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Post#361 » by hood30 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:53 am

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hood30 wrote:Marks should pass on KCP and save the money for a salary dumb + draft pick that may open up trading deadline.

He should only use some of that remaining cap space to upgrade at PF...I don't think KCP is an upgrade what they currently have, so making him the highest paid guy here based on last year stats is not good.

KCP is a clear upgrade from Kilpatrick, Joe Harris. I don't mind the idea of acquiring more picks but we also need guys who can improve and help us out right now. KCP/LeVert/RHJ/Carroll/Lin/Whitehead/SD
is a rotation of scrappy defensive minded guards and forwards that can also shoot it averagely.

At the end of the day, our offense will live and die with what D'Lo does but it's really about setting up an athletic lengthy team of defenders and KCP is by far the best available and we aren't likely to pry any RFAs next summer without a similar overpay strategy. The only reason why KCP is so attractive to us is because he's UFA and don't necessarily have to overpay and it's a much healthier contract than a poison pill deal.


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Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.
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Post#362 » by Vae Victus » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:10 am

Crabbe at this point is a hard pass. With DLo on-board why steal mins from any of the current guys on the roster when theres a decent chance they can develop into a better player than Crabbe is showing. Also he's got a nasty 15% trade kicker that Marks poison pilled into his contract.

Now of course if Markinson thinks there's still some development left in Crabbe AND he waives his trade kicker (goto a team were he can do more than just be Dame/CJ spot up shooter) AND POR forks out a coupla picks (say a 1st and 2nd), then sure why not.

With both DLo and Carroll on the team, the SG and SF position got shored up MASSIVELY. There's just no desperation anymore for the likes of Crabbe or KCP now.

I mean honestly, is he really any better than Lin or DLo? Levert isnt far behind, and KCP is out there demanding to be the highest paid Net next year when he really hasnt proven enough.

If Nets dont bite, i can see him going to LAL on a 1+1. Magic will let KCP jack up all the shots he wants to up his stats, and they need talent waaaaaaaay worse than the Nets imo. Ingram and Ball are a nice start, but the rest of that team is utterly putrid full of lazy no defense chuckers.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#363 » by Papi_swav » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:45 am

hood30 wrote:
Paradise wrote:
hood30 wrote:Marks should pass on KCP and save the money for a salary dumb + draft pick that may open up trading deadline.

He should only use some of that remaining cap space to upgrade at PF...I don't think KCP is an upgrade what they currently have, so making him the highest paid guy here based on last year stats is not good.

KCP is a clear upgrade from Kilpatrick, Joe Harris. I don't mind the idea of acquiring more picks but we also need guys who can improve and help us out right now. KCP/LeVert/RHJ/Carroll/Lin/Whitehead/SD
is a rotation of scrappy defensive minded guards and forwards that can also shoot it averagely.

At the end of the day, our offense will live and die with what D'Lo does but it's really about setting up an athletic lengthy team of defenders and KCP is by far the best available and we aren't likely to pry any RFAs next summer without a similar overpay strategy. The only reason why KCP is so attractive to us is because he's UFA and don't necessarily have to overpay and it's a much healthier contract than a poison pill deal.


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Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.

Na I think Crabbe has that trade kicker thing which make it harder to trade him, I would much rather KCP at 17 mill than Crabbe, Crabbe cannot play the defense KCP does. KCP can also guard point guards and smaller small forwards when teams go 3 guard lineups crabbe can't do what KCP does on that end. Also if we get KCP, we have a bunch of players we can package to get a solid starter. A package of KCP, Lin, Booker etc.. might get us a very good player down the line.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#364 » by DartboardT » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:49 am

(1) trading Lin (a building block of the New Management Nets) mid-season salts the Nets culture earth for non-superstar FAs in the future, leaving Nets unattractive as a FA destination "with a real difference" until they become regular playoff contenders

(2) the more likely scenario is JLin opts out and leaves for another team if he remains on the squad until the end of the 2017-18 season, and why wouldn't he remain a Net the whole season where expectations still aren't all that high?

(3) ...Nets can agree to terms to take on DMC even though their cap space is tied up the next three days, but we've heard nothing I can recall from Woj about KCP actively negotiating with Nets at the moment, even though they certainly can be in talks.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#365 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:30 am

hood30 wrote:
Paradise wrote:
hood30 wrote:Marks should pass on KCP and save the money for a salary dumb + draft pick that may open up trading deadline.

He should only use some of that remaining cap space to upgrade at PF...I don't think KCP is an upgrade what they currently have, so making him the highest paid guy here based on last year stats is not good.

KCP is a clear upgrade from Kilpatrick, Joe Harris. I don't mind the idea of acquiring more picks but we also need guys who can improve and help us out right now. KCP/LeVert/RHJ/Carroll/Lin/Whitehead/SD
is a rotation of scrappy defensive minded guards and forwards that can also shoot it averagely.

At the end of the day, our offense will live and die with what D'Lo does but it's really about setting up an athletic lengthy team of defenders and KCP is by far the best available and we aren't likely to pry any RFAs next summer without a similar overpay strategy. The only reason why KCP is so attractive to us is because he's UFA and don't necessarily have to overpay and it's a much healthier contract than a poison pill deal.


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Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.


So basically, your reasoning for not wanting KCP here is because it would force Lin to the bench?
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#366 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:05 am

DartboardT wrote:you mean on a one-year? I mean, I guess 2/$37M on a player option is the other alternative, but that's not very favorable terms for the Nets...and comparing against what Marksman just did...


a short term deal is terrible for us... we bring him here and develop him then he needs a max contract with a higher cap and more service time. if he developed into an all-star your looking at 30 million overpay.

get him at 4/72 and if he develops you have a bargain
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#367 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:06 am

hood30 wrote:Marks should pass on KCP and save the money for a salary dumb + draft pick that may open up trading deadline.

He should only use some of that remaining cap space to upgrade at PF...I don't think KCP is an upgrade what they currently have, so making him the highest paid guy here based on last year stats is not good.


we can sign KCP and take on a salary dump at the deadline due to all the expiring money we have.
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Post#368 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:09 am

hood30 wrote:Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.


worse then crabbe? he might literally have to retire to be a worse contract then crabbe.

he is a better shooter then crabbe. crabbe shoots a higher percentage but on like half the volume and 97% catch and shoot. (KCP shot 45.2% on catch and shoot for comparison). KCP took just 78% of his shots on catch and shoot. you tell crabbe he has to take 2 more threes a game and they have to be off the dribble and see what his percentage looks like then.

and what difference does it make if crabbe can play SG or SF when he cant defend either position? worse then skil defensively and just above bogs defensively. among the worst defenders in the league (by the analytics, not hyperbole).
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#369 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:13 am

Papi_swav wrote:Na I think Crabbe has that trade kicker thing which make it harder to trade him, I would much rather KCP at 17 mill than Crabbe, Crabbe cannot play the defense KCP does. KCP can also guard point guards and smaller small forwards when teams go 3 guard lineups crabbe can't do what KCP does on that end. Also if we get KCP, we have a bunch of players we can package to get a solid starter. A package of KCP, Lin, Booker etc.. might get us a very good player down the line.


yeah... i mean what does crabbe give you? he makes less then 2 three-pointers a game. lets say he hits one in the first quarter and one in the 4th quarte.... what does he give you in the 25-30 minutes inbetween making those 2 shots?

-terrible defense
-no rebounding
-no offense creation
-minimal spacing (he doesnt/cant put it on the floor so he is easily run off his catch and shoots, which is why his volume is lower)

Joe Harris is better then crabbe on both ends.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#370 » by Kolkmania » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:19 pm

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hood30 wrote:Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.


worse then crabbe? he might literally have to retire to be a worse contract then crabbe.

he is a better shooter then crabbe. crabbe shoots a higher percentage but on like half the volume and 97% catch and shoot. (KCP shot 45.2% on catch and shoot for comparison). KCP took just 78% of his shots on catch and shoot. you tell crabbe he has to take 2 more threes a game and they have to be off the dribble and see what his percentage looks like then.

and what difference does it make if crabbe can play SG or SF when he cant defend either position? worse then skil defensively and just above bogs defensively. among the worst defenders in the league (by the analytics, not hyperbole).


KCP is so much better than Crabbe. Can defend, shoot and shows some potential as a ball handler, it's not even close.

What is the maximum the Nets can offer KCP after the Carroll+picks trade? I kind of like the Nets roster at the moment, except the gaping hole at the center position. If I'm Marks I would look at Nerlens Noel, 99% the Mavs match him, but it's at least worth a shot.
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Post#371 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:23 pm

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hood30 wrote:Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.


worse then crabbe? he might literally have to retire to be a worse contract then crabbe.

he is a better shooter then crabbe. crabbe shoots a higher percentage but on like half the volume and 97% catch and shoot. (KCP shot 45.2% on catch and shoot for comparison). KCP took just 78% of his shots on catch and shoot. you tell crabbe he has to take 2 more threes a game and they have to be off the dribble and see what his percentage looks like then.

and what difference does it make if crabbe can play SG or SF when he cant defend either position? worse then skil defensively and just above bogs defensively. among the worst defenders in the league (by the analytics, not hyperbole).


KCP is so much better than Crabbe. Can defend, shoot and shows some potential as a ball handler, it's not even close.

What is the maximum the Nets can offer KCP after the Carroll+picks trade? I kind of like the Nets roster at the moment, except the gaping hole at the center position. If I'm Marks I would look at Nerlens Noel, 99% the Mavs match him, but it's at least worth a shot.


as of now like 18.3M if we renounce foye 20M if we waive acy/goodwin 23 million.

with raises we can meet even the steepest asking price. although i wouldnt really want to go with much more then 18M per
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Post#372 » by Ror1997 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:33 pm

I'm getting antsy. The fact that its so quiet makes me think Marks struck a deal quickly and nothing will be leaked until its just about official. If he was actively meeting with teams, we would see alot more reports on the KCP front but its all quiet right now. I don't know. I really have my hopes up for KCP.
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Post#373 » by Roy Tarpley » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:38 pm

Ror1997 wrote:I'm getting antsy. The fact that its so quiet makes me think Marks struck a deal quickly and nothing will be leaked until its just about official. If he was actively meeting with teams, we would see alot more reports on the KCP front but its all quiet right now. I don't know. I really have my hopes up for KCP.


Yeah, isn't today the first day that the Nets, if they wanted to, try to acquire Crabbe?
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Post#374 » by Kolkmania » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:41 pm

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worse then crabbe? he might literally have to retire to be a worse contract then crabbe.

he is a better shooter then crabbe. crabbe shoots a higher percentage but on like half the volume and 97% catch and shoot. (KCP shot 45.2% on catch and shoot for comparison). KCP took just 78% of his shots on catch and shoot. you tell crabbe he has to take 2 more threes a game and they have to be off the dribble and see what his percentage looks like then.

and what difference does it make if crabbe can play SG or SF when he cant defend either position? worse then skil defensively and just above bogs defensively. among the worst defenders in the league (by the analytics, not hyperbole).


KCP is so much better than Crabbe. Can defend, shoot and shows some potential as a ball handler, it's not even close.

What is the maximum the Nets can offer KCP after the Carroll+picks trade? I kind of like the Nets roster at the moment, except the gaping hole at the center position. If I'm Marks I would look at Nerlens Noel, 99% the Mavs match him, but it's at least worth a shot.


as of now like 18.3M if we renounce foye 20M if we waive acy/goodwin 23 million.

with raises we can meet even the steepest asking price. although i wouldnt really want to go with much more then 18M per


That's promising! If you guys end up with KCP and a decent two-way center then I can see you guys surprise in the East.

Dewayne Dedmon is an intriguing option for you guys, extremely nimble for his size and thus suitable for your high pace, can block shots and is a lob target, with the current market he could be obtainable. Perhaps for MLE (or somehow Non-Taxpayer MLE if you can resign someone after signing KCP?).

edit: How's Allen doing, why didn't he play against the Bucks?
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Post#375 » by Kaiser30 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:46 pm

Prokorov wrote:as of now like 18.3M if we renounce foye 20M if we waive acy/goodwin 23 million.

with raises we can meet even the steepest asking price. although i wouldnt really want to go with much more then 18M per

We could potentially offer even more money by creatively using performance bonuses. I've recently read an interesting article about how Miami used them this offseason in order to "maximize their cap space", so I just thought it might be worth sharing in addition to your explanation:

So how did the Heat manage to create an extra $2.1 million of cap room?

By cleverly leveraging a tool they tend to only rarely ever utilize – the performance bonus.

Performance bonuses are exactly what they sound like – bonuses that a player can earn if he achieves certain performance-related milestones (e.g., games played, points per game, rebounds per game, etc.). But how they are treated for salary cap purposes has the potential to create intricate opportunities.

Performance bonuses are classified by the NBA as either “likely to be achieved” or “unlikely to be achieved.” The distinction is critical because likely bonuses are included in the player’s salary (and thus count toward a team’s maximum available cap space), but unlikely bonuses are not.

With a bit of creativity, the Heat could therefore potentially increase its total cap space beyond the limits of the $99 million salary cap by offering players contracts that contains bonuses which are deemed by the NBA as “unlikely to be achieved.” In such a case, the bonus portion of the contract could potentially not count against the salary cap (but still be paid out if it is ultimately earned), freeing up that cap space to be spent elsewhere!

The NBA determines whether a bonus is deemed likely or unlikely to be achieved based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player averaged 7.0 assists per game in 2016-17, then a performance bonus for 2017-18 based on 7.0 assists per game would be classified as “likely to be achieved” (and included in the player’s cap hit), but a bonus based on 8.0 assists per game would be classified as “unlikely to be achieved” (and not included in the player’s cap hit). Therefore, it’s rather easy to structure a bonus for a guy like Waiters, who played just 46 games last season, which might be considered unlikely to be achieved but, in reality, seem imminently achievable.

Bonuses deemed unlikely to be achieved are limited to 15% of the base salary in each season of the contract at the time of signing. All bonuses are re-evaluated at the end of each season, to determine whether they should be reclassified as likely or unlikely.

This type of maneuverability would seem too good to be true, as if the Heat would be perpetrating a scheme that would effectively be bending (if not outright breaking) the salary cap rules. But would it be?

Absolutely not!

Despite the fact that this is rarely used in NBA circles (for various, practical reasons), it is perfectly legal.

The CBA contains detailed and explicit rules specifically designed to reduce the likelihood of this very thing. But the rules only reduce the possibility, not eliminate it. It is this weakness that the Heat exploited!

Follow the following explanation closely: NBA rules state that when a new contract is submitted to the league office for approval, the entire potential payout – including the base salary, any likely bonuses, and any unlikely bonuses – must fit within the team’s available cap room (or available exception, as the case may be). Not only that, when determining the team’s available cap room, the unlikely bonuses from all contracts signed that season are subtracted. Which, seemingly, eliminates the possibility.

But here’s the thing: the rule only applies at the point the incentive-laden contract is signed.

As long as the first-year salary – including both likely and unlikely bonuses — in any new contract(s) fits within the team’s cap room at the point the contract is officially executed, the contract is legal. The first-year salary thereafter excludes the amount of the unlikely bonus.

The Heat manipulated these rules with each of Waiters, Olynyk and Johnson:

Dion Waiters’ contract was publicly reported as 4-years, $52 million, but that’s not technically how it is structured. Waiters will actually receive $47.3 million in base salary, plus up to another $4.7 million in bonus money. All of that bonus money has been deemed unlikely to be achieved. Which means that after the contract was approved, only the first-year base salary was charged against the cap for this season; that’s $11.0 million, without the $1.1 million in bonus money.
Kelly Olynyk’s contract was publicly reported as 4-years, $50 million (with a player option on the final year), but that’s not technically how it was structured. He will actually receive $45.6 million in base salary, plus up to another $5.6 million in bonus money. All of that bonus money has been deemed unlikely to be achieved. (He also has a trade bonus equal to the lesser of 5% of the remaining value of the contract and $2 million.) Which means that after the contract was approved, only the first-year base salary was charged against the cap for this season; that’s $10.6 million, without the $1.4 million in bonus money.
James Johnson’s contract was publicly reported as 4-years, $60 million (with a player option on the final year), but that’s not technically how it was structured. He will actually receive $59.1 million in base salary, plus up to another $946K in bonus money(1). That bonus money, unlike the others, does count against the salary cap. Which means that after the contract was approved, the $13.7 million first-year salary, and the $220K bonus, was charged against the cap for this season; that’s $14.0 million.


http://heathoops.com/2017/07/the-miami-heat-creatively-locks-in-its-vision-for-the-future/

This seems like something Sean Marks and his team could pull off as well.
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Post#376 » by Prokorov » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:02 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
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KCP is so much better than Crabbe. Can defend, shoot and shows some potential as a ball handler, it's not even close.

What is the maximum the Nets can offer KCP after the Carroll+picks trade? I kind of like the Nets roster at the moment, except the gaping hole at the center position. If I'm Marks I would look at Nerlens Noel, 99% the Mavs match him, but it's at least worth a shot.


as of now like 18.3M if we renounce foye 20M if we waive acy/goodwin 23 million.

with raises we can meet even the steepest asking price. although i wouldnt really want to go with much more then 18M per


That's promising! If you guys end up with KCP and a decent two-way center then I can see you guys surprise in the East.

Dewayne Dedmon is an intriguing option for you guys, extremely nimble for his size and thus suitable for your high pace, can block shots and is a lob target, with the current market he could be obtainable. Perhaps for MLE (or somehow Non-Taxpayer MLE if you can resign someone after signing KCP?).

edit: How's Allen doing, why didn't he play against the Bucks?



allen hurt his hip. not serious but will miss summer league

i love dedmon. wanted him bad before the russell/mozgov trade and drafting allen
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Post#377 » by hood30 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:15 pm

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hood30 wrote:Sorry, not that high on KCP..I wouldn't go above $15M for him...I think his contract will be worst than Crabbe in a year or two...At least, Crabbe is a much better shooter at 6'6 who can play both SF/SG...KCP can only play SG and forces Brooklyn to put 1 of his best player on the bench and he's not even better than the guy he'd be starting over..

I'd rather trade for Crabbe than offer KCP 18Mill....The better option is to save the money..I'm pretty sure better players will be available by trading deadline, as team are out of the playoff and need to unload player so to start tanking.


worse then crabbe? he might literally have to retire to be a worse contract then crabbe.

he is a better shooter then crabbe. crabbe shoots a higher percentage but on like half the volume and 97% catch and shoot. (KCP shot 45.2% on catch and shoot for comparison). KCP took just 78% of his shots on catch and shoot. you tell crabbe he has to take 2 more threes a game and they have to be off the dribble and see what his percentage looks like then.

and what difference does it make if crabbe can play SG or SF when he cant defend either position? worse then skil defensively and just above bogs defensively. among the worst defenders in the league (by the analytics, not hyperbole).


Keep in mind KCP played 33 minute per game last year, in compare to Crabbe's 28mpg, so I wouldn't use the volume as a huge problem...Crabbe is a legit pure shooter and I have no doubt that under 30+ minute per game and more shots, he'd be able to up his volume and score more points than KCP....33mpg and only 13.8ppg??..That's not good.

Crabbe is more efficient too across the board.Huge gap.....Not only for last year stats but career wize..Crabbe is a career 41% shooter from 3point while KCP is only a 35% which is not bad, but he's clearly not in Crabbe's level.

Just think about it, Lin is also a 35% career 3point shooter and you're willing to pay KCP 18M to start ahead of Lin??..At least, Lin gives you some play-making and defense at SG..I'd rather keep the money rather than spend it on KCP.


I'd bring KCP here but not for 18M...15M would be my red line..I simply don't think the guy is that good..I think Tim Hardaway is better and I think this guy will be a terrible contract for the knicks
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#378 » by Ror1997 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:22 pm

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Ror1997 wrote:I'm getting antsy. The fact that its so quiet makes me think Marks struck a deal quickly and nothing will be leaked until its just about official. If he was actively meeting with teams, we would see alot more reports on the KCP front but its all quiet right now. I don't know. I really have my hopes up for KCP.


Yeah, isn't today the first day that the Nets, if they wanted to, try to acquire Crabbe?


I believe so, but I don't really expect it. Would welcome it though.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#379 » by Keith Van Horn » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:45 pm

landing KCP and Dedmon would be the cap to an offseason for the ages, considering our dire situation over the last 3 years post nuke option.

I don't care about starting/bench stuff. That'll be for Sean and Kenny to determine. Just give me the horses to compete. We were LAST PLACE in the league last year. We have no right to be turning our noses at certain guys that can make us relevant again.

Question - why haven't we renounced Foye yet? there some sort of strategic impact here? create the space later than sooner or something?
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread III 

Post#380 » by Keith Van Horn » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:49 pm

if there is any sort of possibility we can get Crabbe, I'd definitely consider it. I wouldn't even ask for a 2018 pick too... give me something like a 2019 or 2020 pick. Make it further away and take away any major protections... something like top 5 protected. Then we're in the business of collecting assets.

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