Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

[sushibear]

AND NOW THIS>>>>>>>>>>>> Report: Carmelo Anthony tells Knicks he does not want to come back to team
4 Comments
By Kurt HelinJul 18, 2017, 5:45 PM EDT

if this is true then things can get really ugly.

[Context]

The big question is what has more value....

Melo at 2 years 54 million, with a much stronger chance of winning a championship for the next two years...
or
Anderson at 3 years 60 million with a couple of first rounders and no chance of winning a championship

FIXED!

[louieOrr]

I don't see whats wrong with a Frye, Love str8 up for Melo

Love is 28 and does not have a no trade clause. He has value and would be an asset. We can get the picks we seek with him.
Fry expires after this year and would surely be a great mentor to our youth.

If my calculations are correct which they very well might not be

Melo Outgoing with trade kicker 30,180.324

Love and Frye incoming 30,063.262

Carmelo is more on the level Lebron needs in clutch playoff moments. They could be incredible together.

Lebron may want to go all in and request this happens

Love has more value that Melo and could get more back. If they trade Love for Melo they would need more than just Melo back in a deal.

It depends on how desperate they are to maximize what may be the last year of LeBron. I still think in those finals moments, you want Melo as opposed to Love. Does C, Lee for Shump tip the scale?

[Context]

AND NOW THIS>>>>>>>>>>>> Report: Carmelo Anthony tells Knicks he does not want to come back to team
4 Comments
By Kurt HelinJul 18, 2017, 5:45 PM EDT

and if im Mills- i say so what! too bad...

[HOF19]

If MELO does not IN ANY WAY want to be here .....Then other then trading him all other options are (because of this development) are completely blown out of the water.....Is there even 1 Knick fan on this planet that wants to keep a player who may HATE being here ?????????

[BeagleBoss]

Melo is under contract getting a lot of money so Perry and Mills shouldn't care if he wants out. If Melo really hates it here, he can easily expand his trade list or have his reps put more pressure on Morey to trade for him.

Melo might have a NTC but Perry and Mills have a WDHTTY aka We don't have to trade you.

[2010]

“Carmelo Anthony has made it clear to them, I want to go to Houston, I’m not interested in talking to you about being re-incorporated back into this New York roster,” Wojnarowski said.

“So what they’re trying to do… Steve Mills wouldn’t have ascended to this job in New York if he wasn’t politically savvy, he doesn’t want to get into a public war here with Carmelo Anthony, who they spent over a year trying to run out of town. Houston now is prepared that these talks could run through August, September, into the start of training camp.”

[Da_Mane_Man]

So you'd acquire someone to get the first round picks and then trade him using those first round picks (because that's what it will take, at the least)? Fantastic logic there. Wait...you want to get rid of Melo at all costs...I get it now. Also, if teams were lining up to take Anderson for 2 firsts (or if Houston was even offering 2 firsts to get rid of that horrid contract), a deal probably would have already been done.

why you mad though? its something i would do, im sure everyone on here has a different approach on it.

Spoiler:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1575104

I'm not mad, though. I simply don't understand the thinking of anyone who agrees with my quote that you just posted aside from one filled with pure disdain. That's all.

Thanks for the link.

Why would you need to use those same picks to get rid of him? Would we be in a position where we absolutely NEED that cap space in a couple of years? How? Are we going to miraculously make a run at some top free agents by then?

According to EVERYONE in the front office, we are going with a youth movement. That usually doesn't involve using a bunch of cap space on free agents (Mills said the THJ situation was uncommon). We are going to focus on developing our guys from within (again, directly from Mills' mouth). We don't need cap space in the immediate future. I know it's good to have flexibility, but we don't live in an ideal world. Sometimes you have to make tough choices. Melo needs to get off this team.

If we can get 2 first round picks from the Rockets, we should do it, even if we have to take on Anderson. Those picks will be HUGE because Houston can't trade any picks until 2020 I believe, which is when all their guys will be old and they will be rebuilding.

[Billy Goat]

Melo can go to Houston if he's willing to be bought out for zero dollars.

[ezmoney707]

“Carmelo Anthony has made it clear to them, I want to go to Houston, I’m not interested in talking to you about being re-incorporated back into this New York roster,” Wojnarowski said.

“So what they’re trying to do… Steve Mills wouldn’t have ascended to this job in New York if he wasn’t politically savvy, he doesn’t want to get into a public war here with Carmelo Anthony, who they spent over a year trying to run out of town. Houston now is prepared that these talks could run through August, September, into the start of training camp.”

Same info from the clip posted a few pages back earlier this afternoon . Just in case anyone was wondering.

[NBA Fan 1234]

why you mad though? its something i would do, im sure everyone on here has a different approach on it.

Spoiler:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1575104

I'm not mad, though. I simply don't understand the thinking of anyone who agrees with my quote that you just posted aside from one filled with pure disdain. That's all.

Thanks for the link.

Why would you need to use those same picks to get rid of him? Would we be in a position where we absolutely NEED that cap space in a couple of years? How? Are we going to miraculously make a run at some top free agents by then?

According to EVERYONE in the front office, we are going with a youth movement. That usually doesn't involve using a bunch of cap space on free agents (Mills said the THJ situation was uncommon). We are going to focus on developing our guys from within (again, directly from Mills' mouth). We don't need cap space in the immediate future. I know it's good to have flexibility, but we don't live in an ideal world. Sometimes you have to make tough choices. Melo needs to get off this team.

If we can get 2 first round picks from the Rockets, we should do it, even if we have to take on Anderson. Those picks will be HUGE because Houston can't trade any picks until 2020 I believe, which is when all their guys will be old and they will be rebuilding.

Anderson's contract is garbage. You can use cap space on young guys you want to see expand with in the core, as THJr. Anyways, it's not even about having maximum cap space to sign FAs - it's about having flexibility. Having the space to take on a Mozgov to get a guy like D Russ and things like that (what Philly did taking on bad deals to get picks). 2020 is 3 years away...Harden isn't going anywhere...the picks will be mid first round (15-20 range) at best, probably. I'm not taking on Anderson's contract unless we're getting compensation that justifies taking it on - meaning, more than just two picks. His deal is HORRIBLE AND we'd essentially be gifting them cap space, as I believe (currently, at least) that Paul and Melo end up leaving Houston at the end of the season.

[Knicksrule2k4]

If the front office doesn't get a trade they like, keep him. He can cry and not show up all he wants. It's only gonna cost him money if he doesn't show, which we know won't happen bc he loves $

[Polk377]

Melo is under contract getting a lot of money so Perry and Mills shouldn't care if he wants out. If Melo really hates it here, he can easily expand his trade list or have his reps put more pressure on Morey to trade for him.

Melo might have a NTC but Perry and Mills have a WDHTTY aka We don't have to trade you.

Bingo. If he wants to leave then he better expand his list. Mills and Perry have been really clear about what they want and that is young players and draft picks. Without either Houston and Cleavland can just dream about Melo.

[Da_Mane_Man]

I'm not mad, though. I simply don't understand the thinking of anyone who agrees with my quote that you just posted aside from one filled with pure disdain. That's all.

Thanks for the link.

Why would you need to use those same picks to get rid of him? Would we be in a position where we absolutely NEED that cap space in a couple of years? How? Are we going to miraculously make a run at some top free agents by then?

According to EVERYONE in the front office, we are going with a youth movement. That usually doesn't involve using a bunch of cap space on free agents (Mills said the THJ situation was uncommon). We are going to focus on developing our guys from within (again, directly from Mills' mouth). We don't need cap space in the immediate future. I know it's good to have flexibility, but we don't live in an ideal world. Sometimes you have to make tough choices. Melo needs to get off this team.

If we can get 2 first round picks from the Rockets, we should do it, even if we have to take on Anderson. Those picks will be HUGE because Houston can't trade any picks until 2020 I believe, which is when all their guys will be old and they will be rebuilding.

Anderson's contract is garbage. You can use cap space on young guys you want to see expand with in the core, as THJr. Anyways, it's not even about having maximum cap space to sign FAs - it's about having flexibility. Having the space to take on a Mozgov to get a guy like D Russ and things like that (what Philly did taking on bad deals to get picks). 2020 is 3 years away...Harden isn't going anywhere...the picks will be mid first round (15-20 range) at best, probably. I'm not taking on Anderson's contract unless we're getting compensation that justifies taking it on - meaning, more than just two picks. His deal is HORRIBLE AND we'd essentially be gifting them cap space, as I believe (currently, at least) that Paul and Melo end up leaving Houston at the end of the season.

So, Melo aside, you wouldn't take on Anderson for TWO 1st round picks right now?

[seren]

I am even fine with paying him and giving him an absence of leave. Tank would be strong that way.

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[K_ick_God]

Melo can go to Houston if he's willing to be bought out for zero dollars.

$1.00 with a $0.50 cap hit each year. Or we can stretch him and spread out the hit at $0.25 per year over 4.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Why would you need to use those same picks to get rid of him? Would we be in a position where we absolutely NEED that cap space in a couple of years? How? Are we going to miraculously make a run at some top free agents by then?

According to EVERYONE in the front office, we are going with a youth movement. That usually doesn't involve using a bunch of cap space on free agents (Mills said the THJ situation was uncommon). We are going to focus on developing our guys from within (again, directly from Mills' mouth). We don't need cap space in the immediate future. I know it's good to have flexibility, but we don't live in an ideal world. Sometimes you have to make tough choices. Melo needs to get off this team.

If we can get 2 first round picks from the Rockets, we should do it, even if we have to take on Anderson. Those picks will be HUGE because Houston can't trade any picks until 2020 I believe, which is when all their guys will be old and they will be rebuilding.

Anderson's contract is garbage. You can use cap space on young guys you want to see expand with in the core, as THJr. Anyways, it's not even about having maximum cap space to sign FAs - it's about having flexibility. Having the space to take on a Mozgov to get a guy like D Russ and things like that (what Philly did taking on bad deals to get picks). 2020 is 3 years away...Harden isn't going anywhere...the picks will be mid first round (15-20 range) at best, probably. I'm not taking on Anderson's contract unless we're getting compensation that justifies taking it on - meaning, more than just two picks. His deal is HORRIBLE AND we'd essentially be gifting them cap space, as I believe (currently, at least) that Paul and Melo end up leaving Houston at the end of the season.

So, Melo aside, you wouldn't take on Anderson for TWO 1st round picks right now?

It has nothing to do with Melo. That deal is horrible. We need more than just two low picks to take it on.

[K_ick_God]

If the front office doesn't get a trade they like, keep him. He can cry and not show up all he wants. It's only gonna cost him money if he doesn't show, which we know won't happen bc he loves $

If we give in and trade him for little or nothing now, it would really hurt the credibility we need to make further deals.

[Thugger HBC]

Anderson really has a bad deal and two 1st's would be a starting point for any deal involving him, but it would certainly take more.

Including Melo in such a deal is essentially giving melo away. That would be a very bad deal.

[Da_Mane_Man]

Anderson's contract is garbage. You can use cap space on young guys you want to see expand with in the core, as THJr. Anyways, it's not even about having maximum cap space to sign FAs - it's about having flexibility. Having the space to take on a Mozgov to get a guy like D Russ and things like that (what Philly did taking on bad deals to get picks). 2020 is 3 years away...Harden isn't going anywhere...the picks will be mid first round (15-20 range) at best, probably. I'm not taking on Anderson's contract unless we're getting compensation that justifies taking it on - meaning, more than just two picks. His deal is HORRIBLE AND we'd essentially be gifting them cap space, as I believe (currently, at least) that Paul and Melo end up leaving Houston at the end of the season.

So, Melo aside, you wouldn't take on Anderson for TWO 1st round picks right now?

It has nothing to do with Melo. That deal is horrible. We need more than just two low picks to take it on.

And then throw in the fact that we're giving them a legit 3rd superstar ... they should be giving us at least 5 first round picks!

idk man, where do you think we can get just value for him then? cause there are only 2 teams on his list.