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Post#1981 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:23 am

At this point I only want Otto Porter.

If we can't get him I don't want to sign any big contract.

Hard pass on KCP.
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Post#1982 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:27 am

Hard pass on Gallo. Harder pass on LMA who is a dog ass player.

We have no reason to bring guys like that in here. We've got young guys to develop, and if we spend money it should be for young guys that will be here long term.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1983 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:29 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:At this point I only want Otto Porter.

If we can't get him I don't want to sign any big contract.

Hard pass on KCP.


This.

Y'all want to shell out big bucks to oft injured vets or absorb overpaid dogs just to win 35 games. I'll pass
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Post#1984 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:41 am

We need to roll with Lin/Russell/LeVert/RHJ/Mozgov and take our lumps. Bringing in over priced vets is really a pointless move for a team that needs to maximize the young players that we have.

Winning games will come. Right now, we need to get our young guys another season of solid work, and room to succeed and fail.

I also want to see what we have with KJ and Archie. I'm 100% all in on Russell, LeVert, RHJ, Allen, Whitehead, Dinwiddie, KJ, & Archie. Give these guys maximum burn and tutelage.
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Post#1985 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:43 am

We need to roll with Lin/Russell/LeVert/RHJ/Mozgov and take our lumps. Bringing in over priced vets is really a pointless move for a team that needs to maximize the young players that we have.

Winning games will come. Right now, we need to get our young guys another season of solid work, and room to succeed and fail.

I also want to see what we have with KJ and Archie. I'm 100% all in on Russell, LeVert, RHJ, Allen, Whitehead, Dinwiddie, KJ, & Archie. Give these guys maximum burn and tutelage.
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Post#1986 » by DartboardT » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:47 am

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steady wrote:Lin will have to play well enough to deserve to start. I do agree with that.


Not really.

He's the face of the team. He's kind of the spearheading individual for the good culture we're setting in here and we're going to definitely rely on him a lot more as the 'face' of the team now that D'angelo will have a massive spotlight surrounding his development.


Uh...JLin DOES play well enough to deserve to start.

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IF people mean, it's his PG spot to lose, yeah, of course. But if you look at Dloading brings, and kind of is (a SG who can play some PG, call him a 1.7 on the Guard Scale), and "compare" him to JLin's role (a PG called on to play some off-ball, around 1.3-1.5 on the Guard Scale), you're most likely to see them run the floor TOGETHER as a dual-ball-handling one-two punch.

Nets had SG by Committee all last year, so this is exciting stuff! Dinwiddie's probably penciled in as the 6th Man guard, depending on what Whitehead and Skilpatrick show between now and the preseason.
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Post#1987 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:36 am

MrDollarBills wrote:We need to roll with Lin/Russell/LeVert/RHJ/Mozgov and take our lumps. Bringing in over priced vets is really a pointless move for a team that needs to maximize the young players that we have.

Winning games will come. Right now, we need to get our young guys another season of solid work, and room to succeed and fail.

I also want to see what we have with KJ and Archie. I'm 100% all in on Russell, LeVert, RHJ, Allen, Whitehead, Dinwiddie, KJ, & Archie. Give these guys maximum burn and tutelage.

Agreed. Don't want any expensive FA basically, especially the older ones.

Question marks are the new bigs, whether they can shoot, if Mozgov is healthy and can Jar play both 4 and 5.
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Post#1988 » by JoseRizal » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:07 am

The only wing I would like us to sign is Otto Porter and I won't expand since it's the same reasons stated by most of you guys here.

If not, I still feel that we should add a scoring big for our guards/wings to flourish.

Right now, we only have the following:
Mozgov
Hamilton
Booker
Act
Nicholson
RHJ

All who are incapable/inconsistent of shooting the 3 ball.

Hope we can get like an Olynyk or any stretch big just to spread the offense better.
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Post#1989 » by Prokorov » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:18 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:At this point I only want Otto Porter.

If we can't get him I don't want to sign any big contract.

Hard pass on KCP.



i agree with one caveat.... i dont want KCP anywhere near the max. if we can get him in a sign and trade for say... 4/72 i could be omboard with that
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Post#1990 » by Keith Van Horn » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:44 pm

I think one of the big things we're overlooking is the need to help our defense. Last season, our defense was absolutely pitiful. Is OPJ considered a decent defensive wing? How about KCP?

Also, if we could get a good wing player here, why not consider moving Levert to the bench and let him still get his 25 minutes a night from there? A bench unit of

Din / IW / Levert / Booker / Allen

could provide a nice balance of scoring, defense, and development. Levert would be the glue guy and focal point of the offense for that unit. Maybe insert Skil over IW there too.

Then you have

Lin / DLo / *FA* / RHJ / Moz

as your starters. Hopefully that FA is OPJ but I'm not holding my breath. I'm not completely sold on KCP but at the same time I won't reject him completely either.

Keep some of the other role guys around, maybe move guys like Archie / KJ to the G League to let them get big minutes on a nightly basis... Look to move a role guy like Acy or Hamilton for an early second rounder next year. Keep Nicholson in a suit lol.

Just some Saturday morning thoughts :sleep: :lol:
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1991 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:44 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:At this point I only want Otto Porter.

If we can't get him I don't want to sign any big contract.

Hard pass on KCP.



i agree with one caveat.... i dont want KCP anywhere near the max. if we can get him in a sign and trade for say... 4/72 i could be omboard with that

I really don't want KCP at any price point, well at least any realistic one. I mean, will he better than one of Dinwiddie, McDaniels or Goodwin by season's end? I mean literally? What does he do so well? He's a plus but not league leading defender. He's a solid but not great shooter. He's not efficient. He's small to guard 3's. Handle and creation abilities is suspect. He's not as good as Afflalolol was in his prime and his upside isn't much higher than what he currently is.

I really want no part in him. It should be Porter or bust for the most part, unless they're planning on trading RHJ before the season starts or bring him off the bench, then some stretch 4's who can defend make sense, though again, does Markinson really want to cut into cap room with those guys unless it's a trade or S&T with Booker and maybe Hamilton or Nicholson's contracts involved?
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Re: This offseason 

Post#1992 » by Prokorov » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:00 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:At this point I only want Otto Porter.

If we can't get him I don't want to sign any big contract.

Hard pass on KCP.



i agree with one caveat.... i dont want KCP anywhere near the max. if we can get him in a sign and trade for say... 4/72 i could be omboard with that

I really don't want KCP at any price point, well at least any realistic one. I mean, will he better than one of Dinwiddie, McDaniels or Goodwin by season's end? I mean literally? What does he do so well? He's a plus but not league leading defender. He's a solid but not great shooter. He's not efficient. He's small to guard 3's. Handle and creation abilities is suspect. He's not as good as Afflalolol was in his prime and his upside isn't much higher than what he currently is.

I really want no part in him. It should be Porter or bust for the most part, unless they're planning on trading RHJ before the season starts or bring him off the bench, then some stretch 4's who can defend make sense, though again, does Markinson really want to cut into cap room with those guys unless it's a trade or S&T with Booker and maybe Hamilton or Nicholson's contracts involved?


i think he can be a top defender and he can shoot. id eb 100% against him pre lopez trade. but at 24 im fine taking him if its 18M or less. i like that we could run out such a sick/athletic/defensive minded lineup. but with him only at a price where i know id maintain my cap flexibility
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Post#1993 » by Prokorov » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:02 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:I think one of the big things we're overlooking is the need to help our defense. Last season, our defense was absolutely pitiful. Is OPJ considered a decent defensive wing? How about KCP?


KCP is very good defensively. he is smaller but can gaurd 2s and 3s and switch to 4s and not get abused. he is really athletic.

OPJ is an average defender. he can gaurd 3s and 4s but really gets exposed on gaurds. he is much better offensively then KCP though

Also, if we could get a good wing player here, why not consider moving Levert to the bench and let him still get his 25 minutes a night from there? A bench unit of

Din / IW / Levert / Booker / Allen

could provide a nice balance of scoring, defense, and development. Levert would be the glue guy and focal point of the offense for that unit. Maybe insert Skil over IW there too.

Then you have

Lin / DLo / *FA* / RHJ / Moz

as your starters. Hopefully that FA is OPJ but I'm not holding my breath. I'm not completely sold on KCP but at the same time I won't reject him completely either.

Keep some of the other role guys around, maybe move guys like Archie / KJ to the G League to let them get big minutes on a nightly basis... Look to move a role guy like Acy or Hamilton for an early second rounder next year. Keep Nicholson in a suit lol.

Just some Saturday morning thoughts :sleep: :lol:


id rather bench lin/dlo/rhj then levert. he is one of our best 2 way guys
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Post#1994 » by Keith Van Horn » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:10 pm

I'm sure either way, that Kenny would do a ton of mixing and matching to see what sticks. Lot of hypothetical stuff here but at the start of the season all bets are off.
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Post#1995 » by hood30 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:43 pm

Prokorov wrote:
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Rockice_24 wrote:So the future looks bright at PG, SG and C. Then there is RHJ. Not sure if he's a long term PF or SF or energy bench guy. Right now he's the starting PF but next to Allen can we have 2 players who can't shoot? If we can get a 3 and D SF though and Levert who should improve as well I think it could work to be honest. That's why I'm all in on Otto Porter. He helps on the glass, he can switch off on 2/3/4 and he is an elite spot up shooter 43% from deep. I prefer to keep Russ at PG and Levert at the 2 so we can have good length across the board and not lose out on the length defensively pushing Levert to SF. With the cap we have we can add Porter at 4 yr/25M per. That would make him an expiring in the 2020/21 season right when we clear the dead weight (D-Will, Nicholson, Moz). We'd likely only have Allen, Levert, Russell (extended), RHJ (maybe) and Porter. As an expiring he would have value so the contract fits in with the time frame. Other option is to eat more dead weight and hope for another Russell type move but I want to win some games next year and build a culture now. Adding Porter give us exactly what we need.

Lin is comfortable off the bench so

PG: Russell/Lin
SG: Levert/IW
SF: Otto/Harris
PF: RHJ/Booker
C: Allen/Mozgov

I think we can make a playoff push if all goes well. The bench would be solid with Lin running the show. That's what I'm hoping for in FA.


Lin won't accept to come off the bench, he demands a trade before coming of the bench.


if lin doesnt want to buy into the team concept then he can STFU and GTFO.

a team that was clearly rebuilding when he signed on is not going to be held hostage by a fringe starter.

forutnetly... if they did ask him to come off the bench im sure he would accept the role, be a good soldier, and evaluate if he wants to be here in the offseason


While I agree with you that Lin should not hold Brooklyn's future hostage for his sick( and he won't), your answer is extremily unprofessional and I'm frankly not surprised given it is you....

There's no need for the 'STFU and GTFO"...Stop trying to start any war here man and again, you've been doing this from the start.


I'm pretty sure Lin will do whatever is asked of him even if he doesn't agree with it but I'm almost sure he's a lock to start beside D'Angelo....Even if the Nets signs Otto, I still believe Lin starts while LeVert comes off the bench simply because Kenny needs to show some improvement from last year 2o win season and Brooklyn was greatly improved when Lin played last year.

Kenny is not a rookie anymore and he himself, will have to demonstrate some growth in his coaching, so I doubt he starts a team full of young players while a productive and experience player like Lin plays 15/20mpg as back up.

Even if the plan is to trade Lin by trading dead-line, you'd probably be best to start him to prop up his value and than trade him for highest price...Same that was done with Bojan who started to let him prop up his value.

Dinwinndie, Goodwin and Whitehead will back up the PG position, so there's no reason to push Lin on the bench...I do believe that if the plan is to start D'Lo/LeVert on the backcourt as soon as this year, they'd rather trade Lin right away but LeVert is probably a few years away, so Lin will start ahead of him to start the season until he's traded by trading dead-line.
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Post#1996 » by Prokorov » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:56 pm

hood30 wrote:While I agree with you that Lin should not hold Brooklyn's future hostage for his sick( and he won't), your answer is extremily unprofessional and I'm frankly not surprised given it is you....

There's no need for the 'STFU and GTFO"...Stop trying to start any war here man and again, you've been doing this from the start.


IF Lin puts himself above the team he is no better the Dwill and he would need to GTFO for sure.
I'm pretty sure Lin will do whatever is asked of him even if he doesn't agree with it but I'm almost sure he's a lock to start beside D'Angelo....Even if the Nets signs Otto, I still believe Lin starts while LeVert comes off the bench simply because Kenny needs to show some improvement from last year 2o win season and Brooklyn was greatly improved when Lin played last year.


i agree, which is why i dont think there will be a problem. but several others have suggest he would demand to start or demand a trade. i cant see that but if he did the he deserves 0 sympathy from real nets fans

Kenny is not a rookie anymore and he himself, will have to demonstrate some growth in his coaching, so I doubt he starts a team full of young players while a productive and experience player like Lin plays 15/20mpg as back up.


Im sure lin will play. im sure the kids will play tons as well

Even if the plan is to trade Lin by trading dead-line, you'd probably be best to start him to prop up his value and than trade him for highest price...Same that was done with Bojan who started to let him prop up his value.

Dinwinndie, Goodwin and Whitehead will back up the PG position, so there's no reason to push Lin on the bench...I do believe that if the plan is to start D'Lo/LeVert on the backcourt as soon as this year, they'd rather trade Lin right away but LeVert is probably a few years away, so Lin will start ahead of him to start the season until he's traded by trading dead-line.


Lin's value to the team is as a leader and mentor. so sitting vs starting doesnt matter. i dont trade him and i dont adjust his minutes to up his value. if he decides to walk id wish him luck he has been a great teammate here and was instrumental in culture building.

there is 0 reason to trade lin
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Post#1997 » by hood30 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:03 pm

Netaman wrote:Out of the 3 guards it doesn't matter who who plays where because, all 3 can get 30 MPG. Out of the 3 I think it will be an easy decision to start the season with LeVert off the bench and then the best guys will play down the stretch. It's really a non-issue.


Agree with this...I know most of you are very high on LeVert, but at best, he's still probably a few years away, so it'll be best to start Lin alongside D'Angelo to balance out the back-court and based on how the team is doing, you could always trade Lin at trading deadline and start LeVerts at SG once Lin is gone by midseason.
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Post#1998 » by Antti22 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:06 pm

I think LeVert is much closer than you think. You have to remember he missed half of last year and more importantly missed all of offseason and training camp. He will be breaking out this year! But I wouldnt mind him as 6th man gunner to start the season.
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Post#1999 » by tonman » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Prokorov wrote:
hood30 wrote:While I agree with you that Lin should not hold Brooklyn's future hostage for his sick( and he won't), your answer is extremily unprofessional and I'm frankly not surprised given it is you....

There's no need for the 'STFU and GTFO"...Stop trying to start any war here man and again, you've been doing this from the start.


IF Lin puts himself above the team he is no better the Dwill and he would need to GTFO for sure.
I'm pretty sure Lin will do whatever is asked of him even if he doesn't agree with it but I'm almost sure he's a lock to start beside D'Angelo....Even if the Nets signs Otto, I still believe Lin starts while LeVert comes off the bench simply because Kenny needs to show some improvement from last year 2o win season and Brooklyn was greatly improved when Lin played last year.


i agree, which is why i dont think there will be a problem. but several others have suggest he would demand to start or demand a trade. i cant see that but if he did the he deserves 0 sympathy from real nets fans

Kenny is not a rookie anymore and he himself, will have to demonstrate some growth in his coaching, so I doubt he starts a team full of young players while a productive and experience player like Lin plays 15/20mpg as back up.


Im sure lin will play. im sure the kids will play tons as well

Even if the plan is to trade Lin by trading dead-line, you'd probably be best to start him to prop up his value and than trade him for highest price...Same that was done with Bojan who started to let him prop up his value.

Dinwinndie, Goodwin and Whitehead will back up the PG position, so there's no reason to push Lin on the bench...I do believe that if the plan is to start D'Lo/LeVert on the backcourt as soon as this year, they'd rather trade Lin right away but LeVert is probably a few years away, so Lin will start ahead of him to start the season until he's traded by trading dead-line.


Lin's value to the team is as a leader and mentor. so sitting vs starting doesnt matter. i dont trade him and i dont adjust his minutes to up his value. if he decides to walk id wish him luck he has been a great teammate here and was instrumental in culture building.

there is 0 reason to trade lin



lin isn't going to sit. he's going to start.

levert isn't going to sit. he's going to play SF.

the guard/wing lineup will be lin, Russell, and levert. stop trying to change things. next year, three years from now, whatever things may change. all this time we've heard about two ball handlers and George hill and playing lin and hill next to each other and once Russell comes on board, that plan just goes away?

all we've done is replaced foye with Russell and lopez with mozgov/allen.

as much potential allen has and as serviceable as RHJ and Booker are, the gaping hole is still PF, not SF. if you talk about RHJ playing undersize at PF then there's no reason levert can't play SF and Russell can't play SG with the ball movement system we have.

you play lin and Russell together. stagger their minutes so one of them is on the court at all times. dinwiddle and whitehead come in to be the "2nd ball handler". dinwiddle is more under control and would be good off Russell while lin can manage whitehead.

now you concentrate from GM perspective to find the right player(s) to come in and fill the roster. we're missing a starting PF. RHJ is fine at PF off the bench. you can't rely on his size against every team. his offense isn't good enough to offset his size despite his energy. there may not be a FA out there to come in at PF but if you're moving people around because you can't find the players to fit a position, then you should not have any issues with other players playing "out of position".
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Post#2000 » by Antti22 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:33 pm

But if we are able to get Porter Jr, would we sell him on playing the small ball PF position?

The projected starting 5 at the moment is already looking awesome to watch for me. But I am just wondering who would we replace with Porter Jr for example? Someone has to be the 6th man...

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