16-17 Trade Discussion Thread *Read mod note on pg. 35*

[sacking123]

It's almost frustrating. Now there seems to be traction on more than a few players that would have been great to supplement Cuz with. Beverley, Millsap, the Spurs look ready to dump Green.

I still go back to this as a reason why maybe signing vets if they move the needle and don't fade too quickly might not be so bad. Some of the Kings main young pieces are knocking on the door of their mid-20's. The Kings are in a decent position to perhaps stock up a competitive team sooner than later.

Yeah correct, Vlade looked like he was interested in Millsap before the deadline and it would have been great to get him with DMC.
With Beverley becoming available on top of Anderson in Houston Vlade could have created a good line up out of it all.
However I like the current track we are on and I don't think adding more vets to Temple/Koufas is a good idea unless it's a mentor role that puts them 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart at their position.
The thing about having a few guys creeping close to their mid 20s already is that they will become our vets quite quickly.
Just how quickly players can adapt to becoming the leaders from being a young up and comer will sort this group out quickly in the next 12 months.
Temple and one other vet really is enough for this team, just watch WCS grow as a leader this coming season too.
I'm not sure if Buddy can do it, I have serious doubts but we need him to IMO even though he is only heading into his second season.


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[Warriorfan]

Granted Tibbs knows Butler did the Kings get enough value for Cousins who I think is a more valuable player. 3 first round picks

[sacking123]

Yeah he did, difference is Butlers agent didn't ring Minny and threaten them like DMCs.
Buddy, Jackson, Giles and a lot of cap space (which we are seeing what it's worth at the moment)
Let's see how it plays out, plus I would add that we wouldn't get Fox either, probably lose the pick with DMC.


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[jeffjtk1234]

Any chance we sign shabazz? I like him at the 3, he's young, thoughts?


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[sdballer]

Any chance we sign shabazz? I like him at the 3, he's young, thoughts?


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I hope not. He's a below average shooter and defender who doesn't pass well. Would rather just let Jackson play.

[SacKingZZZ]

That's kind of an issue with him. How would his circumstances on this team be much different than in Minnesota? Signing guys that can light it up with a certain number of attempts looks great on paper, but what else do they bring? I will say I think the idea of him as a small ball PF is intriguing.

[enderwilson]

Granted Tibbs knows Butler did the Kings get enough value for Cousins who I think is a more valuable player. 3 first round picks

Subjectively and in hindsight I think yes. As a homer, I was rooting for Cuz because he was an all-star who played for the Kings. However, I'm also a big fan of team basketball (see Sacramento circa 1999-2003) but that requires teammates that are unselfish with the ball. The word "unselfish" is not a term that comes to mind when mentioning players like Demarcus Cousins or Rudy Gay. Great players, but very ball dominant. Maybe you can fault the style of play plagued the team during their time here. But, like culture, once that style becomes ingrained, it's hard to change.

So from a numbers standpoint, the players and assets might not add up to a player of Cousins stature. But through addition by subtraction, trading away DMC and watching Rudy walk instead of courting him has provided an opportunity to assemble team-first type players.

At the end of last year we got a taste of what this team could look like when the players played with and off each other. Next year will be the first real litmus test to see how coach Joerger brings all the new ingredients together.

[SacKingZZZ]

Granted Tibbs knows Butler did the Kings get enough value for Cousins who I think is a more valuable player. 3 first round picks

Subjectively and in hindsight I think yes. As a homer, I was rooting for Cuz because he was an all-star who played for the Kings. However, I'm also a big fan of team basketball (see Sacramento circa 1999-2003) but that requires teammates that are unselfish with the ball. The word "unselfish" is not a term that comes to mind when mentioning players like Demarcus Cousins or Rudy Gay. Great players, but very ball dominant. Maybe you can fault the style of play plagued the team during their time here. But, like culture, once that style becomes ingrained, it's hard to change.

So from a numbers standpoint, the players and assets might not add up to a player of Cousins stature. But through addition by subtraction, trading away DMC and watching Rudy walk instead of courting him has provided an opportunity to assemble team-first type players.

At the end of last year we got a taste of what this team could look like when the players played with and off each other. Next year will be the first real litmus test to see how coach Joerger brings all the new ingredients together.

Those Kings were unselfish but make no mistake, Webber was the man. You always have to have someone to turn to when you have to out superstar the opponent. There is no reason Cousins couldn't have been the new Webber for that team on the floor. It had to be something other than that. Rudy Gay have no argument for. He's as un-classic Kings like as you get.

[City of Trees]

More max players on the move? CP3 and Blake both opted out. Dont forget PG13 still wants out. Perfect situation for Sac to sit back and listen to offers for cap space.

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[VeeJay24]

The only thing that scares me and this has to be asked: Do we have the right coach to develop and coach these young guys up? Would the Kings be better off with a Mark Jackson or just off the top of my head a Sam Cassell who had a lot to do with the development of Wall and Beal. My vote for a veteran player help mold would be Paul Pierce; he did wonders for Otto Porter. I would even take him as an assistant if he was willing. I say these things because the Kings don't have a true veteran to teach these guys how to be a pro. I'm sorry Temple & Koufas don't fit the bill.

[blind prophet]

The only thing that scares me and this has to be asked: Do we have the right coach to develop and coach these young guys up? Would the Kings be better off with a Mark Jackson or just off the top of my head a Sam Cassell who had a lot to do with the development of Wall and Beal. My vote for a veteran player help mold would be Paul Pierce; he did wonders for Otto Porter. I would even take him as an assistant if he was willing. I say these things because the Kings don't have a true veteran to teach these guys how to be a pro. I'm sorry Temple & Koufas don't fit the bill.

Hell yeah we have the right coach for development.

Joerger paid his dues, multi year D league coach who worked his way here.

Big on fundamentals, and everyone earns their place.

It's an insult to bring up Jackson.

Elston was with Joerger in Memphis, was an assistant here under Adleman.

Combine that with Vlade & Peja who also were obviously under Adleman, I don't think there is any confusion going on with this crew.

Martin in Reno seems to have done a decent job too with Skal and Papa so far.

[enderwilson]

Granted Tibbs knows Butler did the Kings get enough value for Cousins who I think is a more valuable player. 3 first round picks

Subjectively and in hindsight I think yes. As a homer, I was rooting for Cuz because he was an all-star who played for the Kings. However, I'm also a big fan of team basketball (see Sacramento circa 1999-2003) but that requires teammates that are unselfish with the ball. The word "unselfish" is not a term that comes to mind when mentioning players like Demarcus Cousins or Rudy Gay. Great players, but very ball dominant. Maybe you can fault the style of play plagued the team during their time here. But, like culture, once that style becomes ingrained, it's hard to change.

So from a numbers standpoint, the players and assets might not add up to a player of Cousins stature. But through addition by subtraction, trading away DMC and watching Rudy walk instead of courting him has provided an opportunity to assemble team-first type players.

At the end of last year we got a taste of what this team could look like when the players played with and off each other. Next year will be the first real litmus test to see how coach Joerger brings all the new ingredients together.

Those Kings were unselfish but make no mistake, Webber was the man. You always have to have someone to turn to when you have to out superstar the opponent. There is no reason Cousins couldn't have been the new Webber for that team on the floor. It had to be something other than that. Rudy Gay have no argument for. He's as un-classic Kings like as you get.

Agree but that's besides my point. The development of the Webber era King's was organic. With the exception of Bibby, all the key players arrived in Sac at the same time as CWebb so the team culture was a group effort. The DMC era Kings was forced. At no point were competent players or coaches assembled around him long enough for any culture to develop. This just fed into a dismal treadmill of instability with the teams success resting solely on a one person's shoulders. CWebb was an integral part to the teams success but so was Vlade, Peja, Bibby, Christie, Pollard, BJax, and even including JWill, Hedo, and Jon Barry all under Adelman's direction. That was a team that could win games while CWebb was out. The year Sacramento went 61-21, CWebb played only 54 games. I'm more excited about our chances for succeeding due to culture building without a superstar to begin with and trying to add that missing piece later.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

In my opinion we need 3 positions to round out the roster this off season. We need a veteran PG, SF, and PF. The Rockets want Chris Paul and need to clear salary. Vlade could take care of all 3 positional needs and clear the necessary space for the Rockets to sign Paul in 1 trade.

Kings trade: Top 55 protected 2018 pick
Rockets trade: Patrick Beverley, Trevor Ariza, and Ryan Anderson

Kings take on $32.5 million in salary this year but still remain well under the cap to facilitate other asset centered trades. Ariza expires and Beverley has a team option. They could show the young guys the ropes then be traded to contenders at the trade deadline for assets. This accomplishes what I've heard in the forum. Note Ariza could be replaced with Sam Dekker or signed and traded Troy Williams.

PG De'Aaron Fox/Patrick Beverley/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Trevor Ariza/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Ryan Anderson/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

I'd love to see Fox driving and kicking out to the likes of Buddy, Bogdanovic, Anderson, and others for 3's.

[City of Trees]

In my opinion we need 3 positions to round out the roster this off season. We need a veteran PG, SF, and PF. The Rockets want Chris Paul and need to clear salary. Vlade could take care of all 3 positional needs and clear the necessary space for the Rockets to sign Paul in 1 trade.

Kings trade: Top 55 protected 2018 pick
Rockets trade: Patrick Beverley, Trevor Ariza, and Ryan Anderson

Kings take on $32.5 million in salary this year but still remain well under the cap to facilitate other asset centered trades. Ariza expires and Beverley has a team option. They could show the young guys the ropes then be traded to contenders at the trade deadline for assets. This accomplishes what I've heard in the forum. Note Ariza could be replaced with Sam Dekker or signed and traded Troy Williams.

PG De'Aaron Fox/Patrick Beverley/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Trevor Ariza/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Ryan Anderson/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

I'd love to see Fox driving and kicking out to the likes of Buddy, Bogdanovic, Anderson, and others for 3's.

Call me greedy or a homer but I'd also want Houston's 2019 1st (lotto protected). That's a lot of salary to absorb with no compensation.

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[RIPskaterdude]

There is no way in hell that I would take on Ryan Anderson without any assets at all. No way. Even if they threw in an unprotected 1st.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

In my opinion we need 3 positions to round out the roster this off season. We need a veteran PG, SF, and PF. The Rockets want Chris Paul and need to clear salary. Vlade could take care of all 3 positional needs and clear the necessary space for the Rockets to sign Paul in 1 trade.

Kings trade: Top 55 protected 2018 pick
Rockets trade: Patrick Beverley, Trevor Ariza, and Ryan Anderson

Kings take on $32.5 million in salary this year but still remain well under the cap to facilitate other asset centered trades. Ariza expires and Beverley has a team option. They could show the young guys the ropes then be traded to contenders at the trade deadline for assets. This accomplishes what I've heard in the forum. Note Ariza could be replaced with Sam Dekker or signed and traded Troy Williams.

PG De'Aaron Fox/Patrick Beverley/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Trevor Ariza/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Ryan Anderson/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

I'd love to see Fox driving and kicking out to the likes of Buddy, Bogdanovic, Anderson, and others for 3's.

Call me greedy or a homer but I'd also want Houston's 2019 1st (lotto protected). That's a lot of salary to absorb with no compensation.

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But there is compensation...when we flip Beverley and Ariza to playoff teams at the deadline we'd likely be able to obtain a 1st round pick for each. They would probably be in the late 20's because contenders would be pursuing those guys.

Beverley and Ariza really aren't the issue because they're expirings. Like I mentioned we could replaced Ariza with Dekker or Williams for less money but Ariza can net a better pick at deadline. The potential 2 1sts for Beverley and Ariza are the compensation for taking on Anderson's contract and they'd help guide the young guys from training camp up until the deadline.

[sacking123]

I'm just not a fan of gaining those 3 players at all because IMO that's a look to win now move, which make no mistake about it that squad would be better than what we had last season. The reason I don't like it is these guys should get good minutes otherwise they become disgruntled and want a trade or if we buy them out what did we get for letting Houston off the hook?
I can see us going for that trade Petrie suggested, however I'm only happy if it's a move to keep those players and play them, which IMO gets us close to the playoffs and you can argue either way that it's not a good move.


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[City of Trees]

In my opinion we need 3 positions to round out the roster this off season. We need a veteran PG, SF, and PF. The Rockets want Chris Paul and need to clear salary. Vlade could take care of all 3 positional needs and clear the necessary space for the Rockets to sign Paul in 1 trade.

Kings trade: Top 55 protected 2018 pick
Rockets trade: Patrick Beverley, Trevor Ariza, and Ryan Anderson

Kings take on $32.5 million in salary this year but still remain well under the cap to facilitate other asset centered trades. Ariza expires and Beverley has a team option. They could show the young guys the ropes then be traded to contenders at the trade deadline for assets. This accomplishes what I've heard in the forum. Note Ariza could be replaced with Sam Dekker or signed and traded Troy Williams.

PG De'Aaron Fox/Patrick Beverley/Frank Mason
SG Buddy Hield/Bogdan Bogdanovic/Malachi Richardson
SF Trevor Ariza/Garrett Temple/Justin Jackson
PF Ryan Anderson/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles
C Willie Cauley-Stein/Kosta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis

I'd love to see Fox driving and kicking out to the likes of Buddy, Bogdanovic, Anderson, and others for 3's.

Call me greedy or a homer but I'd also want Houston's 2019 1st (lotto protected). That's a lot of salary to absorb with no compensation.

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But there is compensation...when we flip Beverley and Ariza to playoff teams at the deadline we'd likely be able to obtain a 1st round pick for each. They would probably be in the late 20's because contenders would be pursuing those guys.

Beverley and Ariza really aren't the issue because they're expirings. Like I mentioned we could replaced Ariza with Dekker or Williams for less money but Ariza can net a better pick at deadline. The potential 2 1sts for Beverley and Ariza are the compensation for taking on Anderson's contract and they'd help guide the young guys from training camp up until the deadline.

Taking on salary with zero compensation is a bad move because nothing is promised once the trade deadline rolls around. What if Ariza tears a hamstring in January?

Nope. Houston needs to compensate. If Sac wants to double dip near the trade deadline that's fine with me.

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[benchmobbin02]

Call me greedy or a homer but I'd also want Houston's 2019 1st (lotto protected). That's a lot of salary to absorb with no compensation.

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But there is compensation...when we flip Beverley and Ariza to playoff teams at the deadline we'd likely be able to obtain a 1st round pick for each. They would probably be in the late 20's because contenders would be pursuing those guys.

Beverley and Ariza really aren't the issue because they're expirings. Like I mentioned we could replaced Ariza with Dekker or Williams for less money but Ariza can net a better pick at deadline. The potential 2 1sts for Beverley and Ariza are the compensation for taking on Anderson's contract and they'd help guide the young guys from training camp up until the deadline.

Taking on salary with zero compensation is a bad move because nothing is promised once the trade deadline rolls around. What if Ariza tears a hamstring in January?

Nope. Houston needs to compensate. If Sac wants to double dip near the trade deadline that's fine with me.

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Asking a 1st from them is steep IMO. Even lotto protected. Rather just take a 2nd as I see it as realistic.

[City of Trees]

But there is compensation...when we flip Beverley and Ariza to playoff teams at the deadline we'd likely be able to obtain a 1st round pick for each. They would probably be in the late 20's because contenders would be pursuing those guys.

Beverley and Ariza really aren't the issue because they're expirings. Like I mentioned we could replaced Ariza with Dekker or Williams for less money but Ariza can net a better pick at deadline. The potential 2 1sts for Beverley and Ariza are the compensation for taking on Anderson's contract and they'd help guide the young guys from training camp up until the deadline.

Taking on salary with zero compensation is a bad move because nothing is promised once the trade deadline rolls around. What if Ariza tears a hamstring in January?

Nope. Houston needs to compensate. If Sac wants to double dip near the trade deadline that's fine with me.

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Asking a 1st from them is steep IMO. Even lotto protected. Rather just take a 2nd as I see it as realistic.

Sending a 2019 1st (lotto protected) to dump $32M I'm salary so you can sign CP3 is not steep. It's been reported the Lakers where shopping a very minimal protected 1st to dump Mozgov. Houston sending a late 1st is hardly an overpay.

My asking price:
2019 1st
And two 2nds

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