OFFICIAL: Welcome BACK to New York THJr (4/71m)

[BKlutch]

So how are they going to spin Timmy's comments. "Newest knick wants Melo to stay, knicks dysfunction continues"

Edit: lmao I just got the bleacher report notification. Knicks are such easy targets for controversy.

Right? What do you really expect him to say? "Oh, I don't want Melo here!"

Right.

Melo really stuck up the THJ when he was traded to Atlanta, so he owes him this. It doesn't mean he won't be happy hear. When he signed, he knew they were going to trade Melo .

[GONYK]

Timmy and Melo were close. I think THJ actually wants him to stay.

But, f*ck THJ

[F N 11]

Melo makes excellent pies or something? The way people stick up for the man is hilarious.

Melo seems like a chill dude. Its his on the court antic.

[F N 11]

KP getting skinny strong. He aint really gaining mass which is good.

[WeAreNYC]

Yeah him saying he wants Melo to stay is such a non-story.

[GEOLINK]

Hopefully KP doesn't go all Noah Syndergaard. /s

[F N 11]

Yeah him saying he wants Melo to stay is such a non-story.

Says who NY media will spin this. 71 million dollar player wants Melo to stay. Hardaway is upset Melo is being traded.

[prolific96]

Nah, I am not saying that. I am just saying that it's too early to judge the contract. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated risk. Did we overpay to get him now, probably. But to argue that the contract is always going to be terrible is silly, as I've said over and over. People saying if he becomes his father it's still an overpay is insane to me. Maybe those people are joking, I don't know, but you have to factor in what he can become as opposed to what he's been.

You do make a good point regarding current performance vs. future performance, which is why I like the risk, probably because I am on the side of the argument that thinks he will be good here. All-star, doubtful. Solid 3rd option, absolutely. You're mistaken about his shooting percentages, they pretty much went up every month from December on. There is like a 50 game sample size of him shooting rather well. He topped out at 50/44/77 in April. He does that here and the contract is worth it.

After looking back at his numbers I was wrong. His overal numbers didn't really decline as a starter but remained largely the same (which I admit is a good thing). As a starter his poinst per minute declined a smidge while his assists and rebounds increased ever so slightly.

THJR's 3pt shooting did decline from January on but he made up for it with a quality and consistent fg%.

I don't think anyone meant THJR would be overpaid if he became his Dad from a value standpoint. I think people are just saying if ATL hard maxed at 48 mill (speculative) the Knicks would be compensating THJR in excess of 20 million. Therefore always making it an overpay. But at the end the day its all hypothetical so whatever.

I'm not a wiz with numbers but that's only a bit more than $5M per year, so since the MLE is more than that much each year now, are you really saving yourself cap room? Obviously it's about saving incrementally on each contract, to the point where your cap room adds up. But at least in this specific way, if you're over the cap, being at least $5M more over the cap shouldn't matter because the MLE is like $8M per year.

Again, not that confident in my analysis here. And if you save $3M-$5M on 12 contracts, now you've got a lot of room saved, in theory.

I was merely pointing out why some may view the contract as "excessive" regardless of the outcome.

With that said, math is not my strong suite either, but obviously saving 5m's on single contract does little for you. Now if it became an official policy of the Knicks to not overspend, the savings over the entire roster would be substantial as you alluded.

With so much uncertainty with the roster, I just felt the signing was in poor timing. If we are certain KP is a "max" like player and Frank/Wily are all-stars the contract wouldn't be a problem. THJR shouldn't be anymore than your 3rd best player on a playoff team unless he improves significantly. So from my perspective, the Knicks would ideally confirm they have there 1 and 2 before filling out the roster.

[FreeSpiritNY]

Melo makes excellent pies or something? The way people stick up for the man is hilarious.

Either one of four things on why people stick up for him

1.) Melo does what he wants so he has his band follow him and not have to listen to the coaches so it's easier year round and more fun. Think about that guy at the office who does what he wants so you start doing it and its really no longer work because its now just mess around time

2.)Melo actually is a good teammate


3.) people are afraid to admit they dont like playing with him because it could hurt there relationship with sponsors, the media will eat it up & also hurt there chances at anther contract.

4.) he actually has some friends? I mean there has been chances for lebron to recruit melo and get him on the team and we know if lebron really wants someone he gets him so why havent they played together yet?


Look at the Kobe situation.

[el13adnino]

This nadal vs muller match is fire !!!

[prolific96]

Timmy can't just say those are management decisions. I just play ball?

[FreeSpiritNY]

Timmy can't just say those are management decisions. I just play ball?

You would think since playing in the nba requires college these kids would be smarter.

[K_ick_God]

BTW the only reason that shammgod is even entertaining or flirting with the idea of supporting the THJ signing is that Phil got rid of him for a Bulls' player's son. The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

[MP4LIFE]

Steve Mills has tons of confidence in this move that he decided to no-show the press conference and release a one sentence statement in a press release. Silent Steve is going to do a lot of non-talking moving forward.

[K_ick_God]

After looking back at his numbers I was wrong. His overal numbers didn't really decline as a starter but remained largely the same (which I admit is a good thing). As a starter his poinst per minute declined a smidge while his assists and rebounds increased ever so slightly.

THJR's 3pt shooting did decline from January on but he made up for it with a quality and consistent fg%.

I don't think anyone meant THJR would be overpaid if he became his Dad from a value standpoint. I think people are just saying if ATL hard maxed at 48 mill (speculative) the Knicks would be compensating THJR in excess of 20 million. Therefore always making it an overpay. But at the end the day its all hypothetical so whatever.

I'm not a wiz with numbers but that's only a bit more than $5M per year, so since the MLE is more than that much each year now, are you really saving yourself cap room? Obviously it's about saving incrementally on each contract, to the point where your cap room adds up. But at least in this specific way, if you're over the cap, being at least $5M more over the cap shouldn't matter because the MLE is like $8M per year.

Again, not that confident in my analysis here. And if you save $3M-$5M on 12 contracts, now you've got a lot of room saved, in theory.

I was merely pointing out why some may view the contract as "excessive" regardless of the outcome.

With that said, math is not my strong suite either, but obviously saving 5m's on single contract does little for you. Now if it became an official policy of the Knicks to not overspend, the savings over the entire roster would be substantial as you alluded.

With so much uncertainty with the roster, I just felt the signing was in poor timing. If we are certain KP is a "max" like player and Frank/Wily are all-stars the contract wouldn't be a problem. THJR shouldn't be anymore than your 3rd best player on a playoff team unless he improves significantly. So from my perspective, the Knicks would ideally confirm they have there 1 and 2 before filling out the roster.

All of that seems fair.

I even misstated it just above -- the key is whether you're less than the MLE below the cap. But while that's key, it's far from everything -- father above the cap and farther you are from room and closer to the tax, losing exceptions, etc.

Also Jerian is Horace's nephew, not son.

[K_ick_God]

After looking back at his numbers I was wrong. His overal numbers didn't really decline as a starter but remained largely the same (which I admit is a good thing). As a starter his poinst per minute declined a smidge while his assists and rebounds increased ever so slightly.

THJR's 3pt shooting did decline from January on but he made up for it with a quality and consistent fg%.

I don't think anyone meant THJR would be overpaid if he became his Dad from a value standpoint. I think people are just saying if ATL hard maxed at 48 mill (speculative) the Knicks would be compensating THJR in excess of 20 million. Therefore always making it an overpay. But at the end the day its all hypothetical so whatever.

I'm not a wiz with numbers but that's only a bit more than $5M per year, so since the MLE is more than that much each year now, are you really saving yourself cap room? Obviously it's about saving incrementally on each contract, to the point where your cap room adds up. But at least in this specific way, if you're over the cap, being at least $5M more over the cap shouldn't matter because the MLE is like $8M per year.

Again, not that confident in my analysis here. And if you save $3M-$5M on 12 contracts, now you've got a lot of room saved, in theory.

I was merely pointing out why some may view the contract as "excessive" regardless of the outcome.

With that said, math is not my strong suite either, but obviously saving 5m's on single contract does little for you. Now if it became an official policy of the Knicks to not overspend, the savings over the entire roster would be substantial as you alluded.

With so much uncertainty with the roster, I just felt the signing was in poor timing. If we are certain KP is a "max" like player and Frank/Wily are all-stars the contract wouldn't be a problem. THJR shouldn't be anymore than your 3rd best player on a playoff team unless he improves significantly. So from my perspective, the Knicks would ideally confirm they have there 1 and 2 before filling out the roster.

All of that seems fair.

I even misstated it just above -- the key is whether you're less than the MLE below the cap. But while that's key, it's far from everything -- farther above the cap and farther you are from room and closer to the tax, losing exceptions, etc.

Also Jerian is Horace's nephew, not son.

[god shammgod]

BTW the only reason that shammgod is even entertaining or flirting with the idea of supporting the THJ signing is that Phil got rid of him for a Bulls' player's son. The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

i flirted with that idea ? i did nothing but complain about it. but it's done now. i hope it works out, i'll give him a chance. i just moved on to worrying about the next stupid thing they might do.

p.s. i know you're joking

[xsaberx]

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[SARGO127]

What # is he wearing

[EchelonNYK]

What # is he wearing

Lee will be traded. So he can grab his original #5 that he wore when he was previously here.