Trade Thread

[heir_jordan22]

Why would Philly want a 35 year old Wade?

Fultz/McConnell
______/Bayless
Simmons/Covington
Saric/
Embiid/Okafor

That team is definitely talented enough to make the playoffs. Especially with Chicago and Atlanta basically tanking. A solid scoring veteran gives them a challenge to steal a round. Wade would definitely help them. And they still have multiple picks.

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Wade doesn't help them enough and wouldn't be worth giving up a 2018 pick to get him.

They might not have a lottery pick of their own. But they should have a top pick from the Boston trade. They have little to lose. They need to hit the cap floor anyway. And of wade has a decent year that could make Philly a more appealing free agent destination next off-season

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[Dan Z]

Fultz/McConnell
______/Bayless
Simmons/Covington
Saric/
Embiid/Okafor

That team is definitely talented enough to make the playoffs. Especially with Chicago and Atlanta basically tanking. A solid scoring veteran gives them a challenge to steal a round. Wade would definitely help them. And they still have multiple picks.

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Wade doesn't help them enough and wouldn't be worth giving up a 2018 pick to get him.

They might not have a lottery pick of their own. But they should have a top pick from the Boston trade. They have little to lose. They need to hit the cap floor anyway. And of wade has a decent year that could make Philly a more appealing free agent destination next off-season

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They have no pick from the Boston trade (other than the no 1 pick they just used) and if they need to hit the salary floor they can do better than this. Wade would be a rental at best and isn't going to put them over the top. If you think it's a good trade post it on the trade board and see what replies you get.

Having said that I like the idea of trading Wade for an asset. The Bulls could use as many of those as they can get going forward.

[heir_jordan22]

Wade doesn't help them enough and wouldn't be worth giving up a 2018 pick to get him.

They might not have a lottery pick of their own. But they should have a top pick from the Boston trade. They have little to lose. They need to hit the cap floor anyway. And of wade has a decent year that could make Philly a more appealing free agent destination next off-season

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They have no pick from the Boston trade (other than the no 1 pick they just used) and if they need to hit the salary floor they can do better than this. Wade would be a rental at best and isn't going to put them over the top. If you think it's a good trade post it on the trade board and see what replies you get.

Having said that I like the idea of trading Wade for an asset. The Bulls could use as many of those as they can get going forward.

I think the other options would be Lakers or Grizzlies. But the Lakers would need to give us Deng who has 3 more years at 18M

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[Dan Z]

They might not have a lottery pick of their own. But they should have a top pick from the Boston trade. They have little to lose. They need to hit the cap floor anyway. And of wade has a decent year that could make Philly a more appealing free agent destination next off-season

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They have no pick from the Boston trade (other than the no 1 pick they just used) and if they need to hit the salary floor they can do better than this. Wade would be a rental at best and isn't going to put them over the top. If you think it's a good trade post it on the trade board and see what replies you get.

Having said that I like the idea of trading Wade for an asset. The Bulls could use as many of those as they can get going forward.

I think the other options would be Lakers or Grizzlies. But the Lakers would need to give us Deng who has 3 more years at 18M

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New Orleans has been mentioned too, but I'm not sure if I really want Solomon Hill's contract (yikes!).

[heir_jordan22]

They have no pick from the Boston trade (other than the no 1 pick they just used) and if they need to hit the salary floor they can do better than this. Wade would be a rental at best and isn't going to put them over the top. If you think it's a good trade post it on the trade board and see what replies you get.

Having said that I like the idea of trading Wade for an asset. The Bulls could use as many of those as they can get going forward.

I think the other options would be Lakers or Grizzlies. But the Lakers would need to give us Deng who has 3 more years at 18M

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New Orleans has been mentioned too, but I'm not sure if I really want Solomon Hill's contract (yikes!).

They have a ton of moving parts but if they keep Holiday they could ask about Wade. But Hill and Asik in combine for 20M for three more seasons. That's terrible. We'd need a good young player and a good pick in return for taking that. And they don't have any good young players to give

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[WYO]

I think the other options would be Lakers or Grizzlies. But the Lakers would need to give us Deng who has 3 more years at 18M

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New Orleans has been mentioned too, but I'm not sure if I really want Solomon Hill's contract (yikes!).

They have a ton of moving parts but if they keep Holiday they could ask about Wade. But Hill and Asik in combine for 20M for three more seasons. That's terrible. We'd need a good young player and a good pick in return for taking that. And they don't have any good young players to give

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If I were the GM for the Pelicans, I would put a lot of effort into landing Wade's expiring for Hill and Asik. Getting their long term contracts off the books would be my first step toward luring LeBron to New Orleans next off-season. Lebron, Davis, and Cousins would be a great group to compete with the Warriors.

[patryk7754]

Im just worried about Porzingis. It is unprecidented that a player so young and talented is available. I browsed through Phil's book, and he put up with some insane immature behavior from Shaq and Kobe. If he can't handle Porzingis, that is an immature and out of control dude.

You're reading way too much into it. Just because a bunch of dumbasses on ESPN say he's on the block for missing an exit meeting doesn't really make it true.

When you're asking for what equals two top five picks plus legit role players, your player isn't really available. Some probably called Phil and asked about Porzingis and Phil made it clear that he wants at least two stars for his one. He wasn't available

[Chi town]

I see no way GarPax or JR trade Wade for Hill and Asik.

It kills their "flexibility".

[BullsFTW]

I'd trade Grant for Stanley Johnson. He can be our SF.

Maybe Bobby Portis for Stanley Johnson

[RastaBull]

Can Lakers trade their 2019 1st? I was trying to decipher their pick status and it was a little confusing: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Lakers.htm

Their 2018 pick is already gone (unprotected from the Lakers perspective) ... it will either be Philly or Boston selecting.

Then they traded a 1st to Orlando. But it specifically says that pick and only be relayed to Orlando 2 YEARS AFTER the pick is relayed the Philly/Bos are getting. It also says something about how that pick to Orlando becomes a 2017 and 2018 2nd instead??


If they can trade their 2019... Would you (or Lakers) say no to Deng+2019 1st for Wade
(obviously this is all moot if Lakers can't trade that 1st)

Lakers relieve themselves of another big salary for 2018 summer. Pushes Ingram into starting spot, let's the young guys run (Randle/Ingram/Ball). Wade could be a good model for what Ball's development. SG is also the one spot currently Lakers don't really have filled in (this would allow Clarkson to stay as the leader on second unit). Gabrielle Union stated I believe she prefers to be in LA. And Wade's presence could better serve to get LeBron the next summer (assuming they resign Wade to a deal that allows them to also grab another star + Lebron)

Bulls bring back a good clubhouse guy in Deng. He fills minutes at the one giant gapping hole we have at SF. We move Wade out of way so more minutes for Lavine. Deng is a High IQ vet with great defensive understanding. Even if we move to compete while Deng's salary is still on (somehow landing another star and/or top draft picks turn out), he could be a solid second unit wing...granted he'd have to get some sembalance of the Miami Deng just a year ago that had 112/105 off/def rating and averaged 13/7 Per36 (maybe he just can't though, he's hit that age and years in league where maybe it is a huge drop off).

Problem is that contract runs deep...3 more years at 18 mil ... and we'll likely have Lavine around 20 mil, so not much room to play with FA the next two summers ... BUT, I do like the way it would balance out the team in the immediate year.

The other downside is the value of the pick. To have another pick in what is expected to be another top heavy superb draft in 2019 sounds great. If we don't land in top 5 or something else, two picks regardless where they are can help us move up a couple spots at least (look at how Portland used there two mid / 20s picks to get into lotto). HOWEVER, if Lakers really are going for James or George in 2018, then there's a chance they could be a very good regular season team in 2018, dropping that 2019 pick pretty low in the first round. ... My gut is thinking that chance doesn't quite make it as worth it to take on Deng's contract ... and hopefully we could find something else better with Wade?

[Dan Z]

I'd trade Grant for Stanley Johnson. He can be our SF.

Maybe Bobby Portis for Stanley Johnson

That's an interesting idea. Would Detroit do it? Portis has shown more in the NBA, but there's a reason why Johnson was drafted 8th overall.

[Chi town]

I'd trade Grant for Stanley Johnson. He can be our SF.

Maybe Bobby Portis for Stanley Johnson

I'd do that solely because of fit for the modern NBA. Portis is a dying breed... can't play C or defend PnR and Johnson who is the perfect hybrid 3/4 ala Draymond... kid just can't shoot yet.

[MC3]

Grant for Hezonja? Would Magic do it? We could try trade for wing which didnt pan out. Stanley or Hezonja seems to be good available options.

[RastaBull]

What about Phoenix.

They own Miami's 1st round in 2018 (top 7 protected). And they have a couple of really promising young pieces (Booker/Chriss/and Jackson now). They might be looking and ready for a big splash next summer.

They have a couple contracts they could be anxious to move including Brandon Knight, Chandler, Bledsoe.

With the move for Dunn, I'm not sure Bledsoe is the one we'd want to take on (plus he's good enough it won't be looking at so much as taking on a bad contract).

But between Knight and Chandler maybe we can take one of them and get a 1st? What do you think? Or take both of them for Wade? Wade's kinda useless to their team, but it frees up cash.

Maybe Knight and pick for Rondo?

That Miami 2018 pick sure would be sweet, and we could wait and see what Miami does early in FA ... maybe they'll make an aggressive move and look to be solid playoff team (in which case Phoenix might be willing to unload the Miami pick while keeping their own pick just to get rid of Knight).

[Big Pippen]

I think our biggest enemy here is thinking we can rush back in to contention. I don't want this club to make any Eddie Robinson type trades or signings. Im cool with a Brad Miller type aquisition. The litmus test is, are we bringing in a guy that can play meaningful minutes on a playoff team?

Wade needs to be bought out, because he will pout and act like a victim if kept around.

Robdo actually has value as a cap dump, and IF the Bulls can trade him for a decent player they deserve credit for the way they structured that contract.

I hope Rolo stays, you can't have scrubs at every position if you are developing young players.

Hinkie had his shortcomings, but was phenominal at getting in on deals, and aquiring draft picks, and using salary cap and trades in non conventional ways. That is the game Paxson needs to be playing now.

[rtblues]

I think Stanley Johnson is another guy in the Dunn category. High pick hasn't showed that much yet, but the eye test looks good.
I remember him doing an "okay" job guarding Lebron a couple of years ago in the playoffs. Oh, and I did say an okay job guarding, not stopping Lebron Not sure why he hasn't developed faster. Perhaps issues with SVG, who knows. But, he's a pretty tough kid, and would do it for Portis.

[Onibuh]

I wouldn't trade and cut everybody as soon as I can. I'd hold on to Rondo and RoLo for the first half of the Season. If they Show their A game and the Young guys find a way to develop or work in the NBA than you have that same Situation as you had last year - one and done. Only difference: this time it would be with your future (hopefully) Building Blocks.

If everything goes as expected, you flip them at the TD to teams desperate of help for depth or due to injury. Could end up with a Top 5 pick (own 1st) and add about 2 more in the 15-30 range

[qianlong]

An interesting trading partner is orlando. They are kind of without direction at the moment but with a lot of pieces.
Biyombo overpaid defensive center. He could be a good fit with Markkanen, and we could extract some value like one of their multiple young and not brilliant players or a future pick.

Ross, Fournier or Hezonja are other players of interest.

[sco]

Can Lakers trade their 2019 1st? I was trying to decipher their pick status and it was a little confusing: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Lakers.htm

Their 2018 pick is already gone (unprotected from the Lakers perspective) ... it will either be Philly or Boston selecting.

Then they traded a 1st to Orlando. But it specifically says that pick and only be relayed to Orlando 2 YEARS AFTER the pick is relayed the Philly/Bos are getting. It also says something about how that pick to Orlando becomes a 2017 and 2018 2nd instead??


If they can trade their 2019... Would you (or Lakers) say no to Deng+2019 1st for Wade
(obviously this is all moot if Lakers can't trade that 1st)

Lakers relieve themselves of another big salary for 2018 summer. Pushes Ingram into starting spot, let's the young guys run (Randle/Ingram/Ball). Wade could be a good model for what Ball's development. SG is also the one spot currently Lakers don't really have filled in (this would allow Clarkson to stay as the leader on second unit). Gabrielle Union stated I believe she prefers to be in LA. And Wade's presence could better serve to get LeBron the next summer (assuming they resign Wade to a deal that allows them to also grab another star + Lebron)

Bulls bring back a good clubhouse guy in Deng. He fills minutes at the one giant gapping hole we have at SF. We move Wade out of way so more minutes for Lavine. Deng is a High IQ vet with great defensive understanding. Even if we move to compete while Deng's salary is still on (somehow landing another star and/or top draft picks turn out), he could be a solid second unit wing...granted he'd have to get some sembalance of the Miami Deng just a year ago that had 112/105 off/def rating and averaged 13/7 Per36 (maybe he just can't though, he's hit that age and years in league where maybe it is a huge drop off).

Problem is that contract runs deep...3 more years at 18 mil ... and we'll likely have Lavine around 20 mil, so not much room to play with FA the next two summers ... BUT, I do like the way it would balance out the team in the immediate year.

The other downside is the value of the pick. To have another pick in what is expected to be another top heavy superb draft in 2019 sounds great. If we don't land in top 5 or something else, two picks regardless where they are can help us move up a couple spots at least (look at how Portland used there two mid / 20s picks to get into lotto). HOWEVER, if Lakers really are going for James or George in 2018, then there's a chance they could be a very good regular season team in 2018, dropping that 2019 pick pretty low in the first round. ... My gut is thinking that chance doesn't quite make it as worth it to take on Deng's contract ... and hopefully we could find something else better with Wade?

My point is that we are not going to need "good" FA's for next 2-3 years - we want to get the best possible picks for at least the next 2 years. Good FA's get in the way of that. We need to start by finding our next foundational player (top 5 NBA guy). Building ahead of that only slows down process of finding him.

Deng may be one of the best leaders in the NBA. So while we suck, at least our guys learn how to prepare the right way.

[RastaBull]

Can Lakers trade their 2019 1st? I was trying to decipher their pick status and it was a little confusing: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Lakers.htm

Their 2018 pick is already gone (unprotected from the Lakers perspective) ... it will either be Philly or Boston selecting.

Then they traded a 1st to Orlando. But it specifically says that pick and only be relayed to Orlando 2 YEARS AFTER the pick is relayed the Philly/Bos are getting. It also says something about how that pick to Orlando becomes a 2017 and 2018 2nd instead??


If they can trade their 2019... Would you (or Lakers) say no to Deng+2019 1st for Wade
(obviously this is all moot if Lakers can't trade that 1st)

Lakers relieve themselves of another big salary for 2018 summer. Pushes Ingram into starting spot, let's the young guys run (Randle/Ingram/Ball). Wade could be a good model for what Ball's development. SG is also the one spot currently Lakers don't really have filled in (this would allow Clarkson to stay as the leader on second unit). Gabrielle Union stated I believe she prefers to be in LA. And Wade's presence could better serve to get LeBron the next summer (assuming they resign Wade to a deal that allows them to also grab another star + Lebron)

Bulls bring back a good clubhouse guy in Deng. He fills minutes at the one giant gapping hole we have at SF. We move Wade out of way so more minutes for Lavine. Deng is a High IQ vet with great defensive understanding. Even if we move to compete while Deng's salary is still on (somehow landing another star and/or top draft picks turn out), he could be a solid second unit wing...granted he'd have to get some sembalance of the Miami Deng just a year ago that had 112/105 off/def rating and averaged 13/7 Per36 (maybe he just can't though, he's hit that age and years in league where maybe it is a huge drop off).

Problem is that contract runs deep...3 more years at 18 mil ... and we'll likely have Lavine around 20 mil, so not much room to play with FA the next two summers ... BUT, I do like the way it would balance out the team in the immediate year.

The other downside is the value of the pick. To have another pick in what is expected to be another top heavy superb draft in 2019 sounds great. If we don't land in top 5 or something else, two picks regardless where they are can help us move up a couple spots at least (look at how Portland used there two mid / 20s picks to get into lotto). HOWEVER, if Lakers really are going for James or George in 2018, then there's a chance they could be a very good regular season team in 2018, dropping that 2019 pick pretty low in the first round. ... My gut is thinking that chance doesn't quite make it as worth it to take on Deng's contract ... and hopefully we could find something else better with Wade?

My point is that we are not going to need "good" FA's for next 2-3 years - we want to get the best possible picks for at least the next 2 years. Good FA's get in the way of that. We need to start by finding our next foundational player (top 5 NBA guy). Building ahead of that only slows down process of finding him.

Deng may be one of the best leaders in the NBA. So while we suck, at least our guys learn how to prepare the right way.

So you would say yes to that sort of trade with Lakers. Cuz I would agree too and feel the same way you do about big contracts running 2-3 years. No gi deal if we get a great picj.

Perhaps the bigger fear is that the Lakers pick could end up being a very late 1st if the in fact sing Lebron, George, or Westbrook

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