Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

[ShazamDaShiznt]

What sucks is Lebron getting guys like Thompson huge contracts all with the intention of eventually leaving. This is why I don't desire Lebron on the Lakers. Miami is a ghost town after he left. Even Wade left Miami, and you would of thought that would never of happened...but that was the Lebron effect.

What the hell do you mean by ghost town?

probably some kid from slovakistan of central asia who's never been in south beach, miami fans still going strong no matter whos on their team

[Coachcavplaya23]

It is clear that Lebron only cares about his brand and image.

He left the Cavs by making a TV special out of it (LOL).

After winning a couple of championships, he left a stacked Miami team to peddle the "coming home narrative", in which he had the team gutted and built around his liking.

Now three years later, the team has peaked talent wise, has the highest payroll in the league and Lebron, the person WHO CONSTRUCTED the team, wont commit to playing there after this year.

And you guys are mad at Kyrie? LOLOL

I don't see how people have been angry at Kyrie. He has been a fan favorite. He has been generally quiet through his tenure. Other than playing with Dion at most. So has Kevin. Neither has ever deserved so much hate. It seems everything comes back to Lebron and he is the main reason Kyrie doesnt want to be there from the contract situation and not comitting long term. I feel bad for Kyrie and KL. Hopefully he moves on to a team and a fanbase that treats him well.

After Kyrie is traded, you and I are going to have a talk.

Why?

[KingDavid]

realk talk, feel sorry for a team that ends up having Kyrie as their franchise player

he dont play defense and apparently he wants more touches for him to jack up more shots, well that smells like a 9th 10th seed in the east, exactly where he been before the Andrew Wiggins draft and Lebron James arrival

He was very young on a very bad team that didn't draft all that well before LeBron got there. If he's on a properly built team he's a great player.

[jbk1234]

I don't see how people have been angry at Kyrie. He has been a fan favorite. He has been generally quiet through his tenure. Other than playing with Dion at most. So has Kevin. Neither has ever deserved so much hate. It seems everything comes back to Lebron and he is the main reason Kyrie doesnt want to be there from the contract situation and not comitting long term. I feel bad for Kyrie and KL. Hopefully he moves on to a team and a fanbase that treats him well.

After Kyrie is traded, you and I are going to have a talk.

Why?

Because this is a public forum & I don't want to impact his trade value.

[LouisLitt]

When did this become a Lebron vs Kobe thread? What is this, 2010?

Kobe fans are just salty that the conversation this past year was Lebron vs. MJ, because 99% of people who are objective have Lebron over Kobe.

Something like that doesn't just take one season to settle in. It will take them a few years to come to that realization.

[Jedi32]

When did this become a Lebron vs Kobe thread? What is this, 2010?

when some lebron fans got insecure about their idol.

[bulliedog8]

So Isaiah Thomas can be the best player for a ecfs team but Kyrie cant is what people are saying? People are looking at his first 2-3 years as an example that he cant lead a team? Yet everyone claims Wiggins/Towns, AD, etc are leaders when they are looked at as franchise changing players yet cant get their teams to the playoffs while in their first 2-3 years? hmmmmm. Once again, lebron wins. It is never his fault.

[ShazamDaShiznt]

When did this become a Lebron vs Kobe thread? What is this, 2010?

Kobe fans are just salty that the conversation this past year was Lebron vs. MJ, because 99% of people who are objective have Lebron over Kobe.

Something like that doesn't just take one season to settle in. It will take them a few years to come to that realization.

They are like the "veteran who needs to retire from game but he refuses" level trolls, their era was late 00s so now they are like "hey guys remember the year 2009, who used to be making all the garbage threads? Well we are back" C: these stans need to extinct, their hero is dead anyways
at least MJ stans united with the "old man yells at the cloud" fanbase, kobe stans need to do the same.

[Coachcavplaya23]

After Kyrie is traded, you and I are going to have a talk.

Why?

Because this is a public forum & I don't want to impact his trade value.

You don't need to find away to do that. I am sure Brian Windhorst will come up with something to report to do that for you.

[Chi]

Kyrie for Fultz & Okafor makes some sense...

[KingDavid]

When did this become a Lebron vs Kobe thread? What is this, 2010?

Kobe fans are just salty that the conversation this past year was Lebron vs. MJ, because 99% of people who are objective have Lebron over Kobe.

Something like that doesn't just take one season to settle in. It will take them a few years to come to that realization.

If he keeps losing, that will change.

[Prez]

I think Kyrie could lead a playoff team that is balanced with plenty of two way players and is well coached. He can be the best player on a good team, there's just a clear ceiling there and you'll have pretty much zero chance to seriously contend.

[InsanityKills]

Kyrie's gonna go back to leading his teams to the lottery.

Dude is nothing without LeBron.

[BeatDaCavs420]

When did this become a Lebron vs Kobe thread? What is this, 2010?

when some lebron fans got insecure about their idol.

[LivingLegend]

Why would he want to go to San Antonio where he would be be the second fiddle to Kawhai? I don't think his me first mentality wold bide well with Popovich either.

Kyrie's me first mentality I think is greatly being overblown here. He chose to play for K in college, he ask to be traded to Pop, Thibs or Riley/Spo. Does that sound like someone who only is focusing on me first? K is basically the college version of Pop (Army and Air Force guys), Thibs and Riley/Spo both run very tight ships as well. It appears Kyrie wants to be apart of a premier coaching system and not a system built around a player.

I also believe he wants out of Lebron's shadow. Again the system in Cleveland isnt really a system built from Lue, its a system that revolves around Lebron. Everything Cavs related revolves around Lebron. No matter what Kyrie does people still just say oh its because of Lebron. It wont be like that anywhere else, so when he says he wants to be the man, hes probably just saying he wants to go to a place where he wont be in the shadow of someone else no matter what he does.

Well thats funny because Kyries style is not at all any type of system friendly. Last time somebody tried to tell him to play in a system, it got Byron Scott, Mike Brown and David Blatt fired when they tried to tell him to run the offense with passing more as the PG. When LeBron came and later Lue got the job, it was basically a freestyle iso heavy offense featured around Kyries scoring and not passing or setting up plays.

[KingDavid]

Why would he want to go to San Antonio where he would be be the second fiddle to Kawhai? I don't think his me first mentality wold bide well with Popovich either.

Kyrie's me first mentality I think is greatly being overblown here. He chose to play for K in college, he ask to be traded to Pop, Thibs or Riley/Spo. Does that sound like someone who only is focusing on me first? K is basically the college version of Pop (Army and Air Force guys), Thibs and Riley/Spo both run very tight ships as well. It appears Kyrie wants to be apart of a premier coaching system and not a system built around a player.

I also believe he wants out of Lebron's shadow. Again the system in Cleveland isnt really a system built from Lue, its a system that revolves around Lebron. Everything Cavs related revolves around Lebron. No matter what Kyrie does people still just say oh its because of Lebron. It wont be like that anywhere else, so when he says he wants to be the man, hes probably just saying he wants to go to a place where he wont be in the shadow of someone else no matter what he does.

Well thats funny because Kyries style is not at all any type of system friendly. Last time somebody tried to tell him to play in a system, it got Byron Scott, Mike Brown and David Blatt fired when they tried to tell him to run the offense with passing more as the PG. When LeBron came and later Lue got the job, it was basically a freestyle iso heavy offense featured around Kyries scoring and not passing or setting up plays.

He wasn't the mvp of the Olympic team? I don't remember, what was his role there and how did he look?

[LivingLegend]

Kyrie's gonna go back to leading his teams to the lottery.

Dude is nothing without LeBron.

Im not going to go that far because he is crazy talented, but his style of game does not, ever, lend himself to being a #1 option on a really good team. He is simply not versatile enough outside of scoring. It does however feel like he essentially wants to become Lillard and be the #1 option on a team thats fighting for the 7th or 8 seed every year.

Thats why Im saying trade him to Sacramento for Fox + more assets

[KingDavid]

I think Kyrie could lead a playoff team that is balanced with plenty of two way players and is well coached. He can be the best player on a good team, there's just a clear ceiling there and you'll have pretty much zero chance to seriously contend.

Weird to read this from a Celtics fan. You don't think Kyrie is capable of leading your team last year like IT?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

After Kyrie is traded, you and I are going to have a talk.

Why?

Because this is a public forum & I don't want to impact his trade value.

Sounds juicy

[Duke4life831]

Why would he want to go to San Antonio where he would be be the second fiddle to Kawhai? I don't think his me first mentality wold bide well with Popovich either.

Kyrie's me first mentality I think is greatly being overblown here. He chose to play for K in college, he ask to be traded to Pop, Thibs or Riley/Spo. Does that sound like someone who only is focusing on me first? K is basically the college version of Pop (Army and Air Force guys), Thibs and Riley/Spo both run very tight ships as well. It appears Kyrie wants to be apart of a premier coaching system and not a system built around a player.

I also believe he wants out of Lebron's shadow. Again the system in Cleveland isnt really a system built from Lue, its a system that revolves around Lebron. Everything Cavs related revolves around Lebron. No matter what Kyrie does people still just say oh its because of Lebron. It wont be like that anywhere else, so when he says he wants to be the man, hes probably just saying he wants to go to a place where he wont be in the shadow of someone else no matter what he does.

Well thats funny because Kyries style is not at all any type of system friendly. Last time somebody tried to tell him to play in a system, it got Byron Scott, Mike Brown and David Blatt fired when they tried to tell him to run the offense with passing more as the PG. When LeBron came and later Lue got the job, it was basically a freestyle iso heavy offense featured around Kyries scoring and not passing or setting up plays.

Are you just rewriting history or something? Byron Scott got fired because hes a horrible head coach. The Mike Brown 2nd time around was a joke from the start. And you really think Kyrie is the guy that got Blatt fired? Really it was Kyrie who did it, not the biggest star in the NBA constantly disrespecting and questioning Blatt publicly all season? And Cleveland's offense with Lue featured around Kyrie? Its like youre purposely avoiding the giant elephant in the room here.

You say he cant be a system friendly player, yet he chose to play for K and Duke where K is the definition of a system coach, he was the MVP of the FIBA world championships with guys like Curry, Harden, AD and Cousins on the team. He was the starter of the Olympic team this past Olympics.