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[humanrefutation]

Not the high volume, but the high percent is there. Ersan is consistently above 40%.

If by "consistently" you mean 3 seasons in a 9 year career, sure.

[emunney]

Ersan's never come close to the combination of high volume at high percentages that Mirza has.

However Ersan can play basketball.

Telly get ball. Telly shoot. Telly then think about what restaurant to eat at the next day until Bucks get ball back on offense.

Telly sh*ts twice in game time

https://streamable.com/7chfz

[Fotis St]

Jazz offseason continues downhill...

Why do you say that? Even though they lost Hayward, I think they have had a really good offseason.

-Avoided a disaster Hill contract, and got Rubio for cheap.
-Traded up for Mitchell
-Jerebko for 2 years 8 mil is a steal, Thabo for 2 for 10 mil is solid, Udoh for 3 mil is a good buy low
- Inglis they overpaid tho

Agree with Bucksfan28 ... the only out of the door positive contract is the rookie's Mitchell. They got our guy, they did great on draft night. The rest of the contracts are just not bad. We should learn from them, we have signed too many bad contracts.
PS Agree Inglis is overpaid

[emunney]

@Sportando

The Los Angeles Lakers agreed to a deal with Alex Caruso, per sources

It's a 2 year 2-way, same as our guys got. Wow. Yep. We're bad at this.

[Bucksfan28]

Jazz offseason continues downhill...

Why do you say that? Even though they lost Hayward, I think they have had a really good offseason.

-Avoided a disaster Hill contract, and got Rubio for cheap.
-Traded up for Mitchell
-Jerebko for 2 years 8 mil is a steal, Thabo for 2 for 10 mil is solid, Udoh for 3 mil is a good buy low
- Inglis they overpaid tho

Read the Jerebko and Udoh dollar totals as per year salaries.

Guess that's not as bad. They're still just guys though, and could've used those slots on young potential instead.

[DingleJerry]

Not the high volume, but the high percent is there. Ersan is consistently above 40%.

If by "consistently" you mean 3 seasons in a 9 year career, sure.

Whoops, yea I had a little dyslexia and flip flopped FG and 3pt.

[Badgerlander]

The Lakers are signing Alex Caruso, their summer league sensation, to a two year deal. It'll be a two-way contract so he can also develop in the GLeague.

Ramona Shelburne, ESPN Senior Writer

[Ron Swanson]

Don't think the Jazz could do much else this offseason to be honest. Can't do a full reset with all the money they still have tied up in veteran players. I guess they could have done a full tear down around Mitchell/Gobert/Hood, but I actually think they may have dodged a bullet by not locking themselves into Hayward on a super-max. The Ingles deal was pretty bad though, no excuses there....

[Dellyhas2gfs]

Mirza only has two years left at 10.5 a year
Delly only costs 9.6 and can play along side Brogdon
Monroe and Hawes expire
Snell is a bit of overpay since I insist no one was going to pouch him and even if they did we could match
Henson is the only one that needs to go. Give out a first for a second. The draft is loaded in 2018

[coolhandluke121]

Take a few minutes and ask yourself how Mirza can score at the same rate with such drastically inferior percentages and almost no fta's. Then ask yourself if that closes the gap between him and Anderson or makes it wider.

Uhm BR does all the math for you with no guessing needed and breaks it down buy 100 possessions or per36 and the difference is negligible

You completely missed the point. Once again, how does a guy like Mirza manage to have only 2-3 fewer points per 36 or per 100 possessions with significantly inferior percentages across the board and about 40% fewer free throw attempts? You say it as though it's a good thing, but it's not at all. In fact, it's one of the most damning stats about him.

Spoiler:

He's a **** chucker of epic proportions. Makes Monta Ellis look like Nash. When the Bucks signed him, he literally had the highest rate of 3pa's per minute of playing time in NBA history. Higher than Allen, Miller, or Curry. He chucks up everything he touches no matter what the situation and disrupts the flow of the offense like few other players can. And as a result, he hits negligibly more 3's per 100 possessions despite over 2 extra attempts compared to Anderson, and there's your similar production. No thanks.

[coolhandluke121]

However Ersan can play basketball.

Telly get ball. Telly shoot. Telly then think about what restaurant to eat at the next day until Bucks get ball back on offense.

Telly sh*ts twice in game time

https://streamable.com/7chfz

Everybody make sure you listen to this if you haven't.

[HurricaneKid]

For all the talk about contracts out of control you can actually SEE the deals drying up.

Jerebko 2/8.2 >>>>>>>>>>> Mirza (at 60% less)
Ersan 6M >>>>>>>> Mirza (half the price)
Thabo 1/5.25M ~=/> Snell (half price, though Snell will be better in coming years)
Udoh 2/6.5 >>>>>>>>>>> Henson
Dedmon 2/14M >>>>>>>>>>> Henson

Sure wish we had $$$ now rather than pissing it away on Plums (still paying Hawes), Telly, and Delly. Simmons is going to go cheap too.

[FlagsFlyForever]

It doesn't help that Jason Kidd has no **** clue as to how to maximize Telly's skill set as a microwave scorer and floor-spacer off the bench. He needs to be paired in lineups with Giannis much more than he was last year. Just look at how he was used in PHX the year prior.

That's why all of our specific player/scheme conversation and debate on here is ultimately part of that "Nihilist Bucks" guy on twitter.

You can't have a front office acquire a specific guy when the coach doesn't utilize him. 18 chefs in the kitchen. No cohesive team philosophy and vision.

These excuses trying to pass blame onto Kidd or somebody else for Mirza's poor season don't fly. There is only one person to blame for Mirza's terrible season. The guy who couldn't hit his shots.


Percent of Mirza's three point attempts that were "wide open" (closest defender 6+ feet away):
Phoenix: 22.2%
Milwaukee: 26.7%

Mirza's three point percentage on "wide open" threes:
Phoenix: 45.1%
Milwaukee: 33.3%

[paulpressey25]

Don't think the Jazz could do much else this offseason to be honest. Can't do a full reset with all the money they still have tied up in veteran players. I guess they could have done a full tear down around Mitchell/Gobert/Hood, but I actually think they may have dodged a bullet by not locking themselves into Hayward on a super-max. The Ingles deal was pretty bad though, no excuses there....

When the Bucks or local media say "The Bucks have been competitive" uh no, they haven't.

Utah on the other hand is my poster child for a competitive and successful "non-contender". No matter how bad they get knocked, they seem to reload with promising players and coaches and coaching schemes that get them back to 50-wins. Agree they may have dodged a bullet on Hayward and are able to perhaps replace or exceed his star power with their #1 draft pick. Amazing.

[Pachinko_]

can't remember who on Lowe Post was saying that the Jazz have modeled themselves based on the Spurs organisation.
makes sense.

[Diggr14]

Ersan's never come close to the combination of high volume at high percentages that Mirza has.

However Ersan can play basketball.

Telly get ball. Telly shoot. Telly then think about what restaurant to eat at the next day until Bucks get ball back on offense.

PP nailed it. Telly declined a lot because Telly eat a lot. He was fat last season for what he had been.

Free Buffet at the Arts?

*edit never mind.. Henson had leftover Chipotle gift cards.

[crkone]

It doesn't help that Jason Kidd has no **** clue as to how to maximize Telly's skill set as a microwave scorer and floor-spacer off the bench. He needs to be paired in lineups with Giannis much more than he was last year. Just look at how he was used in PHX the year prior.

That's why all of our specific player/scheme conversation and debate on here is ultimately part of that "Nihilist Bucks" guy on twitter.

You can't have a front office acquire a specific guy when the coach doesn't utilize him. 18 chefs in the kitchen. No cohesive team philosophy and vision.

These excuses trying to pass blame onto Kidd or somebody else for Mirza's poor season don't fly. There is only one person to blame for Mirza's terrible season. The guy who couldn't hit his shots.


Percent of Mirza's three point attempts that were "wide open" (closest defender 6+ feet away):
Phoenix: 22.2%
Milwaukee: 26.7%

Mirza's three point percentage on "wide open" threes:
Phoenix: 45.1%
Milwaukee: 33.3%

Where did you get your data? I got this from below for last season.

http://stats.nba.com/players/shots-closest-defender/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CloseDefDistRange=6%2B%20Feet%20-%20Wide%20Open&TeamID=1610612749&sort=FG3A_FREQUENCY&dir=1

I have 19.4% wide open on 33.3% shooting last season. Same % on wide open shots as Giannis, lol. On open shots he took them 37.2% of the time at a 37.4% clip which was somewhat better but not what you'd expect from a gunner.

[paulpressey25]

PP nailed it. Telly declined a lot because Telly eat a lot. He was fat last season for what he had been.

Free Buffet at the Arts?

I actually wasn't even going for the out of shape angle with that comment. More along the lines that he's a useless basketball player on the defensive end and on offense he's got one skill. That said, your comment is 100% spot on. He certainly could use some slimming down and muscle tone.

[Ron Swanson]

Beasley killed the flow of the offense much more than Teletovic did last season. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that Kidd splitting the backup 3/4 minutes between those two resulted in some weird on/off numbers and skewed percentages. Yeah, a guy who you pay to be a shooter off the bench risks becoming inconsistent when you're giving him 20 minutes one game and then DNP-CD'ing him the next. 

With PHX, he had a consistent role and defined minute distribution. Coming from someone who thinks that complaining about rotations is BS power-whining 95% of the time (every fan base does it), it absolutely affects a guy whose sole purpose is to go out there and make shots in rhythm.

[emunney]

can't remember who on Lowe Post was saying that the Jazz have modeled themselves based on the Spurs organisation.
makes sense.

Lindsey is a Buford protege, worked for Carroll Dawson in Houston before that.