2017 Hawks Offseason Thread

[kg01]

I'd really like Jae Crowder at the right price. Preferably meaning I'd not want to give up any of our first picks next year...definitely not our own pick or Minnesota's pick...maybe Muscala+the 2018 Rockets pick???

Also would love to get my hand on Willie Reed. Not sure how the market is for him but I'd be willing to do a 3 year 27-33 million for him.

I'm with you on Reed. On Crowdah, why would we have to give up any 1sts? BOS is kinda in a pickle here aren't they? Somebody's gotta be gone in order for them to sign Hayward IIUC.

Also, considering they'll likely not be able to pay Schmart, any interest in that guy? I like him from an attitude standpoint.

[jayu70]

I'd really like Jae Crowder at the right price. Preferably meaning I'd not want to give up any of our first picks next year...definitely not our own pick or Minnesota's pick...maybe Muscala+the 2018 Rockets pick???

Also would love to get my hand on Willie Reed. Not sure how the market is for him but I'd be willing to do a 3 year 27-33 million for him.

I'm with you on Reed. On Crowdah, why would we have to give up any 1sts? BOS is kinda in a pickle here aren't they? Somebody's gotta be gone in order for them to sign Hayward IIUC.

Also, considering they'll likely not be able to pay Schmart, any interest in that guy? I like him from an attitude standpoint.

Exactly, Boston HAS to move some players to fit Hayward. They have no leverage there. I'm not giving Boston any more firsts. I also want nothing from Boston but Crowder and that's only because he's at a great price for a number of years. Smart is due an extension next season and is a RFA.

[macd-gm]

I'd love to have Crowder. I'd feel much better about losing Sap. But someone will give them a 1st for him. I'd definitely send that Rockets 1st. I mean is that player going to end up being better than Crowder? Unlikely.

I know he's kind of douchey but I'd take Olynk too. Olynk and Reed gives us solid bigs.

Guess i'd forgotten that Crowder is a local guy. Can he play the 2 though? Or do we just start Crowder and bring Prince off the bench?

[tbhawksfan1]

I would love to help BOS out with their salary problem. Crowder/Smart/Bradley, they have value to keep or swing at the deadline. JC can still play a nice 6th man scorer for a PO team. Hawks take salary, don't give picks

[kg01]

I'd love to have Crowder. I'd feel much better about losing Sap. But someone will give them a 1st for him. I'd definitely send that Rockets 1st. I mean is that player going to end up being better than Crowder? Unlikely.

I know he's kind of douchey but I'd take Olynk too. Olynk and Reed gives us solid bigs.

Guess i'd forgotten that Crowder is a local guy. Can he play the 2 though? Or do we just start Crowder and bring Prince off the bench?

Crowdah is more a 3/4 than a 2/3 IMHO so there is some overlap between he and Printz.

I hear you w.r.t. many teams being willing to give a 1, however, are there that many teams that can absorb the salary at this point in the game? I honestly don't know. BOS has no leverage here. Don't let 'em off the hook, Schlenkenstein.

[jayu70]

I would love to help BOS out with their salary problem. Crowder/Smart/Bradley, they have value to keep or swing at the deadline. JC can still play a nice 6th man scorer for a PO team. Hawks take salary, don't give picks

I don't mind being the team that's the bank to facilitate a trade with a 3rd team that gives us a pick.
I agree, I don't want us sending out picks.

I'm really confused by the direction if we get guys like Crowder, Olynyk etc - with how horrible the East is, we might still make the playoffs. I know Schlenk says he wants us competitive, but how competitive?

Do we want to make the playoffs? Or no.

Fun times ahead

[tbhawksfan1]

I think the most important thing is to bring in upside assets. If we can get a good deal on a quality player (to keep or trade), it improves assets and facilitates future moves. #8 or #9 seed makes or breaks the POs, but means almost nothing in terms of talent acquisiton/rebuild.

The problem is when fringe PO teams start to mortgage the future to prop up futile PO hopes. I think Schlenk will prioritize asset acquisition over fringe PO hope for a good while.

[jayu70]

I guess when the roster is set, I'll know more.

[MaceCase]

GMs: "So, Danny. You got your man."

DA:"Why, thank you. Hard work pays off."

GMs: "Yes, yes. But you have to part with an asset to facilitate it."

DA: "Give me an unprotected 1st and a pick swap and he's yours."

GMs: "No, Danny. You'll have to come down off your price otherwise you can't sign Hayward."

GMs: "Danny? Danny....are you there?"

DA:

[tbhawksfan1]

Crazy offseason sor far. Some real big contracts and dwindling cap space is going to leave some decent youg development guys for Schlenk to snatch on decent deals

[Jamaaliver]

We do not need any kind of center.
We need a center that can play into our system.

If we sign a center who is able of just blocking, rebounding, but is unable to shoot, pass and move without the ball, then we would be attacking with 4 guys, which equals disaster in our system.

2015

I don't think our offense (which was effectively shut down against CLE in the playoffs) would completely fall apart because we had a single player who was limited on offense. If anything, the extra spacing our shooters provide could open up the middle of the floor for a real Center capable of owning the paint on offense.

2015


After seeing Dwight Howard flail in our system for a season, I owe you an apology, friend. You nailed this years ago.

Our system is very specific in the type of players it needs to function correctly.

You called this and deserve all the credit in the world.

[Jamaaliver]

I'd really like Jae Crowder at the right price. Preferably meaning I'd not want to give up any of our first picks next year...definitely not our own pick or Minnesota's pick...maybe Muscala+the 2018 Rockets pick???

Agreed. I do think that if we work heavily to improve his shooting/passing and inflate his stats in our system, we could likely move him for a more attractive piece down the line. That potential trade value a year from now makes him worth a protected pick IMO.

Or is Jae Crowder to old to attend 'Hawks University'?


NOTE: I'm still confused why Ainge would dump Crowder on that amazing contract and not Avery Bradley who is an expiring at the same salary and can be more easily replaced by Smart/Rozier.

I'm with you on Reed. On Crowdah, why would we have to give up any 1sts? BOS is kinda in a pickle here aren't they? Somebody's gotta be gone in order for them to sign Hayward IIUC.

Also, considering they'll likely not be able to pay Schmart, any interest in that guy? I like him from an attitude standpoint.

I think it's that multiple teams are seeking this player and anyone would be underpaying for him. If SAS decides he'd do well next to Kawhi, what's to stop them from sending a late 1st rounder?

Or putting a bigger package together featuring LMA for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart.

That's a trade that helps both teams and gets BOS closer to their salary shedding goal.

[Jamaaliver]

GMs: "So, Danny. You got your man."

GMs: "Danny? Danny....are you there?"

All hostilities aside...this is good stuff. Too good to waste on the 14 Hawks fans on this forum.

I insist you re-post this on both the Celtics Board as well as the General Board and bathe in the dozens of And-1s this clearly deserves.

[kg01]

I'd really like Jae Crowder at the right price. Preferably meaning I'd not want to give up any of our first picks next year...definitely not our own pick or Minnesota's pick...maybe Muscala+the 2018 Rockets pick???

Agreed. I do think that if we work heavily to improve his shooting/passing and inflate his stats in our system, we could likely move him for a more attractive piece down the line. That potential trade value a year from now makes him worth a protected pick IMO.

Or is Jae Crowder to old to attend 'Hawks University'?


NOTE: I'm still confused why Ainge would dump Crowder on that amazing contract and not Avery Bradley who is an expiring at the same salary and can be more easily replaced by Smart/Rozier.

I'm with you on Reed. On Crowdah, why would we have to give up any 1sts? BOS is kinda in a pickle here aren't they? Somebody's gotta be gone in order for them to sign Hayward IIUC.

Also, considering they'll likely not be able to pay Schmart, any interest in that guy? I like him from an attitude standpoint.

I think it's that multiple teams are seeking this player and anyone would be underpaying for him. If SAS decides he'd do well next to Kawhi, what's to stop them from sending a late 1st rounder?

Or putting a bigger package together featuring LMA for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart.

That's a trade that helps both teams and gets BOS closer to their salary shedding goal.

On the Crowder v Bradley thing, I imagine the Seeees backcourt needs to offset Thomas' craptastic defense with a superb defender like Bradley. Plus, with the comments Crowder made after their fans gave Hayward all that love this past season, they probably expect some lockerroom issues if he stays.

I hear what you're saying on the trade market for Crowder. Still, I play hardball and would be just fine if they pass.

[jayu70]

I'd really like Jae Crowder at the right price. Preferably meaning I'd not want to give up any of our first picks next year...definitely not our own pick or Minnesota's pick...maybe Muscala+the 2018 Rockets pick???

Agreed. I do think that if we work heavily to improve his shooting/passing and inflate his stats in our system, we could likely move him for a more attractive piece down the line. That potential trade value a year from now makes him worth a protected pick IMO.

Or is Jae Crowder to old to attend 'Hawks University'?


NOTE: I'm still confused why Ainge would dump Crowder on that amazing contract and not Avery Bradley who is an expiring at the same salary and can be more easily replaced by Smart/Rozier.

I'm with you on Reed. On Crowdah, why would we have to give up any 1sts? BOS is kinda in a pickle here aren't they? Somebody's gotta be gone in order for them to sign Hayward IIUC.

Also, considering they'll likely not be able to pay Schmart, any interest in that guy? I like him from an attitude standpoint.

I think it's that multiple teams are seeking this player and anyone would be underpaying for him. If SAS decides he'd do well next to Kawhi, what's to stop them from sending a late 1st rounder?

Or putting a bigger package together featuring LMA for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart.

That's a trade that helps both teams and gets BOS closer to their salary shedding goal.

Crowder is not tool old - think he is a year younger than DMC was. Look at Sap also - he got better late in his career here.
I don't know if Danny wants to dump him, it may be teams are asking for him more because of contract since Smart and Bradley are due for extensions next season.

[Spud2nique]

I'd love to have Crowder. I'd feel much better about losing Sap. But someone will give them a 1st for him. I'd definitely send that Rockets 1st. I mean is that player going to end up being better than Crowder? Unlikely.

I know he's kind of douchey but I'd take Olynk too. Olynk and Reed gives us solid bigs.

Guess i'd forgotten that Crowder is a local guy. Can he play the 2 though? Or do we just start Crowder and bring Prince off the bench?

I would start Crowder at the 3 and Prince at the 4. They are both starters for sure. Can't keep either on the pine.

Oh man imagine a defense featuring Prince, Crowder and Dennis, wouldn't be a bad perimeter defensive squad AT ALL.

[tbhawksfan1]

Maybe Schlenk should just sit back with his cap space and let capsized reams come begging. Most teams are already strapped and there's still a lot of sighing to do.

It's hard on us hawks fans to endure this kind of strategy because we have a depleated roster and NEED to sign someone. But, since this is going to be a lottery season, it could be a very nice way to capitalize.

[jayu70]

Maybe Schlenk should just sit back with his cap space and let capsized teams come begging. Most teams are already strapped and there's still a lot of signing to do.

It's hard on us hawks fans to endure this kind of strategy because we have a depleted roster and NEED to sign someone. But, since this is going to be a lottery season, it could be a very nice way to capitalize.

I want us to sign the RIGHT someone though. No rush - like Schlenk said no bad free agent contracts just because we have the capspace.

[kg01]

Maybe Schlenk should just sit back with his cap space and let acpsized reams come begging. Most teams are already strapped and there's still a lot of sighing to do.

It's hard on us hawks fans to endure this kind of strategy because we have a depleated roster and NEED to sign someone. But, since this is going to be a lottery season, it could be a very nice way to capitalize.

I'm totally fine with that. Plenty of teams tryna get rid of guys. Schlenk just needs to tell 'em to line up and bring an asset or two with you. We should be able to take DET and probably some other 'reams' to the cleaners.

[MaceCase]

I believe Crowder is the odd man out because the Celtics spent 2 top 3 picks and 128 million on Forwards. Smart and Bradley are Danny's boys, he's got a greater attachment to them being his own picks than Jae, their defense offsets Isaiah, and they need their Guard depth around Isaiah. I doubt Ainge is worried about extensions as they are done in free agency, plus he needs contract filler for trades down the road.