What to do with the Sixers 49 million in cap space

[GeorgeMarcus]

Otto Porter. We could use his skill set, even if it takes the max. Wall is trying to recruit PG so who knows if the Wiz match

[marcush]

FEDS nickname is not good.

Front load Covington's extension.

Redick makes the most sense as long as the length of contract can be reasonable and probably would be best to front load that contract also.

And of course, get rid of Okafor. Id be happy with just a cap dump.

[GutUNC]

Kyle Lowry. Why not go for him, yeah you have Fultz but if you get Lowry you go up to another level. He's from Philly and seemingly wants to be there. Imagine what a lineup they would have with him there.

Because he's 31 and not worth the price someone's going to pay him.

He's probably the 2nd best P.G available though. Also you need some vets at least around that locker room to provide a presence.

I don't need to spend max/near max money to add veteran presence. Instead of overpaying a player in his 30s, I'd much rather let the kids play and find out what you really need especially considering all 3 have combined for 31 NBA games.


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[Smitty731]

Throw a ton of money at Redick or KCP.

Also, FEDS is horrible. Really, really bad.

Convince me Redick is better than Jrue as a target. Or that Detroit lets KCP walk overmoney, and that he is really worth that much money?

Fultz and Simmons both need the ball the be effective. They don't need a PG who also needs the ball to be effective. Plus, Fultz isn't really a SG and should be at the point right away. That backcourt could work, but you still have the issue of all of those guys needing the ball and not being overly effective off the ball.

Redick fits as the shooter they need to open the floor and he's a solid veteran to help shepherd along the rest of the rebuild.

KCP probably gets matched by Detroit, as they have no way to replace him if he leaves. But why not at least make it difficult on them? And if they don't match, Philly gets a good two-way guard that can grow with the rest of their core.

[Kilo]

If Phila really wants KCP I think the better route would be to work with the Pistons to do a S&T, to ensure they don't match the offer - which they would. It could be a player or pick and a huge TPE the Pistons could then use themselves.

If you try to poach him with a huge offer either you're maxing him out and might get him ridiculously overpriced, or Detroit matches and you don't get him.

Detroit needs to shake things up so they might be open to trading him, but cannot afford to let him walk for nothing since they're capped out, probably in Lux tax even to start the season. Letting him walk means a SG rotation of Bullock(RFA), Kennard and Hilliard.

[jpengland]

Offer a pick for Patrick Beverley
Sign JJ Redick to 2/45

Both expire by the time you need the cap space.

Look for a veteran big body on a minimum deal.

Let Korkmaz stay in Europe one more year.

Fultz/Beverley/McConnell
Redick/TLC/Staukas
Covington/Anderson
Simmons/Saric
Embiid/Holmes/Okafor

[BlazersBroncos]

I really don't think KCP or Otto would be worth the MAX deals they will command. KCP specifically is just tremendously overrated.

He is older, but Joe Ingles would be a much better, less costly option. Try for a 3 year, 36-40M contract with him. Reddick will cost a lot, but likely could be had for a shorter contract.

They DEFINATLEY should front load the hell out of a Covington extension. Give him like 25M this year. A combination of Ingles and Covington at SG/SF gives you two ideal role-players to have alongside the likely high usage big 3. Trade Okafor and Stauskas for a pick, IMO you could get a top 20 protected R1 for that duo. Deal TJ and a R2 for Beverly.

PG - Markell Fultz (30) / Patrick Beverly (18)
SG - Robert Covington (29) / Furkan Korkmaz (15)
SF - Joe Ingles (24) / Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot (20)
PF - Ben Simmons (30) / Dario Saric (28)
C - Joel Embiid (26) / Richaun Holmes (20)

MIN TOTAL - 240

[Mykhyn]

Throw a ton of money at Redick or KCP.

Also, FEDS is horrible. Really, really bad.

Convince me Redick is better than Jrue as a target. Or that Detroit lets KCP walk overmoney, and that he is really worth that much money?

I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Pistons let KCP walk.

He's about to be very expensive, they just drafted a SG with their lotto pick, and they clearly dont think their team is good enough with them shopping Jackson and Drummond lately. Is KCP worth that much money? No probably not. But if they want to get him it'll likely cost that much.



Redick could dual purpose. He's an intelligent well spoken vet and fits the team very well skill set wise.


Jrue has constant injury problems. They already have enough injury prone players to worry about and he shot 8% worse from 3 point land than Redick last year(14% the year before). 8-14% makes a huge difference in spacing which would be a better fit with Simmons and Fultz

[shawn_hemp]

I'd rather sign a PG and just have Fultz play SG tbh

Joe Ingles would make our bench sick

PG TJ McConnell / Jerryd Bayless

SG TLC

SF Joe Ingles

PF Dario Saric

C Richaun Holmes

stacked bench

playoffs

I don't get the "need the ball to be effective" bit about Fultz either. One of his strengths is supposed to be offensive versatility. I think him and Simmons will figure it out as they go. You can never have too many people who can handle the ball

There is a difference between being able to handle the ball and needing to handle the ball to be truly effective

You could argue Simmons is in the latter group, but not Fultz IMO

[HartfordWhalers]

Throw a ton of money at Redick or KCP.

Also, FEDS is horrible. Really, really bad.

Convince me Redick is better than Jrue as a target. Or that Detroit lets KCP walk overmoney, and that he is really worth that much money?

Fultz and Simmons both need the ball the be effective. They don't need a PG who also needs the ball to be effective. Plus, Fultz isn't really a SG and should be at the point right away. That backcourt could work, but you still have the issue of all of those guys needing the ball and not being overly effective off the ball.

Redick fits as the shooter they need to open the floor and he's a solid veteran to help shepherd along the rest of the rebuild.

KCP probably gets matched by Detroit, as they have no way to replace him if he leaves. But why not at least make it difficult on them? And if they don't match, Philly gets a good two-way guard that can grow with the rest of their core.

I see a lot of reasons to still prefer Jrue.
Fultz
Jrue
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

Jrue at sg will be the much better defender than Redick. And can match up more traditionally against pg's allowing Fultz on sg's if the pg is a bigger problem.

So, defensively it is a clear cut win for Jrue.

Offensively, you clearly lose a lot going from Redick's 42% 3 point shooting to Jrue's 36%. Thats undeniable. But Jrue's shooting is good enough that him taking those looks that will be open are still good shots and good possessions. And while you are right that you don't need Jrue's playmaking, I still think there would be value in having an extra guy who can create. Particularly when Fultz/Simmons are resting, as the entire lineup has just those guys (and Embiid) who generate offense for others. I think offensively it isn't clear Redick is better.

And most important of all, who cares about this year? What will matter is '18-19, 19-20, and 20-21. The last two in particular. Redick would open spacing for the guys now, but I would much rather be counting on a 29 year old Jrue in 2 years than a 35(!) year old Redick. Even if Redick wins the short run comparison, he loses the long run one significantly. And the team needs to not lose focus of the true goal.

As for KCP, I see a guy who is a career 33% 3 point shooter with a 51% TS% all on low usage and don't get any of the fuss. He is bad offensively, it isn't a question. And he wouldn't provide adequate spacing (I'm not buying his one year 3 point shooting bump any more than I am buying the corresponding dip elsewhere which kept his efficiency at Inefficient level). Doesn't really rebound or assist much.

And lets talk about his defense.
RPM hates him on that end:
63rd among SG's with a -1.31 DRPM.

Straight on offs obviously do:
On Court Def rating: 107.7
Off Court Def rating: 100.9
http://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612765&VsPlayerID=203484

Player tracking has him negative also:
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203484/defense-dash/

The only area he is positive is 3 point defense -- an area known to be susceptible to a significant amount of natural variance.
(Last year was slightly positive, the year before even more negative; so at best case player tracking can be found to find him somewhat neutral.)

So, we have an at best so so defender, inefficient offensive player on low usage, and a (near) max contract? Sounds a lot like a negative contract which I have zero interest in. Although the age does match the core, and hopefully he can grow into it some. But not remotely enough to be worth it to me.

I'm going to go ahead and say it. I'm pretty sure I would take Crabbe on his current contract than KCP on whatever his next contract is.

[The Rebel]

Ingles is likely to be matched by the Jazz unless someone clearly overpays him and they lose Hayward. If they keep Hayward they will have to bring back Ingles as they will not have the cap room to replace him and get a starting quality PG. If they lose Hayward than they will need him at SF desperately.

[Jadoogar]

It's very rare that restricted free agents leave their teams so i wouldn't think about Porter or KCP. They have enough young players and could use a veteran in the starting lineup now.

I think they should target someone like George Hill, Pat Beverly or JJ Reddick. These guys will be relatively cheap don't need the ball in their hands. They could also use some backup bigs, like a patrick patterson type.

[Karate Diop]

They should get Reddick and then call themselves FREDS.

Sick nickname bro. Totally deserved and awe inspiring and intimidating.

[Goldbum]

I think Crabbe would be a better get for Philly than JJ. If he waives his trade kicker it's a perfect fit.

[sixerswillrule]

I see a lot of reasons to still prefer Jrue.
Fultz
Jrue
Covington
Simmons
Embiid

Jrue at sg will be the much better defender than Redick. And can match up more traditionally against pg's allowing Fultz on sg's if the pg is a bigger problem.

I'm not crazy about adding someone like Jrue because his best attribute is playmaking, which would be greatly diminished when you already have Simmons and Fultz who are (or should be) handling the ball almost all of the time. He'd basically play the Patrick Beverly role and would need to almost double his career 3PA rate. That has been trending upwards, though.

^Not a Jrue vs. Redick comment, just a general comment.

[ckchen]

I think Crabbe would be a better get for Philly than JJ. If he waives his trade kicker it's a perfect fit.

Sure, if Portland throws in an unprotected first rounder and a pick swap to offset his contract, it's definitely a perfect fit.

[BlazersBroncos]

Sure, if Portland throws in an unprotected first rounder and a pick swap to offset his contract, it's definitely a perfect fit.

lol. Sure dude.

Your insinuating that KCP at the MAX is equal value to Crabble at 19M + R1 unprotected + R1 pick-swap.

I think its pretty nuts to think KCP and Crabbe don't have similar ceilings and usages long term to Philadelphia, and one would cost significantally less.

Its moot though, PDX wont deal Crabbe without getting value, much less adding value to dump him. Paul Allen is putting the salary issue off a year.

[ckchen]

Sure, if Portland throws in an unprotected first rounder and a pick swap to offset his contract, it's definitely a perfect fit.

lol. Sure dude.

Your insinuating that KCP at the MAX is equal value to Crabble at 19M + R1 unprotected + R1 pick-swap.

I think its pretty nuts to think KCP and Crabbe don't have similar ceilings and usages long term to Philadelphia, and one would cost significantally less.

Its moot though, PDX wont deal Crabbe without getting value, much less adding value to dump him. Paul Allen is putting the salary issue off a year.

I'll admit that I added in the pick swap for lols - but I don't think Crabbe gets moved without adding at least a 1st round pick to move him. At least not this year. The closer it gets to expiring, maybe, but until then, no one wants that contract.

I'm not insinuating anything about KCP. I've never been an advocate of KCP or the idea that he's worth even close to the max. Not sure where that came from. That said, I think it's a little biased to assume that Crabbe has as high of a ceiling than KCP - but that's neither here nor there, since I wouldn't want either of them on the Sixers at those contracts.

I will say this - I find it LAUGHABLE that people keep bringing up the idea that Crabbe would somehow waive his trade kicker in ANY scenario. Short of a highly illegal "I'll give you $9M under the table" deal - what sane person would turn down a free $8.5M? What sane agent would let his client do that? No guarantees of "an increased role" or whatever would ever convince an NBA player and his reps to just be like, oh that 15% you owe me if you trade me? Yeah, forget that. I don't need $8.5M. You keep it. It'll never happen.

[jayjaysee]

No Feds..Any acronym for the Sixers should have an H in it.

But I'm taking on a bad contract for a 2020 or 2021 pick and extending Roco. That's my offseason. And if I can get value for Jah, he's gone.

I would honestly call Portland and touch base on a Bayless/Crabbe swap though.. I wouldn't add value, just offer to save Allen 10+ to 20+mil a year (pending taxes.)


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[Wizop]

pick up enough warm bodies on one year deals to get to the minimum payroll.