF like he did last season.
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Post#1973 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:44 pm

Really I think it depends on free agency and trades before camp. If a starting caliber small forward is not brought it, LeVert probably mans the 3 and all of them start.

If the position is improved, one of them comes off the bench. I'm actually guessing it will be Russell, Ginobili is basically the guy's hero, but I'm sure it will be an open competition.
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Post#1974 » by steady » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:49 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Really I think it depends on free agency and trades before camp. If a starting caliber small forward is not brought it, LeVert probably mans the 3 and all of them start.

If the position is improved, one of them comes off the bench. I'm actually guessing it will be Russell, Ginobili is basically the guy's hero, but I'm sure it will be an open competition.


I could see that too

I found the way Marks worded his first public comments about the Russell trade last night really interesting. "D'Angelo's a versatile young guard with a bright future and we're enthusiastic about continuing his development ..." They clearly do not want him to feel entitled or like he's coming in to take over the mantel. (Not saying that he won't eventually, but they clearly want him to feel like he needs to earn it.) The exact same words could have been said about Isaiah Whitehead

I like it ... it is exactly what DAR needs I thought

Edit - And i think DAR is going to be really good, a superstar --if he comes anywhere close to fulfilling his potential
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Post#1975 » by Vae Victus » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:33 am

Lin, DLo, Levert are all gonna get 30 mins a game minimum and they'll be running hard all game long.

Dim get backup PG mins
IW, Skil will fight for SG/SF mins
Harris will get scrap SF and injury reserve mins as the bench sniper
RHJ might steal a few mins at SF depending on how overcrowed PF is

The minutes situation looks good. If Dim didnt come strong at the end of the season, then Kenny might stagger Lin and DLo with one of them coming off the bench, but since Dim is fine, there's no reason to dilute the starting lineup. Start DLo and Lin and see how it goes. Dont see Goodwin or KJ coming back, Skil only cuz he's cheaper and for continuity purposes.

The Nets wing situation is pretty much 100% set. They need to address what to do about the 4 spot and how to start getting rid of excess pieces if they do sign a major FA PF. Booker isnt gonna be happy, JHam is pretty useless with Acy around.

Edit: The DLo trades changed the whole paradigm. Before it made signing Porter seem like the best move as a way to finally shore up the wing rotation of Lin/Levert/Porter. But with DLo on board and with Mozgov cap hit, big money needs to be spent at PF cuz its the position most in flux and weakness, and with the declining amount of cap, the best place to spend is PF for a lasting or temporary solution if possible.
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Post#1976 » by Packers+NetsWIN » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:44 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Really I think it depends on free agency and trades before camp. If a starting caliber small forward is not brought it, LeVert probably mans the 3 and all of them start.

If the position is improved, one of them comes off the bench. I'm actually guessing it will be Russell, Ginobili is basically the guy's hero, but I'm sure it will be an open competition.


Agree with every word. And honestly I think that is the best way to go
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Post#1977 » by Paradise » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:53 am

steady wrote:Lin will have to play well enough to deserve to start. I do agree with that.


Not really.

He's the face of the team. He's kind of the spearheading individual for the good culture we're setting in here and we're going to definitely rely on him a lot more as the 'face' of the team now that D'angelo will have a massive spotlight surrounding his development.
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Post#1978 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:40 am

Gallo won't sign for a 1+1. The shortest I can envision him signing is a Lin-like 3 year deal with a player option for year 3. Now if he settles for a reasonable number, <$16mil, he'll likely opt out after year 2, to lock in another similar deal, while he's not yet too old.

He's the type of player that may be attainable on a value contract this year. There's currently a handful of teams with significantly more than MLE (approx. $8mil) cap space, and if some of the bigger names relocate, the cap space can dry up quickly.

The value in a veteran like Gallo is to alleviate pressure from the young guys, help lead, and keep us competitive. The last thing we want is to get consistently blown out & have young guys start to lose focus & fall into bad hero-ball habits.
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Post#1979 » by Keith Van Horn » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:45 am

imanshar wrote:
Rockice_24 wrote:So the future looks bright at PG, SG and C. Then there is RHJ. Not sure if he's a long term PF or SF or energy bench guy. Right now he's the starting PF but next to Allen can we have 2 players who can't shoot? If we can get a 3 and D SF though and Levert who should improve as well I think it could work to be honest. That's why I'm all in on Otto Porter. He helps on the glass, he can switch off on 2/3/4 and he is an elite spot up shooter 43% from deep. I prefer to keep Russ at PG and Levert at the 2 so we can have good length across the board and not lose out on the length defensively pushing Levert to SF. With the cap we have we can add Porter at 4 yr/25M per. That would make him an expiring in the 2020/21 season right when we clear the dead weight (D-Will, Nicholson, Moz). We'd likely only have Allen, Levert, Russell (extended), RHJ (maybe) and Porter. As an expiring he would have value so the contract fits in with the time frame. Other option is to eat more dead weight and hope for another Russell type move but I want to win some games next year and build a culture now. Adding Porter give us exactly what we need.

Lin is comfortable off the bench so

PG: Russell/Lin
SG: Levert/IW
SF: Otto/Harris
PF: RHJ/Booker
C: Allen/Mozgov

I think we can make a playoff push if all goes well. The bench would be solid with Lin running the show. That's what I'm hoping for in FA.


Lin won't accept to come off the bench, he demands a trade before coming of the bench.

no he wouldn't. He would do what's best for the team.. but with that said I don't think they'd bring him off the bench ever. They'd bring Levert off the bench if anything.
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Post#1980 » by 13th Man » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:17 am

Lin is not the type to demand a trade, he'll do what's best for the team then explore his options at the end of the season. With that said, I believe Atkinson will give him a fair shake and would only demote him if he clearly feels that's best for the team, not pull a rug from underneath him like what McHale and BS did.

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