2017 Summer Bulls - Merged

sco · Post #241 » by **sco** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 4:55 pm

FecesOfDeath wrote:Payne was basically dominating the d-league every time he played there for the Thunder and Bulls; just look at his analytics stats. At this point he's a 4A player where he's too good for the g-league but not yet good enough for the NBA.

A less competitive environment of a rebuilding team could be good for his personal development. He's gaining nothing but chemistry with teammates by playing in the summer league.

Let's be clear here. IF he shows to be a good player in SL (and even Pre-season), I would want him developed up here. Given your point that he was good in the D-League, is encouraging. If he can't show progress, then send him down for half a season, and try again.

BullsFTW · Post #242 » by **BullsFTW** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 4:57 pm

DerrickNoah wrote:Starters ??

PG: Dunn
SG: Valentine
SF: Zipser
PF: Markkanen
C: Random Big

Or

PG: Payne
SG: Dunn
SF: Valentine
PF: Zipser
C: Markkanen

That line up but move Dunn to PG on offense and have him defend SGs

rowseyna · Post #243 » by **rowseyna** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:38 pm

Payne/Arcidiacono
Dunn/Blakeney/Heslip
Valentine/Todorovic
Zipser/Walker/Benimon
Markkanen/Brimah/Jovanovic

Brady Heslip

G, 6'2", 185 lbs, 27 years old, Canadian
College: Baylor
Undrafted (2014)
2014-15 - Reno Bighorns
2016-17 - Raptors 905
NBA D-League Champion (2017)
Bosnian League Champion (2015)
Bosnian Cup Winner (2015)
Bosnian Cup Grand Final MVP (2015)
NBA D-League single game three-point field goals record (13)
NIT Champion (2013)
Canadian National Team (2015)

D-League Stats (2014-15 & 2016-17):

68 G, 46 GS, 29.4 MPG, 45.6% FG, 42.8% 3P, 82.7% FT, 1.9 RPG, 2.3 APG, .8 SPG, 18.5 PPG, 18 PER, 63.1% TS, 61.3% eFG, 126 ORtg, 114 DRtg, 7 WS, .168 WS/48, 1.9 BPM, 3.3 VORP

Spoiler:

Antonio Blakeney

SG, 6'4", 197 lbs, 20 years old, American
College: LSU
Undrafted (2017)

Sophomore Stats:

31 G, 32.8 MPG, 45.8% FG, 35.8% 3P, 72.4% FT, 4.8 RPG, 1.7 APG, .7 SPG, 17.2 PPG, 18.1 PER, 55% TS, 52% eFG, 2.1 WS, .084 WS/40, 1.3 BPM

Spoiler:

Ryan Arcidiacono

G, 6'3", 195 lbs, 23 years old, American
College: Villanova
Undrafted (2016)
2016-17 - Austin Spurs
NCAA Champion (2016)
NCAA Tournament MOP (2016)
Big East Co-PoY (2015)
First-Team All-Big East (2015)
Second-Team All-Big East (2016)
Big East All-Rookie Team (2013)

D-League Stats:

47 G, 34 GS, 27.5 MPG, 47.2% FG, 42.1% 3P, 81.4% FT, 3.7 RPG, 3.8 APG, .9 SPG, 6.5 PPG, 59.6% TS, 55.9% eFG, 113 ORtg, 111 DRtg, 2.3 WS, .086 WS/48, 1 BPM, 1.6 VORP

Spoiler:

Paul Zipser

SF, 6'8", 226 lbs, 23 years old, German
2nd-Round Pick, 48th Overall (2016)
2010-12 - USC Heidelberg
2013-16 - Bayern Munich
2016-Present - Chicago Bulls
2016-17 - Windy City Bulls
BBL Champion (2014)
BBL All-Star (2016)
BBL Best German Young Player (2016)

NBA Stats:

44 G, 18 GS, 19.2 MPG, 39.8% FG, 33.3% 3P, 47.3% eFG, 77.5% FT, 2.8 RPG, .8 APG, 5.5 PPG, 50.3% TS, .5 WS, .030 WS/48

Spoiler:

Dejan Todorovic

SF/SG, 6'6", 196 lbs, 23 years old, Serbian
Undrafted (2016)
2014-2017 - Bilbao Basket

Bilbao Stats (2014-15):

31 GP, 10 GS, 9 MPG, 43% FG, 22.2% 3P, 81.8% FT, 1.2 RPG, .5 APG, .5 SPG, 3.6 PPG

Spoiler:

Cameron Payne

PG, 6'3", 185 lbs, 22 years old, American
College: Murray St.
1st-Round Pick, 14th Overall (2015)
2015-17 - Oklahoma City Thunder
2015 & 2017 - Oklahoma City Blue
2017-Present - Chicago Bulls
2017 - Windy City Bulls
OVC PoY (2015)
Lute Olson Award (2015)
2x First-Team All-OVC (2014 & 2015)
OVC FoY (2014)

NBA Stats:

88 G, 1 GS, 13.2 MPG, 37.8% FG, 32% 3P, 44.5% eFG, 75% FT, 1.5 RPG, 1.9 APG, .6 SPG, 5 PPG, 45.7% TS, 1 WS, .042 WS/48

Spoiler:

Lauri Markkanen

PF, 7', 230 lbs, 20 years old, Finnish
College: Arizona
1st-Round Pick, 7th Overall (2017)
2017-Present - Chicago Bulls
Third-Team All-American (2017)
First-Team All-Pac-12 (2017)
Pac-12 All-Freshman Team (2017)
Nike Hoop Summit (2016)

Freshman Stats:

37 G, 30.8 MPG, 49.2% FG, 42.3% 3P, 83.5% FT, 7.2 RPG, .9 APG, .5 BPG, 15.6 PPG, 134.1 ORtg, 100.4 DRtg, 25 PER, 63.5% TS, 58.4% eFG, 6.7 WS, .235 WS/40, 9.3 BPM

Spoiler:

Chris Walker

PF, 6'10", 220 lbs, 22 years old, American
College: Florida
Undrafted (2015)
2015-17 - Rio Grande Valley Vipers
McDonald's All-American (2013)
Jordan Brand Classic (2013)

D-League Stats:

94 G, 6 GS, 17 MPG, 59.5% FG, 27.3% 3P, 62.7% FT, 5.4 RPG, .7 APG, .5 SPG, 1.1 BPG, 7.6 PPG, 19.5 PER, 61.8% TS, 59.8% eFG, 120 ORtg, 110 DRtg, 4.9 WS, .148 WS/48, .9 BPM, 1.9 VORP

Spoiler:

Kris Dunn

G, 6'4", 210 lbs, 23 years old, American
College: Providence
1st-Round Pick, 5th Overall (2016)
2016-17 - Minnesota Timberwolves
2017-Present - Chicago Bulls
Consensus Second-Team All-American (2016)
2x Big East PoY (2015 & 2016)
2x First-Team All-Big East (2015 & 2016)
2x Big East DPoY (2015 & 2016)
McDonald's All-American (2012)
Jordan Brand Classic (2012)
First-Team Parade All-American (2012)

NBA Stats:

78 G, 7 GS, 37.7% FG, 28.8% 3P, 41.1% eFG, 61% FT, 2.1 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1 SPG, .5 BPG, 3.8 PPG, 43.2% TS, .1 WS, .004 WS/48

Spoiler:

Amida Brimah

C, 7', 230 lbs, 23 years old, Ghanaian
College: UConn
Undrafted (2017)
NCAA Champion (2014)
AAC DPoY (2015)

College Stats (2013-17):

133 G, 21.9 MPG, 63.7% FG, 64.4% FT, 4.5 RPG, 2.8 BPG, 6.7 PPG, 119.7 ORtg, 95.4 DRtg, 20.4 PER, 64.6% TS, 63.7% eFG, 12.1 WS, .166 WS/40, 8.4 BPM

Spoiler:

Denzel Valentine

SG/SF, 6'6", 212 lbs, 23 years old, American
College: Michigan St.
1st-Round Pick, 14th Overall (2016)
2016-Present - Chicago Bulls
2017 - Windy City Bulls
AP PoY (2016)
NABC PoY (2016)
Consensus First-Team All-American (2016)
Senior CLASS Award (2016)
Julius Erving Award (2016)
Lute Olson Award (2016)
Big Ten PoY (2016)
First-Team All-Big Ten (2016)
Third-Team All-Big Ten (2015)
Big Ten Tournament MOP (2016)
United States National Team (2015)

NBA Stats:

57 G, 17.1 MPG, 35.4% FG, 35.1% 3P, 48.1% eFG, 77.8% FT, 2.6 RPG, 1.1 APG, .5 SPG, 5.1 PPG, 49.2% TS, .6 WS, .031 WS/48

Spoiler:

Jerrelle Benimon

PF, 6'8", 245 lbs, 25 years old, American
College: Towson (2012-14) & Georgetown (2009-11)
Undrafted (2014)
2014-15 - Idaho Stampede
2015 - Utah Jazz
2015-16 - Foshan Dralions
2016-17 - Qingdao DoubleStar
All-NBA D-League First Team (2015)
NBA D-League All-Rookie First Team (2015)
NBA D-League All-Star (2015)
2x CAA PoY (2013 & 2014)
2x First-Team All-CAA (2013 & 2014)
2x CAA All-Defensive Team (2013 & 2014)
AP Honorable Mention All-American (2013)
2nd in Country in Rebounds (2014)

D-League Stats (2014-15):

44 G, 38 GS, 34.8 MPG, 61.4% FG, 20% 3P, 62.9% FT, 11 RPG, 4.4 APG, 1.1 SPG, 1 BPG, 19.8 PPG, 22.5 PER, 63.2% TS, 61.9% eFG, 116 ORtg, 114 DRtg, 4.1 WS, .129 WS/48, 4.3 BPM, 4 VORP

Spoiler:

Nikola Jovanovic

PF/C, 6'11", 240 lbs, 23 years old, Serbian
College: USC
Undrafted (2016)
2016-17 - Grand Rapids Drive
2017 - Westchester Knicks

D-League Stats:

36 G, 14 GS, 17.3 MPG, 47.9% FG, 45.5% 3P, 66.7% FT, 6.6 RPG, .6 APG, 9.2 PPG, 18.9 PER, 53.4% TS, 48.8% eFG, 111 ORtg, 110 DRtg, 1.6 WS, .120 WS/48

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Added spoilers due to videos slowing down the page. -RB83

bulls4ever · Post #244 » by **bulls4ever** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:56 pm

I want to see pretty much them all.
Lauri for the obvious reason: Want to have a sneak preview of his worthness
Dunn: Maybe he was just bad at tumberwolves. Bad chemistry, not perfect teammates for his type of game . who knows. I want to know

Valentine: He was a monster last season but irrelevant during the season. Will he be ready for next step? I have high hopes he will
Zipser: I'm not a fan of his game but I can see a Butler potential: come out of "nowhere" to shock the world.
Payne: I have no hopes for him. Never had
Ryan Arcidiacono : He could get a NBA job somewhere ... Will be interesting to watch he fight for it.

MC3 · Post #245 » by **MC3** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 5:59 pm

You should have put that in spoiler. Page is loading two days...

TheSuzerain · Post #246 » by **TheSuzerain** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:00 pm

Zipser really shouldn't be going. Can't imagine there's been very many people to play 20 minutes per game in the playoffs the prior season and still play summer league in the offseason.

rowseyna · Post #247 » by **rowseyna** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:07 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Zipser really shouldn't be going. Can't imagine there's been very many people to play 20 minutes per game in the playoffs the prior season and still play summer league in the offseason.

It's been said that he won't play much. Ditto for Payne. It's primarily going to be about showcasing/focusing on Dunn, Markkanen, and Valentine.

JohnnyTapwater · Post #248 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:17 pm

Brady Heslip's jumpshot is amazing...

DanTown8587 · Post #249 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:20 pm

FecesOfDeath wrote:Payne was basically dominating the d-league every time he played there for the Thunder and Bulls; just look at his analytics stats. At this point he's a 4A player where he's too good for the g-league but not yet good enough for the NBA.

A less competitive environment of a rebuilding team could be good for his personal development. He's gaining nothing but chemistry with teammates by playing in the summer league.

This is simply a lie. He had quite pedestrian numbers for a NBA guy down in the d-league, albeit in a five game sample. He played two games there the year before so your sample is seven games of mostly "bleh" numbers.

DanTown8587 · Post #250 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:22 pm

Since they've acquired Dunn, I see little value in Payne going forward. Especially with Grant here as well and him being actually better than Payne has been.

molepharmer · Post #251 » by **molepharmer** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:38 pm

last year's summer league...

Orlando
Payne led everyone in ppg
30mpg, 18.8ppg, 43.6%FG, 4.5reb, 4.0as

Las Vegas
Dunn only played two games
34mpg, 24.0ppg, 54.3%FG, 7.0reb, 3.0as

weneeda2guard · Post #252 » by **weneeda2guard** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:43 pm

Very interested to see dunn, and see if his bad rookie year was due to thibs wanting to bring him along slowly, or his game not translating well on the nba level.

Def interested to see Markkanen, and if he is worth the 7th pick to make me feel better on the fact we gave up our 16th even though we were trading our star, smh has that ever been done? Nvm

Interested in seeing valentine year 2.

I'm about all given up on payne.

And I think zipser will be better.

JimmyJammer · Post #253 » by **JimmyJammer** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:46 pm

MC3 wrote:
JohnnyTapwater wrote:Brimah has a 7'6'' wingspan....9'3'' standing reach.... Me likey

It will be nice experiment to see how good fit Markkanen would be with Bamba for example who is even longer than him or Ayton who is comparable size. And is it possible play two 7 footers in today's NBA.

People are small balling as hell today. If it works it would be counter on the league. It would be one those "light years ahead" moves. But it needs to work first.

I like the idea of 2 agile 7footer being able to play small ball. I alluded to that a couple of weeks ago, and I used the Milwaukee Bucks as an example. That combo of Thom Maker and Greek the Freak is going to be something else and also the way to go moving forward. They are both fast and extremely athletic. I can definitely see us going in that direction since Markhannen is so agile for a big man.

rowseyna · Post #254 » by **rowseyna** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 6:55 pm

molepharmer wrote:last year's summer league...

Orlando
Payne led everyone in ppg
30mpg, 18.8ppg, 43.6%FG, 4.5reb, 4.0as

Las Vegas
Dunn only played two games
34mpg, 24.0ppg, 54.3%FG, 7.0reb, 3.0as

To add on to that, here are other SL stats:

Brady Heslip (2014 & 2015): 7 GP, 2 GS, 11 MPG, 47.8% FG, 46.7% 3P, 75% FT, .6 APG, 4.6 PPG

Ryan Arcidiacono (2016): 3 GP, 22.7 MPG, 1.7 PPG, 33.3% FG, 2.3 RPG, 3.7 APG, 2 SPG

Chris Walker (2015 & 2016): 8 GP, 0 GS, 8.3 MPG, 34.6% FG, 0% 3P, 50% FT, 1.9 RPG, .6 BPG, 3 PPG

Denzel Valentine (2016): 7 GP, 29.9 MPG, 11.6 PPG, 35.2% FG, 6.7 RPG, 2.7 APG, 1.6 SPG

Jerrelle Benimon (2014, 2015, & 2016): 16 GP, 7 GS, 19.8 MPG, 52.4% FG, 100% 3P, 61.3% FT, 6.8 RPG, 1.2 APG, 6.8 PPG

Nikola Jovanovic (2016): 3 GP, 0 GS, 6.5 MPG, 28.6% FG, 0% 3P, 100% FT, 2 RPG, .7 BPG, 2 PPG

JimmyJammer · Post #255 » by **JimmyJammer** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 7:06 pm

Jvaughn wrote:I'm interested to see how Payne does. If he can't dominate the Summer League, I'm very pessimistic he can be a mediocre pro.

Payne has already dominated Summer League, so he should not even be there again going on his third year.

Watch on YouTube

Red Larrivee · Post #256 » by **Red Larrivee** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 7:36 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:Since they've acquired Dunn, I see little value in Payne going forward. Especially with Grant here as well and him being actually better than Payne has been.

That trade was bad from the start, though it's obvious that management believes McDermott's value is nearing rock bottom and Payne is a victim of minimal playing time and injuries. So, they gave up a 2nd.

I've never been high on Payne, and as bad as McDermott has been, he would have fit this year's roster much better.

johnnyvann840 · Post #257 » by **johnnyvann840** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 8:12 pm

Back to Back Vegas Summer League Champs.

This is our time.

Summer time.

In the desert.

MC3 · Post #258 » by **MC3** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 8:16 pm

Read on Twitter

Snitch is coaching Bulls summer league squad. If you thought billboard wasnt justified, it is now.

sco · Post #259 » by **sco** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 8:23 pm

MC3 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Snitch is coaching Bulls summer league squad. If you thought billboard wasnt justified, it is now.

Do they know that Summer League tanking doesn't count?

Post #260 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Jul 6, 2017 8:38 pm

Watching Dunn you see the talent. Good athlete, good passer, and has the potential to be a very good defender.

His offensive game at his age is what's worrisome. Let's hope he has a rabid work ethic to improve.