2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Roy Tarpley]

Hope we are still in on KCP. have plenty of cap to do it. 4/72 i think can get it done, 1M more then THJ got.

Russell, KCP, 2018 1st would but a huge offseason for sean marks.

if not id try and sign dwayne dedmon.

I agree, I'd rather have KCP than Crabbe + mid-teens pick.

I'm hoping for KCP at 4/66.

[NyCeEvO]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

I am flabbergasted by these long winded arguments over why DAR or Lin MUST start.

In its current state, this team is bottom 6 in the league talent wise.

Lin was injured for the majority of the season. Russell and Levert still have have a lot to prove until their potential is actualized. Whitehead has shown flashes of being a good 6th man but is still a net negative. Because RHJ can't shoot and isn't that good of a ball handler yet (maybe...ever?), we have to stick him at PF.

I could not care less who starts.

Each player has something to improve upon and will get a lot of minutes to showcase their talent. If somebody isn't playing well despite given many chances, they need to be benched period.

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[NyCeEvO]

This is a great move for us, like this better than max for Otto. Well played Marks.

Cap space wins again!

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[Netaman]

I think it's safe to say right now our 1, 2 and 5 are pretty much set with Lin, Russell and Mozgov. If Marks was willing to put Lin on the bench he wouldn't have tried to sell his top FA target (Reddick) on being 6th man.

For the 3 & 4 our top starting options are currently Carroll, RHJ, LeVert, Booker. And there are at least 3-4 names in FA we've been linked to, though none are a perfect fit (KCP, Green, Illyasova). None of those options is desperate, but are any of them fits for what Marks is looking to build long term (other than LeVert obviously, though long term he's probably more guard than forward)?

Put me in the category of thinking Marks has another big move or 2 up his sleeve, still have too many guards on the roster and I think someone like Kilpatrick is going to be on the move.

[Karate Diop]

I think I'm fully on the pass on KCP camp now. Id rather keep the room / flexibility for in season deals and next offseason.

[Netaman]

I think I'm fully on the pass on KCP camp now. Id rather keep the room / flexibility for in season deals and next offseason.

I'd probably lean that way as well unless he's willing to embrace a 6th man role or take a big 1 year deal (which I doubt he'd do here now since the roster is crowded at his natural position).

[JoseRizal]

I would still prefer having KCP on a reasonable deal like a 4/60 or 4/70.

This team still lacks talent and he's the best player available. I want us to field a respectable line-up on the floor.

As it stands, only Lin, Dlo & to a certain extent CLV & DMC are the only legitimate starters in the team. Moz is passable for the 5 but the position is no longer as relevant as before. Having KCP will ease the pressure off our young wings and will give them more time to develop properly as well as insurance from any possible injuries like the one we had last season with Lin.

I will definitely be surprised if Marks is not considering adding KCP.

[Netaman]

I would still prefer having KCP on a reasonable deal like a 4/60 or 4/70.

This team still lacks talent and he's the best player available. I want us to field a respectable line-up on the floor.

As it stands, only Lin, Dlo & to a certain extent CLV & DMC are the only legitimate starters in the team. Moz is passable for the 5 but the position is no longer as relevant as before. Having a KCP will ease the pressure off our young wings and will give them more time to develop properly.

I will definitely be surprised if Marks is not considering adding KCP.

I'm sure he's considering it, I just think it depends on how he views cap space for next offseason and the current PF options. I think he's probably open to starting RHJ or Carroll as undersized 4's and I think he's probably open to starting KCP with Lin/Russell as an undersized 3, but I don't think they'd do both. More likely Carroll is our 3 and if KCP signs here it would be as 6th man this year and bigger role in the future.

[Keith Van Horn]

I'm still on board with adding KCP for 4/60-70 range. If he doesn't want the deal then he can walk but it seems like he won't get offered anything outside of a giant 1 year deal with LA. ATL wants to tank and they already have Baze/Prince. NYK just shot themselves out of the conversation with THJR.

Other than KCP, we can save the space. IDK about giving these bigs any sort of decent size contracts. It seems like they're the ones that are always the regret a year or 2 later. Instead of a Green deal in the 10+/yr range, I'll take Plumlee to come off the bench for 2 years until Jarett Allen is ready at a 2/8 deal.

[MrDollarBills]

The Marksman never misses.

[Keith Van Horn]

I would still prefer having KCP on a reasonable deal like a 4/60 or 4/70.

This team still lacks talent and he's the best player available. I want us to field a respectable line-up on the floor.

As it stands, only Lin, Dlo & to a certain extent CLV & DMC are the only legitimate starters in the team. Moz is passable for the 5 but the position is no longer as relevant as before. Having a KCP will ease the pressure off our young wings and will give them more time to develop properly.

I will definitely be surprised if Marks is not considering adding KCP.

I'm sure he's considering it, I just think it depends on how he views cap space for next offseason and the current PF options. I think he's probably open to starting RHJ or Carroll as undersized 4's and I think he's probably open to starting KCP with Lin/Russell as an undersized 3, but I don't think they'd do both. More likely Carroll is our 3 and if KCP signs here it would be as 6th man this year and bigger role in the future.

even if we start the season with DMC at 3, and over course of the months he goes to bench (like Booker did) in favor of KCP that'd be perfect. or if he started over RHJ then the switch happened.

either way, DMC will be a useful vet piece here for sure... while we get 2 picks in the process.

[Netaman]

I would still prefer having KCP on a reasonable deal like a 4/60 or 4/70.

This team still lacks talent and he's the best player available. I want us to field a respectable line-up on the floor.

As it stands, only Lin, Dlo & to a certain extent CLV & DMC are the only legitimate starters in the team. Moz is passable for the 5 but the position is no longer as relevant as before. Having a KCP will ease the pressure off our young wings and will give them more time to develop properly.

I will definitely be surprised if Marks is not considering adding KCP.

I'm sure he's considering it, I just think it depends on how he views cap space for next offseason and the current PF options. I think he's probably open to starting RHJ or Carroll as undersized 4's and I think he's probably open to starting KCP with Lin/Russell as an undersized 3, but I don't think they'd do both. More likely Carroll is our 3 and if KCP signs here it would be as 6th man this year and bigger role in the future.

even if we start the season with DMC at 3, and over course of the months he goes to bench (like Booker did) in favor of KCP that'd be perfect. or if he started over RHJ then the switch happened.

either way, DMC will be a useful vet piece here for sure... while we get 2 picks in the process.

I agree - the more I think about it, I think Marks/Atkinson should be able to sell KCP on having enough of a role here as first guy off the bench, with the possibility of competing for starting time. I mean, everyone says our system is most similar to the Spurs, why not sell him on the Manu role with the possibility of starting in the future if Lin opts out?

[MrDollarBills]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

Yep. Lin, Dlo and KCP start with LeVert off the bench. I would expect by the start of 18/19 or at the latest 19/20 to have Russell, KCP and LeVert starting, but I don't think there is any rush, particularly with LeVert. He's played 57 games and started 26 of them, 1 more season of coming off the bench (still playing 25-30 minutes) won't hurt him at all.

That perimeter would be incredibly undersized. Hell even LeVert struggled against bigger 3s. Every Forward in the league would just shoot over KCP and forget about when he inevitably has to switch onto 4s.

And Lin didn't even play in 40 games last season and has been coming off the bench for the vast majority of his NBA career so I don't really see your point.

LeVert was one of the better defenders on the team last season.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I think every Nets fan is hoping for Jarrett Allen to prove people wrong but the average late first rounder turns out more like CMC than LeVert, especially when only looking at the start of this upcoming season.

I thought Acy signed a 2 year deal with the Nets? He's a guaranteed contract, no?

Jarrett Allen isn't your typical late first rounder as he was projected to go in the lottery for the vast majority of the season and even ranked as high as 8th at one point. The only reason he dropped to 22 was because most teams already have their center of the future or are looking for combo/stretch bigs.

And nah Acy can be waived anytime before 7/16

Jarrett Allen is 2 years away from being a solid contributor. He's going to need that time just to put on more weight and increase his endurance and muscle stamina. This doesn't even address how raw he is offensively the NBA.

Tons of players are taken all over the 1st round including the lottery who are projects. There was no recently discovered injury concern with him, so there was no justifiable reason for him to drop. Other GMs clearly had him ranked lower on their draft boards than we did. Consequently, he fell to us.

I really like Jarrett's potential but right now it's still potential. He needs plenty of time to play and develop before any thing should be expected of him at the NBA level.

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I strongly disagree. He's much more polished than you think he is, great touch around the rim with jump hooks and reverse finishes and a decent mid range jumper. Hes great at using his length to finish over defenders and he's going to beat most defenders down the court in transition. Also he's fantastic at lob finishes as in catching and putting the ball in the Net without dunking it all in one motion. He's going to be able to contribute immediately on both ends of the floor.

And there is a reason. It's because of the abundance of teams with young centers already on their rosters and teams looking for 3 pt shooters.

I mean let's look at the starting centers for the teams after #12:
13. Gobert
14. Whiteside
15. Cauley Stein
16. KAT
17. Maker
18. Turner
19. Only team without a solid young center
20. Cauley Stein
21. Adams

The rumors before the draft were that one of the bigs was gonna drop because of the young centers in the league already, the fact that there were too many projected between 14-30 and everyone's obsession with outside shooting. Those are the reasons he dropped, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being the best defensive center to come out of the draft and have a impact on both sides from day one. Also last year we had LeVert, Whitehead and Ferrell ranked much higher on our boards than other teams. Hmm I wonder how that worked out?

[Keith Van Horn]

And we know Mark's isn't done yet. Really eager to see what he has up his sleeves next.


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[Prokorov]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

I have flabbergasted by these long winded arguments over why DAR or Lin MUST start.

In its current state, this team is bottom 6 in the league talent wise.

Lin was injured for the majority of the season. Russell and Levert still have have a lot to prove until their potential is actualized. Whitehead has shown flashes of being a good 6th man but is still a net negative. Because RHJ can't shoot and isn't that good of a ball handler yet (maybe...ever?), we have to stick him at PF.

I could not care less who starts.

Each player has something to improve upon and will get a lot of minutes to showcase their talent. If somebody isn't playing well despite given any chances, they need to be benched period.

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this last part i disagree with. we saw last year kenny stick with guys who were struggling and it seemed to pay off. letting young guys play through bad stretches can be more beneficial then sitting them. like you said, this is a bottom 5 team... we shouldnt be motivated to sit guys due to struggles

[Prokorov]

I think it's safe to say right now our 1, 2 and 5 are pretty much set with Lin, Russell and Mozgov. If Marks was willing to put Lin on the bench he wouldn't have tried to sell his top FA target (Reddick) on being 6th man.

For the 3 & 4 our top starting options are currently Carroll, RHJ, LeVert, Booker. And there are at least 3-4 names in FA we've been linked to, though none are a perfect fit (KCP, Green, Illyasova). None of those options is desperate, but are any of them fits for what Marks is looking to build long term (other than LeVert obviously, though long term he's probably more guard than forward)?

Put me in the category of thinking Marks has another big move or 2 up his sleeve, still have too many guards on the roster and I think someone like Kilpatrick is going to be on the move.

i think we could still see KCP... i hope we do. im not worried about too many gaurds since most are low level minimum guys.

[NyCeEvO]

Only issue with this trade is that unless we can convince Lin to opt out and then take a pay cut with the MLE or trade him for expiring contracts we won't be able to have max cap room next summer assuming we sign KCP to a deal around 18 mill.

The free agent class next year is so much better than this year and KCP, rather just save the cap space for possible trade deadline deals if a team implodes.

With the strong likelihood that the Nets win 25 games next year, all of those great free agents will pass right by us. Even if we won more, the best ones are trying to team up to get a shot at the Warriors.

The only stars I think the Nets might even get a conversation with are Westbrook or DMC, and that's only because it's hard to know the former is so into fashion that he might just love the limelight of NYC more than building a contender, while the latter is too mercurial to read.

Lin, Booker and others expire next year so that gives us about $20+mil of cap space. Then, we gain an extra 2-3 mil with the cap going up again. If we really want near max cap space just to show a FA that there's a chance to get them their money, I'd have RHJ as the base of a S&T package.

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[NyCeEvO]

Also the 2nd rounder is whichever one is worse of the Lakers/Magic next season. **** SEAN MARKS IS A GOD!

And we still have the Pacers 2nd rounder. B-)

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[Prokorov]

I think I'm fully on the pass on KCP camp now. Id rather keep the room / flexibility for in season deals and next offseason.

we wouldnt really lose flexibility... if we signed KCP to say 4/72

In Season:

-15M in expiring contracts
-3 million in cap room

We could clear 18M in salary for someone.

next season:

if we let Booker, Acy, Harris, Kilpatrick walk thats 18M in cap room.
if lin opts out thats 30 million in cap room

thats assuming the cap stays where it is.